Space force

[wdmso]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/579891713...#sp=show-clips


when is enough a enough seriously

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

http://video.foxnews.com/v/579891713...#sp=show-clips


when is enough a enough seriously

you'd think the moonbats would be in favor

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

you'd think the moonbats would be in favor

They’re just upset because they didn’t think of it first

All the Trekkies are conflicted now
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[Nebe]

Wasn’t th starship troopers part of space force ?
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[Sea Dangles]

Pioneering
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pioneering
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Pushing and expanding the limits of scientific knowledge, is of no value. At least, not unless a democrat thought of it first.

[JohnR]

Far be it for anyone to break it down as a worthy consideration - ya know because Trump said it so it must be bad therefore we are required to near jerk to the opposite viewpoint.

Well, a couple weeks ago a pretty smart guy when it comes to NatSec stuff & the re-emerging Great Power Competition penned this.

So before all y'all trash, read:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...rity-interest/

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Far be it for anyone to break it down as a worthy consideration - ya know because Trump said it so it must be bad therefore we are required to near jerk to the opposite viewpoint.

Well, a couple weeks ago a pretty smart guy when it comes to NatSec stuff & the re-emerging Great Power Competition penned this.

So before all y'all trash, read:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...rity-interest/

very fishy wouldn't you say

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

They penned this also
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ing-dictators/
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About as dumb a false equivalency as you've stated, IMO. Shall we go through the instances where NYT is right or wrong? The Atlantic?

Jerry Hendrix is a pretty smart policy wonk and a recognized expert. You probably would have been OK with it were it penned on Mother Jones, though. Right?

Originally Posted by wdmso

very fishy wouldn't you say

No. Please do tell us what you mean.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pushing and expanding the limits of scientific knowledge, is of no value. At least, not unless a democrat thought of it first.

The republican party doesn't believe in scientific knowledge you of all people should know that.. and seems in accounting as well... hows he going to pay for it ???

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The republican party doesn't believe in scientific knowledge you of all people should know that.. and seems in accounting as well... hows he going to pay for it ???

Who says we don’t like science? How about the science of what goes on in the womb, which side abandons science for ideology in that case?

We can pay for it by switching all public employees from stupid fat pensions to self funded 401ks like everyone else did over 20 years ago. There’s your accounting lesson.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Who says we don’t like science? How about the science of what goes on in the womb, which side abandons science for ideology in that case?

We can pay for it by switching all public employees from stupid fat pensions to self funded 401ks like everyone else did over 20 years ago. There’s your accounting lesson.
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It always about abortion but once their born your tune changes

You sound like a socialist wanting to take bread off another's table because you don't have what they have....

[Pete F.]

They penned this also
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ing-dictators/
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[Cool Beans]

I went down to the recruiter to sign up, but saw Spence in line ahead of me and decided maybe I will wait on joining the Space Force.

On a more serious note, I think, the more crazy stuff he throws out there the more the media and left don't see what he is actually doing. He's like a magician drawing attention away from his hand that holds the coin. If the democrats don't keep a careful eye on what is happening before they know it they will see a new immigration policy sneak by them, while they are laughing at the Space Force.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

I went down to the recruiter to sign up, but saw Spence in line ahead of me and decided maybe I will wait on joining the Space Force.

On a more serious note, I think, the more crazy stuff he throws out there the more the media and left don't see what he is actually doing. He's like a magician drawing attention away from his hand that holds the coin. If the democrats don't keep a careful eye on what is happening before they know it they will see a new immigration policy sneak by them, while they are laughing at the Space Force.

It's scary that you don't have an issue with the POTUS acting in such a manner

[spence]

Did anyone actually watch Trump’s announcement?
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[Pete F.]

The problem is that once again Trump doesn't understand that he does not rule.
He cannot create anything, he needs Congress to do it.
I will admit that I don't understand why we need NASA, Air Force and Space Force as separate entities. They seem to be redundant and on the development and operations sides the personnel would be very similar.

[Nebe]

Spacewaffen special wooops.
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[Got Stripers]

Beam me up Scotty
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[zimmy]

I know this is redundant... But it isn't that simple. Depends on lots of other things, like your occupation. If you are a plumber in CT, average salary is 61000 a year and in New Hampshire it is 53000 a year. Your house costs more here, but in the end you have a house that is worth more. There are too many variables to have a valid conclusion based on one single variable. Based on your math skills, you already know that
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I know this is redundant... But it isn't that simple. Depends on lots of other things, like your occupation. If you are a plumber in CT, average salary is 61000 a year and in New Hampshire it is 53000 a year. Your house costs more here, but in the end you have a house that is worth more. There are too many variables to have a valid conclusion based on one single variable. Based on your math skills, you already know that
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Of course the exact savings depends on many things. I did the research. Like many people, thanks to telecommuting, I can keep my same job at the same exact salary, and move to NH. I know what I paid in state income tax, I have a really good estimate what I paid in state sales tax, I can look at comparable houses to see what the change in property tax would be. I can, and did, also talk to people I know who moved from CT to NH, and every single one of them told me they saved more than expected, because they didn't know they'd also save on car tax, gas tax, electricity tax, etc.

There is some speculation involved. All of the math, and every speck of common sense, suggests that massive tax hikes are coming in CT, which will stifle real estate appreciation.

And the University of NH is currently $7,000 a year less for in state residents, than UCONN is. For my 3 kids, that's another 84k in my pocket. And that ignores that UCONN just announced tuition will increase 31% in the next 4 years.

I looked at way more than one variable,

I'm not wrong, no chance. I can't tell you exactly what I'd save in 20 years, but I know it would be more than 200k. In my pocket.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The problem is that once again Trump doesn't understand that he does not rule.
He cannot create anything, he needs Congress to do it.

He can create many things, he can executive order many things. If you want them to stick then you need to go through Congress. As we see with a lot of O's great achievements with the Pen, the current administration can undo them. If it is good for the country, have Congress pass it into law.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I will admit that I don't understand why we need NASA, Air Force and Space Force as separate entities. They seem to be redundant and on the development and operations sides the personnel would be very similar.

NASA should keep up with peaceful exploration, the military in space will need to break things, or prevent other nation states from breaking ours. There was once a great stride in non-militarization of space, we are behind. It will cost us big if there is a peer level conflict. It ain't pretty but it is fact. The US, for all our many faulkts and warts, are FAR better on the world stage than RUS/PRC

Originally Posted by wdmso

I guess cost of living isn't a consideration in your eyes

Very much so, and it is reflected in our taxes. You pay taxes? Funny how all those backwards, redneck places can provide good services for their citizens, and we pay through the nose and have billions in unfunded liabilities.

I guess your state & towns living within their means isn't a consideration in your eyes.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

NASA should keep up with peaceful exploration, the military in space will need to break things, or prevent other nation states from breaking ours. There was once a great stride in non-militarization of space, we are behind. It will cost us big if there is a peer level conflict. It ain't pretty but it is fact. The US, for all our many faulkts and warts, are FAR better on the world stage than RUS/PRC

You do realize this whole thing is just another diversion from all the terrible Trump news he's getting pummeled with right?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

You do realize this whole thing is just another diversion from all the terrible Trump news he's getting pummeled with right?

6/19/2018

"Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.

The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.

Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.

The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term."

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm not wrong, no chance. I can't tell you exactly what I'd save in 20 years, but I know it would be more than 200k. In my pocket.

Total tax burden CT is about 12.6%, nh, 7.9%. https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...s-publications

You would save 4.7% per year, ignoring any differences in federal deductions. To save 200k over 20 years at 4.7% means you would have an annual income over those 20 years of $212,766. You are doing very well. You can afford another kid or two. Unless your math is wrong, but no chance of that.
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By the way Jim, a plumber or most other workers who aren't telecommuting are likely going to end up better off here in CT where salaries are higher. They will have more net income after taxes, more retirement savings, etc.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Total tax burden CT is about 12.6%, nh, 7.9%. https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...s-publications

You would save 4.7% per year, ignoring any differences in federal deductions. To save 200k over 20 years at 4.7% means you would have an annual income over those 20 years of $212,766. You are doing very well. You can afford another kid or two. Unless your math is wrong, but no chance of that.
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He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit.

Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference ; )

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit.

Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference ; )

His math there is even more astounding. UConn tuition and fees is $28604, UNH is $28562. Not sure that adds up to 84k, but...
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit.

Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference ; )

"He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit."

Correct. It would be more than $250k over 20 years, and that's based on today. CT will get more expensive relative to NH.

"Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference"

There is that. We love to ski. I'd move to a town very close to Lake Sunapee, beautiful lake in the summer, great skiing in the winter. Top notch public schools.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Total tax burden CT is about 12.6%, nh, 7.9%. https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...s-publications

You would save 4.7% per year, ignoring any differences in federal deductions. To save 200k over 20 years at 4.7% means you would have an annual income over those 20 years of $212,766. You are doing very well. You can afford another kid or two. Unless your math is wrong, but no chance of that.
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By the way Jim, a plumber or most other workers who aren't telecommuting are likely going to end up better off here in CT where salaries are higher. They will have more net income after taxes, more retirement savings, etc.

You quoted average percentages. I looked at the exact percentages that apply in my individual case (property taxes, for example, vary widely by town). Which is more pertinent, the average, or what actually applies to me?

Also, thanks to liberalism, CT I sfacing projected deficits next year of $4 billion, with total unfunded debt of $75 billion (works out to exactly $25,000 for every human being in the state..so taxes will continue to go up)

And the capping of federal deductions for state/local taxes. also makes NH more attractive.

I'm not wrong when I say there are far cheaper places to live, which offer a great quality o flife. You want to make it wrong, because you can't bring yourself to admit that conservative states have figured out how to offer a good quality of life with low taxes, and liberal states cannot pull that off. Huge numbers of New Englanders are moving to these states, especially the Carolinas, Florida, GA, TX. That is fact.

If your agenda cannot withstand the recognition of irrefutable, empirical evidence, you may want to re-think your agenda.

The CT state income tax is around 5% or so, sales tax is 6.5%. Imagine if you got back 5% of very dollar you made, and 6.5% of every dollar you spent, plus cheaper gas tax, electricity tax, car tax, cheaper public university. You deny that's a lot of money over a lifetime?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You quoted average percentages. I looked at the exact percentages that apply in my individual case (property taxes, for example, vary widely by town). Which is more pertinent, the average, or what actually applies to me?

I don't know where you live in CT, but you in general have been making stuff up based on how you feel, not real data. I really hope it isn't true that you do a job that involves numbers. Maybe you would save some money moving to New Hampshire, but your case is a very specific case of a persone who "telecomutes." 250K is an absolute bs lie unless you are in the million plus salary range and based on the number skills and analysis you put out here, there is no way that is the case. That is unless someone gave you a small loan of a million dollars to start a business back int he 1980's. New Hampshire has taxes. They don't have income tax so they make up for it with other taxes. They have to pay for stuff. Their state university is almost identical, if not higher than UCONN. Stop misinterpreting or making things up than pretending I am off on this.