Your Stable Genius isn’t Racist

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.;1170281
Silly boy, I believe all Americans have the right to a political voice.

Trump doesn’t, as evidenced in his speech and his response to Grahams “criticism”.



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I don't think Trump said that all Americans do not have a right to a political voice. Or any other voice, for that matter. This appears to be another one of your many, many lies re Trump.
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“I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.”

I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do.

Sounds reasonable (acceptable, you seem to place yourself in some position of moral judge who accepts or doesn't). Lindsay also said “We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists,” “They hate Israel. They hate our own country. They’re calling the guards along our border — Border Patrol agents — concentration camp guards. They accuse people who support Israel of doing it for the Benjamins. They’re anti-Semitic. They’re anti-America."

Do you find that "acceptable"?

AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country.

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.
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Yessir judge PeteF, you accept your verdict that Trump claims more than he deserves. In what universe are your incessant anti-Trump comments more "acceptable" than Trump's?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

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if anything, immigrants who come
here legally and become citizens, are better citizens, because unlike many of us, they don’t take the beauty and opportunity of this place for granted. they work hard, do the right things, and view education as a gift from god, many of them send their kids, first generation born here, to college.

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yup...love legal immigration...I believe we have the highest percentage of immigrants on earth...and....I've repeatedly offered to keep two illegal immigrants for every 1 democrat we can deport

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m not defending trump. i’ll go very slowly here, please try to follow the bouncing ball.

i asked if its racist to say that somalia is a dysfunctional country. ( answer- it’s not racist, because it is in fact a terrible place).

you said that question isn’t relevant.

i said it is relevant because it’s a part of his tweet that he’s getting slammed for.
The tweet is below,please point out where, read slowly if you need to

now you say i’m defending him.

it was a stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.

I would say the words of a Xenophobic Bigot might be more appropriate to describe trump, here's a link to a dictionary
https://www.dictionary.com/

and the more i think about it, the less of a problem i have, with telling 4 hens who clearly hate everything this country was founded upon, to get lost if they hate it that much. he shouldn’t have said go back where you came from, but if he said “you obviously hate everything the country is and stands for, so i have good news for you, you are free to leave”, id have been ok with that.

Odd that they would work to win an election to a post in a government that you claim they hate. Try this on for size: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself, it's the definition of bigot.

AOC is too stupid to be dangerous, she’s a harmless punchline, who i believe is actually doing more good for the GOP than could be done by any republican who could ever win that district.

Omar is a very different animal. a reporter asked her if she would
condemn the antifa terrorist attack at an ICE facility he tried to incinerate, and she refused to condemn it, and i’m not making that up. i think she wears a diaper on her head because she has sh*t for brains. that one is a manchurian candidate who loathes the country that took her in. she is scary. when you can’t condemn an obvious act of domestic terrorism, you have no business being in congress.
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If Omar is so evil and powerful as you claim, perhaps she will be impeached. More likely after this term she will fade into history as a sentence or two. You do understand that she is one of 435 members of the House, together with the other 3 Trump refers to they are less than 1%. Lot's of opportunity for them to actually do anything. You should be scared. Hopefully they will do a good job of constituent service.
I've heard Trump called a Manchurian Candidate also, that scares me far more and there is circumstantial evidence that points to it being true.

Trumps tweet
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

[Pete F.]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.;1170281
Silly boy, I believe all Americans have the right to a political voice.

Trump doesn’t, as evidenced in his speech and his response to Grahams “criticism”.



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I don't think Trump said that all Americans do not have a right to a political voice. Or any other voice, for that matter. This appears to be another one of your many, many lies re Trump.
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“I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.”

I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do.

Sounds reasonable (acceptable, you seem to place yourself in some position of moral judge who accepts or doesn't). Lindsay also said “We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists,” “They hate Israel. They hate our own country. They’re calling the guards along our border — Border Patrol agents — concentration camp guards. They accuse people who support Israel of doing it for the Benjamins. They’re anti-Semitic. They’re anti-America."

Do you find that "acceptable"?
Look where it came from


AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country.
Did I say he did?

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.
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Originally Posted by detbuch

Yessir judge PeteF, you accept your verdict that Trump claims more than he deserves. In what universe are your incessant anti-Trump comments more "acceptable" than Trump's?

Quite the "bully pulpit" I have here, isn't it?

[Jim in CT]

Thoughtless liberals say Trump is a "xenophobe".

Miriam-Webster definition of xenophobe: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin

trump is married to a foreigner. So he hates foreigners, but is married to one?

This is about as stupid, as the left saying that John McCain, who adopted a poor black girl, was a racist. It was world-class stupid, but it didn't stop Obama and the media from saying so.

These people are so thoughtless and demonstrably wrong at every turn, it's breathtaking.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Thoughtless liberals say Trump is a "xenophobe".

Miriam-Webster definition of xenophobe: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin

trump is married to a foreigner. So he hates foreigners, but is married to one?

This is about as stupid, as the left saying that John McCain, who adopted a poor black girl, was a racist. It was world-class stupid, but it didn't stop Obama and the media from saying so.

These people are so thoughtless and demonstrably wrong at every turn, it's breathtaking.

Take a breath, Jim

While I'm glad that you have accepted that Trump is a bigot, as usual you've jumped on something that justifies the leader you acclaim's behavior.

Here's something that explains a little more about common usage and understanding.
The terms xenophobia and racism often overlap, but differ in how the latter encompasses prejudice based on physical characteristics while the former is generally centered on behavior based on the notion of a specified people being adverse to the culture or nation.

[Pete F.]

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Would @realDonaldTrump ever tell a white immigrant - whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ generation - to "go back to your country"? No. That's why the comments were racist and unacceptable.

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[PaulS]

I think some may not understand why telling an African American to go back to your country is racist.

[The Dad Fisherman]

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Would @realDonaldTrump ever tell a white immigrant - whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ generation - to "go back to your country"? No. That's why the comments were racist and unacceptable.

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AOC and Tlaib are white, I know they like to throw that PoC term around alot but....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m not defending trump. i’ll go very slowly here, please try to follow the bouncing ball.

i asked if its racist to say that somalia is a dysfunctional country. ( answer- it’s not racist, because it is in fact a terrible place).

you said that question isn’t relevant.

i said it is relevant because it’s a part of his tweet that he’s getting slammed for.

now you say i’m defending him.

it was a stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.

and the more i think about it, the less of a problem i have, with telling 4 hens who clearly hate everything this country was founded upon, to get lost if they hate it that much. he shouldn’t have said go back where you came from, but if he said “you obviously hate everything the country is and stands for, so i have good news for you, you are free to leave”, id have been ok with that.

AOC is too stupid to be dangerous, she’s a harmless punchline, who i believe is actually doing more good for the GOP than could be done by any republican who could
ever win that district.

Omar is a very different animal. a reporter asked her if she would
condemn the antifa terrorist attack at an ICE facility he tried to incinerate, and she refused to condemn it, and i’m not making that up. that one is a manchurian candidate who loathes the country that took her in. she is scary. when you can’t condemn an obvious act of domestic terrorism, you have no business being in congress.
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again the denial is epic ... its amazing in this entire Trump tweet storm somalia is a dysfunctional country is what your mounting your defense of Trump on (stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.) then go on the blame the victim tour LOL

you need to re read some history on that phrase "go home to where you came from" its not as benign as you or trump are trying to suggest .... and any republican who also see's it as Racist get dismissed as RINOS ....

But obama was called divider & chief what does that make Trump

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think some may not understand why telling an African American to go back to your country is racist.

you’re right. i dont see why it’s racist, he didn’t mention their color, and as you guys have pointed out, trump has a long history of being a vindictive baby to everyone who disagrees with him, regardless of color.

put it this way, if they were all white women from albania, do you have any reason to believe he wouldn’t have said the same thing?

it can only be racist, if his reaction was triggered by their race. i believe his reaction had nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with the fact that he can’t handle criticism.

Paul, is it always racism, when a white person treats a black person poorly? can it ever just be garden variety jerkiness?

despite what liberals clearly believe, it is possible to be obnoxious to a black person, and not be a racist, especially if one is equally obnoxious across the racial spectrum.


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

But obama was called divider & chief what does that make Trump

they were both jerks who were divisive. trump is
much more overtly obnoxious and boorish, but obama also despised his adversaries. No one sits in rev wright’s church for decades and calls him their spiritual advisor, without buying into that racist bile.

not denying anything, except your notion the tweet was racist. what is your proof that his tweet has
anything to do with their race? isn’t trump a vulgar jerk to everyone who attacks him?

JUST BECAUSE they aren’t white, doesn’t mean race played a role. To liberals obsessed with race baiting, the presence of non whites is enough to conclude there was racism. that’s horsesh*t.
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[PaulS]

Telling Blacks to leave this country has been a racist statement for many years so to Blacks it is a loaded statement. Google the phrase and see how blacks and Latinos have been taunted by it for years.

"Americans as early as the founding generation believed whiteness was a prerequisite for the exercise of republican virtue. Before the Civil War, there was a decades-long movement to send free and freed blacks back to Africa based on the theory that black people were unfit for and incompatible with democratic life. America’s most restrictive immigration laws were rooted in the idea this was, as the popular 19th-century phrase had it, a “white man’s country,” inherently threatened by the presence of nonwhites and non-Anglo-Saxons, not to mention women."

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re right. i dont see why it’s racist, he didn’t mention their color, and as you guys have pointed out, trump has a long history of being a vindictive baby to everyone who disagrees with him, regardless of color.

put it this way, if they were all white women from albania, do you have any reason to believe he wouldn’t have said the same thing?

it can only be racist, if his reaction was triggered by their race. i believe his reaction had nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with the fact that he can’t handle criticism.

Paul, is it always racism, when a white person treats a black person poorly? can it ever just be garden variety jerkiness? of course it could be a jerk statement but if you don't love this country, then go back to your country is a loaded statement to blacks - not to me - to blacks. Just like telling me I'm acting like a monkey isn't that big of a deal to me to but to a black it is.

despite what liberals clearly believe, it is possible to be obnoxious to a black person, and not be a racist, especially if one is equally obnoxious across the racial spectrum.


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[PaulS]

Shelley Jackson was 7 years old the first time she heard it.

In the early 1970s, Ms. Jackson was among a group of 40 black children who were bused from one side of Los Angeles to integrate a majority-white school across town. One day, a playground squabble ended in a white classmate telling her to go back to Africa.

“That day was the first day that I became aware that maybe we weren’t supposed to be there,” Ms. Jackson, who was born in California, said in an interview, “or that wasn’t our place.”

On Sunday, President Trump used a version of a well-worn insult to tell four congresswomen to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.” All but one are American-born, but all are women of color.

The president’s words reflected a love-it-or-leave-it sentiment that experts say has animated a sense of xenophobia since the dawn of the republic.

But fresh examples persist. Along with more than 4,800 other people who wrote to The New York Times to share their own experiences with the phrase in the hours since Mr. Trump wrote it on Twitter, Ms. Jackson said his words served as a cutting reminder for scores of people who had encountered some version of that phrase throughout their lives, usually when they were speaking out in predominantly white spaces.

“It’s like having a cold glass of water thrown in your face,” Ms. Jackson said, adding that she feels Mr. Trump has emboldened a culture where “you get a pass now to just say the things you only thought before.”

Those who study language and rhetoric say the president’s “go back” comments — or, at least, the sentiment behind them — have roots beginning as far back as the 1600s, when dissidents were banished from American colonies for advocating total religious freedom. Later, a set of laws passed in 1798 allowed the deportation of noncitizens who were considered dangerous, were from hostile nations or had criticized the federal government.

Amos Kiewe, who studies rhetoric at Syracuse University, guessed that the president’s tweet was most likely meant to sow divisions in the Democratic Party — and perhaps kick-start another news cycle that reporters would breathlessly follow — but that it had the side effect of surfacing a phrase with a history that is particularly racially divisive.

“There has always been this xenophobia, fear of the other,” Mr. Kiewe said, “the foreigner, the person who looks different. It has hit different minorities for many decades.”

It was there in 1882, when the Chinese Exclusion Act sought to curb the number of Chinese workers and families entering the United States to find day-labor work, from building railroads to doing laundry. And it was there in the 1840s, when anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States led to the creation of a nativist political party designed to weed out foreign influence.

One of the prime examples of the “go back” sentiment has roots in the American Colonization Society, a white-led organization that sought to send freed slaves back to Africa. Fodei Batty, an assistant professor of political science at Quinnipiac University, wrote in a 2016 Washington Post analysis that some freed slaves went willingly because they were “disillusioned with the prospects of racial equality in America,” while others who wanted to stay argued that the effort to resettle slaves was a thinly veiled way to purge the United States of black people.

Descendants of those who stayed, Mr. Batty said in an interview, are now familiar with the sort of knee-jerk “go back” slur meant to immediately single out someone from a group where one trait — usually whiteness — is the default.

“You’re making this claim only to adopt a sense of place,” Mr. Batty said, “to put someone in a sense of place and give a sense of the other, that someone is different, without even having an understanding of the implications of those words.”

For African-Americans, the idea of returning to Africa, originally advocated by some whites as a better alternative than servitude, now persists as an angry slur. Outside a Trump rally in Cleveland in 2016, a man was filmed shouting “go back to Africa” at a black woman who was there to protest Mr. Trump.

“Y’all brought us here,” the woman retorted.

From the 4,800 responses The Times received, a common theme seemed to be encountering the slur when speaking up in white spaces, with the targets not limited to African-Americans. Samantha Edwards, a 47-year-old administrative assistant who grew up in Las Vegas, also wrote to The Times to share her story.

In the mid-1990s, she said she and her mother were chased out of a restaurant by two white men who screamed at them to “go back to Mexico.” She said she and her mother had been speaking together in English before the men chased them. Ms. Edwards, who was born in the United States but is of Mexican descent, said her parents avoided teaching her Spanish so she could avoid some of the discrimination they felt.

“It’s frustrating to have a leader of your own country talking like that,” Ms. Edwards said, referring to Mr. Trump. “He’s supposed to represent all of us and he’s not.”

Alanna Daniels, a 33-year-old business analyst from Waco, Tex., said that she often heard different variations of the taunt as a child, depending on which country people thought she was from. Ms. Daniels, who is mixed-race American with a white mother and a black father, said Mr. Trump’s tweet reflected back a version of a “kindergarten, exasperated” insult she has heard throughout her life.

She highlighted the irony that a president who has spent much of his campaign and presidency criticizing his country, often referring to it as a “laughingstock,” is turning that argument back on four congresswomen who have criticized it for other reasons.

“It was almost him saying that ‘this discourse is not for you,’” Ms. Daniels said. “It was almost saying ‘this isn’t yours, you have no skin in the game — literally.’”

On Monday, speaking at a Made in America event showcasing American-made sandals, hot sauce and motorcycles at the White House, Mr. Trump defended himself against assertions that what he said was racist, and that white nationalists were finding common ground with him.

“It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me,” Mr. Trump said. “All I’m saying is that if they want to leave they can leave. It doesn’t say leave forever.”

[Jim in CT]

Paul, i never said it’s never been used in a racist context, i’m talking about this case. i
live in CT, and i often about our imploding economy, and i cant tell you how many liberals have said to me, “if you don’t like it here, leave.”. this is similar to that.

you’re saying trumps insinuation must be the same insinuation that someone else made when using similar language. that’s funny, because when AOC referred to detention centers as concentration camps and she said “never again”, all the liberals claimed
that she didn’t mean nazi concentration camps, even though the phrase “never again” is a reference to the holicaust.

i have no doubt he’d have said the same thing to 4 white women from albania. i can’t prove it, you can’t disprove it.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Paul, i never said it’s never been used in a racist context, i’m talking about this case. i
live in CT, and i often about our imploding economy, and i cant tell you how many liberals have said to me, “if you don’t like it here, leave.”. this is similar to that.Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

and that statement means nothing to you bc there has never been a theory or that it has been used by certain people (racists) that you as a white male being in CT is illegitimate - that is the difference.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

and that statement means nothing to you bc there has never been a theory or that it has been used by certain people (racists) that you as a white male being in CT is illegitimate - that is the difference.

I know it's different, which is why I said the two were similar, not identical.

Paul, he attacks EVERYONE who disagrees with him, regardless of color, and he does it with no thought, no maturity, no grace, no class. I don't see this as any different. I'm not a racist apologist.

[Sea Dangles]

This thread is a great example of snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.
Again (they do it a lot)
Trump (he started it)
Is there any way to twist words better than we witness here daily?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

and that statement means nothing to you bc there has never been a theory or that it has been used by certain people (racists) that you as a white male being in CT is illegitimate - that is the difference.

try again in english

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

try again in english

Seems like Jim is a lot smarter than you as it looks like he understood it
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems like Jim is a lot smarter than you as it looks like he understood it
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Yes I understood it., I reject it, but I understand it. Only 1 of the 4 is African American, Paul.

He was obviously not responding to their color, he was responding to their idiotic, totalitarian policies, and the likelihood that they truly hate the country.

In the last 2 weeks, Biden has been called a racist by liberals, and Pelosi has been called a racist by liberals, and obviously neither of them is a racist. So forgive me if your side has lost some credibility on the subject.

[Pete F.]

GOP Sen. Joni Ernst asked if she thinks Trump tweets are racist: “yes I do. They are American citizens”

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

GOP Sen. Joni Ernst asked if she thinks Trump tweets are racist: “yes I do. They are American citizens”

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

right? wtf

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems like Jim is a lot smarter than you as it looks like he understood it
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he understands liblish...I guess that makes him smarter

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

You can’t fix stupid
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

gee when you put it that way, you demolish that argument. be nice if a us senator knew that.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country.

Did I say he did?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seemed clear to me that you were counterpointing Trump's tweet or his rhetoric in general by pointing out you wouldn't do what he does. If not, then I guess you just needed to let us know that you will "never demand she leaves this country because we disagree." Don't know why you needed to tell us that. Thanks, but I really don't care if you would or not. Do you find what she says acceptable?

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.


Yessir judge PeteF, you accept your verdict that Trump claims more than he deserves. In what universe are your incessant anti-Trump comments more "acceptable" than Trump's?

Quite the "bully pulpit" I have here, isn't it?

So because you don't have a bully pulpit your comments are more acceptable than "Trump's"? You are more sarcastic, bitter, hateful, misleading, lying than Trump. Yet you don't find his comments acceptable. You are in your own universe.

[Jim in CT]

any of the liberal snowflakes here complain, or criticize Tlaib, when she referred to the president as a motherf*cker in public, for the camera? Or can we say out loud that you apply very different standards for what’s expected of public servants, depending on party?
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[Sea Dangles]

Pathetic,spineless crew.
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