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11-09-2011, 05:05 AM
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O'bama is the GRINCH that stole Christmas!
Obama Couldn't Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax
WHAT'S NEXT? A TAX ON THE #^&#^&#^&#^&ING PRESENTS WRAPPED UNDER THE #^&#^&#^&#^&ING TREE?
When is this #^&#^&#^&#^& going to STOP!
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11-09-2011, 05:07 AM
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"The Federal government mandates that the Christmas tree sellers pay the 15-cents per tree, whether they want to or not. "
SOUNDS AN AWEFUL LOT like the sportfishing excise tax......bet this is going to be a new form 721 now...watch.
This is plain BULL #^&#^&#^&#^&
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11-09-2011, 07:11 AM
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AT some Point
we just have to stand firm
and SAY - NOPE! - screw you
not gonna pay it....
everytime they send out a bill
send it in one penny short or two...
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11-09-2011, 07:23 AM
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GrayBeards
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Hahahahahaha! You THINK!
They will send you a penalty of $60 minimum plus interest min charge
Your killing me. This I know first hand. .21 cost me $66 plus the cost of sending a certified letter muther;$$;$$(-(/)$$(&&$€}%{%[}]#%%}^^#*^]%#]
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11-09-2011, 07:39 AM
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"We (the United States) tax everything that moves and doesn’t move" Hillary Clinton
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11-09-2011, 08:04 AM
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Your hatred for Obama is turning off people that might otherwise be sympathetic.
Dude. Take your foot off the gas.
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~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.
Apocalypse is Coming:
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11-09-2011, 08:20 AM
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ahhh JohnR
although i would agree with your assessment of the Bugger mans hatred of obama man
when's the last time ANYONE said to you....
Man .....our president is just awesome.....?
ok SALTY send them one penny too much then
after you take a penny @ a food store extra penny dish  |
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11-09-2011, 08:31 AM
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GrayBeards
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I don't invent the news I just posted it. Had the guy come up with a federal subsidy that made all trees free I'd post that too John.
If someone doesn't like my opinion they always got ignore but I call it like I see it and I'm generally right
Like a ridiculous tax on Xmas
trees to promote xmas trees.
Did you ever go buy a Xmas tree because you saw a ad or commercial? I doubt it. More ridiculous spending.
And will raise the price of trees by at least $5 each you watch. Now farmers will have to spend additional time making sure their tax is accounted for-costs money.
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Your hatred for Obama is turning off people that might otherwise be sympathetic.
Dude. Take your foot off the gas.
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11-09-2011, 08:38 AM
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How's this tax affect Non-Profits?
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-09-2011, 09:28 AM
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GrayBeards
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I'm guessing they'll do this on the form 720 and make it an A or a 721, they'll make it at the manufacturer/shipper level which would mean everyone pays it.
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11-09-2011, 09:41 AM
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It says in the article that it is on the sellers if you sell more than 500 trees
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-09-2011, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
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right, $0.15/tree will cause a 5.00 uptick.
Like 5 or 6 years ago, when fuel surcharges were added... the price of trees we bought since then never came down when fuel was cheaper. |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-09-2011, 10:55 AM
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Bryan if you think it won't then WATCH. When farmer joe has to hire someone to do this for him or pay his CPA more to do it then you'll see. Wait til the audits start. If one I isn't dotted or t crossed they penalize you.. that all comes out of what they sell. And yea add the ridiculous cost of diesel too UGH
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11-09-2011, 11:15 AM
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You really think farmer Joe is going to hire a CPA to tell him he's gotta pay $15 for every 100 trees he sells.........
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-09-2011, 11:58 AM
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Yes I do because it's much more involved than that.
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11-09-2011, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
You really think farmer Joe is going to hire a CPA to tell him he's gotta pay $15 for every 100 trees he sells.........
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Do you think Farmer Joe already DOESN"T Pay a CPA?
Scott.
those are straws in your hands... step away from the computer and go back to speed turning stubby needles  |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-09-2011, 01:11 PM
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Tree farmers over 500 trees fall under the same category as milk producer, corn producers, pork producers, beef producers, etc. Why isn't anyone yelling about the cost of advertising paid for the other white meat or beef, it's what's for dinner? It is a bit annoying, but it is producers paying for their own advertising. I get the -whether they want to or not aspect, but it is the same for all those other ag groups that already do it.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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11-09-2011, 01:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
Your hatred for Obama is turning off people that might otherwise be sympathetic.
Dude. Take your foot off the gas.
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Its the Six Degrees of Barack Obama.....
If you get a parking ticket in southie....since its a goverment form.....the fault traces back to Obama within six steps. |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-09-2011, 02:23 PM
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No sorry your wrong. It's been proven previously parking tickets were Bush's fault
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Its the Six Degrees of Barack Obama.....
If you get a parking ticket in southie....since its a goverment form.....the fault traces back to Obama within six steps.
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11-09-2011, 02:25 PM
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The law that started this was enacted around 1995 or 1996.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aib729/aib729f.pdf
Title V authorizes the Secretary to establish an orderly
process for developing, financing, and carrying out a
program of generic promotion, research, and information
for commodities. Under this new program, interested
parties can petition USDA to establish an industry-
financed promotion program for a commodity
without first obtaining specific authorization from
Congress, as previously required. This title also
requires an independent evaluation of each generic
agricultural promotion program’s effectiveness, including
existing programs, not less than every 5 years.
Title V also provides specific authorization for three
new commodity promotion programs (popcorn, canola
and rapeseed, and kiwifruit). |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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11-09-2011, 02:30 PM
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WELL then Bryan he's paying SAID CPA even more then isn't he?
MY CPA don't work for free. So now he's paying extra......like I said the money got to to come from SOMEWHERE. So I'm supposed to erode my bottom line now paying a tax, and paying someone to file said tax and keep proper records, all the while not raise my price to keep up with my costs?
(Wait that sounds JUST like the fishing lure business)
How many of you guys here
#1 have a CPA,
#2 Work for Yourself (and have to balance your income versus what you sell your product for), and
#3 pay a tax like this.
Step up and tell us what you do. If you tell me it's not figured into the cost of your product then you should close your business right now. Your doomed to failure.
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Do you think Farmer Joe already DOESN"T Pay a CPA?
Scott.
those are straws in your hands... step away from the computer and go back to speed turning stubby needles |
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11-09-2011, 02:44 PM
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ONCE AGAIN. flIp fLoP fLiP fLOp
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...tmas-tree-fee/
"“The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do? And, by the way, the American Christmas tree has a great image that doesn’t need any help from the government.”"
GEE there's that ECHO again.
"The National Christmas Tree Association says the fee would fund a program “designed to benefit the industry and will be funded by the growers” and is “not expected to have any impact on the final price consumers pay for their Christmas tree.” "
I will continue to dispute this. The NCTA is most likely a paid organization. The only way they increase profits is to charge more. They like many organizations have membership based on a company's gross income. You advertise more you sell more. NCTA makes more money. |
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11-09-2011, 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
WELL then Bryan he's paying SAID CPA even more then isn't he? How many of you guys here
#1 have a CPA,
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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...tmas-tree-fee/
Moot point here.
OK.
So they put a tax on all needlefish plugs @ $0.15.
You already pay your CPA as you point out.
Costs are going up that dramatically that you said it would put an increase of $5.00/(plug)? In your scenario, the cost would be put onto the consumer 25x?
More than likely, you would give your CPA the # of needlefish (trees) sold, he would multiply it x $0.15 and put the amount on the propper form.... If you need to put the cost on the consumer 10X or 25X, then you need a cheaper CPA!
all of this is caveated as I don't give a crap about the intial $0.15/tree. I'm pointing out the huge flaw in your argument... WTF I have a fake tree anyways! |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-09-2011, 03:08 PM
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Bryan I said $5 off the cuff as a rough estimate of what the trickle down would be on it. The fact is that it would increase the cost and significantly. Whether it's $2 or $5 it's going to cost more.
I don't have a tree. I have a toilet brush on a stand.
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11-09-2011, 03:12 PM
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Why the uproar now? Scott, you eat beef; chicken; pork; corn products; dairy; or wear cotton, the fabric of our lives? Why are you so irrate about this? You live another 50 years, this tax, if passed on, will cost you 1/10,000th of 1 percent of what you pay toward the promotion board taxes for those other commodities. Nevermind, it won't cost you anything since you have a toilet brush on a stand Wouldn't you be better served to complain about those? |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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11-09-2011, 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
Bryan I said $5 off the cuff as a rough estimate of what the trickle down would be on it. The fact is that it would increase the cost and significantly. Whether it's $2 or $5 it's going to cost more.
I don't have a tree. I have a toilet brush on a stand.
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Well, if it is significantly more than the original cost, then the tree producer and/or retailer are hosing everyone. I would have expected the $40.00 trees to be $40.25 this year.... not $45. |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-09-2011, 03:14 PM
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"The fee, requested by the National Christmas Tree Association in 2009"
Isn't that an important point too???? They requested it.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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11-09-2011, 03:16 PM
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here ya Go....sounds like a Communist conspiracy to me...
http://www.christmastree.org/about.cfm
I wonder when the NCBA is going to roll out its "Fee" Initiative |
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11-09-2011, 03:19 PM
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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11-09-2011, 03:43 PM
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SPOT ON too Zimmy.
All you guys can eat ya crow now thread closed  
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