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Old 08-16-2011, 08:14 AM   #1
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A Nation Divided

The tides of Revolution, and Divisiveness seem to be on the rise.
As a Nation, we seem to be divided by Reds and Blues, and Tea..

Will there be a breaking point, that will divided us?

Several schools of thoughts out there. A Few:

Divided States Of America - Television Tropes & Idioms

143 - Ex Unum Pluribus: New American Nations | Strange Maps | Big Think

U.S. Will Break 159

A proposal to divide the United States into two countries


How would YOU slice it up?
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:09 AM   #2
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look at Europe
unfortunately any change will be brought about by the welfare state and extreme liberals, why? They;re the ones that want more and want you to pay for it and they do not have to hold down full time jobs! Most working people wont have the time to rebel, they have bills to pay.

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look at Europe
unfortunately any change will be brought about by the welfare state and extreme liberals, why? They;re the ones that want more and want you to pay for it and they do not have to hold down full time jobs! Most working people wont have the time to rebel, they have bills to pay.
I consider myself a liberal and pay lots of taxes. I don't want more of anything.

I guess I could say that it seems to me it will be the conservatives who don't have any concern for anyone less fortunate than themselves - the "I got mine and could care less about anyone else" mentality.

I wonder how the author of the proposal to divide up the country into 2 considers him a good American?

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Old 08-16-2011, 11:48 AM   #4
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I consider myself a liberal and pay lots of taxes. I don't want more of anything.

I guess I could say that it seems to me it will be the conservatives who don't have any concern for anyone less fortunate than themselves - the "I got mine and could care less about anyone else" mentality.

I wonder how the author of the proposal to divide up the country into 2 considers him a good American?
typical response from you. any proof conervatives dont care about the less fortunate? run yourself a little google on charity of dems vs. repubs.....
have kids? I guess you could coddle them when they dont do well on a test, tell them it was too hard. Or you could inspire them to work harder and do better. I prefer the latter for my kids and my countrymen. no handouts needed.

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typical response from you. any proof conervatives dont care about the less fortunate? run yourself a little google on charity of dems vs. repubs.....
have kids? I guess you could coddle them when they dont do well on a test, tell them it was too hard. Or you could inspire them to work harder and do better. I prefer the latter for my kids and my countrymen. no handouts needed.

and yours was a typical response from you.

Where is your proof? - I just proved your statement wrong? I would guess most repubs. give a lot of the charity to self serving things - (ie church - which is ok b/c I give a lot to my church but then I don't claim that I give more in charity then someone else).

No, I haven't been blessed with kids.
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Where is your proof? - I just proved your statement wrong? I would guess most repubs. give a lot of the charity to self serving things - (ie church - which is ok b/c I give a lot to my church but then I don't claim that I give more in charity then someone else).
I think there's plenty of research showing conservatives generally giving more as a % of income if you just look at the straight numbers.

What they fail to account for though is that the wealthy liberal elite needs the extra cash to pay for parking in the city

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Old 08-17-2011, 07:34 AM   #7
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I guess I could say that it seems to me it will be the conservatives who don't have any concern for anyone less fortunate than themselves - the "I got mine and could care less about anyone else" mentality.
That might make a great bumper-sticker, but as usual with liberal talking points, the factual reality tells a different story.

Every study I have ever seen, suggests that conservatives give more time and money to charity, than liberals. This, DESPITE the fact that, as a group, conservatives are less wealthy than liberals (think about the east and west coasts where liberalism thrives).

Look up a study called "Who Really Cares", which is considered the definitive statistical study on the subject.

Put down the Kool Aid, and get some facts before you draw yoru conclusions. I'm not saying that facts and common sense suggest that conservative sare right on every issue...but the notion that liberals have a monopoly on charity is ridiculous, and a flat-out lie.
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That might make a great bumper-sticker, but as usual with liberal talking points, the factual reality tells a different story.
My comment was suppose to be 180% different that the OP - just as outlandish. That must have gone over your head.

So maybe you should tell the OP to put down the koolaid.
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ahh my proof? easy one my friend. I assume you mean proof that the libs will be leading an uprising?
here you go, enjoy.....

so tell me....look like conservatives to you???








lets compare that to those tea party terrorists......





so, am I speculating, yes. BUT, I like the odds and will stick to my original statement. it will be libs uprising, just like in europe, just like the RNC. maybe not you or other hardworking, law abiding libs, but it will be the "takers", the students, those with nothing to lose. the rest of us will wake up and go to work

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so, am I speculating, yes. BUT, I like the odds and will stick to my original statement. it will be libs uprising, just like in europe, just like the RNC. maybe not you or other hardworking, law abiding libs, but it will be the "takers", the students, those with nothing to lose. the rest of us will wake up and go to work
I think the uprising will be newly retired Republicans who feel they've paid into entitlement programs their entire lives and deserve the benefits they feel they own.

Cut MY Medicare???

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[QUOTE=spence;880385]I think the uprising will be newly retired Republicans who feel they've paid into entitlement programs their entire lives and deserve the benefits they feel they own.

Cut MY Medicare???

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key words - "they've paid"

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key words - "they've paid"
That's a key point of the issue though...most people who work pay into SS and Medicare, and the middle class pays a much higher overall % of their income into these programs.

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That's a key point of the issue though...most people who work pay into SS and Medicare, and the middle class pays a much higher overall % of their income into these programs.

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Should be no problem with SS being it's stored in a "locked box".

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Old 08-16-2011, 01:39 PM   #14
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And at our current rates, what we are doing as a nation is not sustainable.

GenX is now becoming of age where they (we'll) be taking more of the reigns. Can we fix things? How do we fix things? We're supposed to be the generation that breaks the mold on race, allowing for more tolerance, but can we do it? We're supposed to be the generation that fixes education but that doesn't look to be taking root.

Where a lot of Boomers have gotten us to where we are now, can the current awaking generation do a better job? Can many of the faults be hoisted on the boomers? Not that laying blame will fix any problems.

I do weep for my country.

Perhaps as a hypothetical exercise, we come up with a way to fix the USA's ills ?

If the hypothetical fracture comes along - I can likely be reached in TX or North Carolina.

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Geez, the violence in those terrorist tea party demonstration tapes
was atrocious. Did you see the disrespect showed to the police
when they were asked to quiet down. Terrorists for sure.

There are a lot of towns sharing services in our area, but so far it's been
garbage collection, and regionalization of schools. We may be forced to
do more regionly due to the future economy.
But there would be a big protest by the opposition of what would be called" the people of home rule."
They will be smeared too.

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Sorry, can't see attachments at work (which sucks).

But it's always the conservatives who talk about breaking the country up into 2.

Any uprising is too much work for liberals.
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Those people in the riots are not liberals....and they aren't conservatives....they are idiots and criminals (cue ScottW's comment "Same Thing")

Conservatives would put them in Prison
Liberals would put them in Rehabiltation

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Those people in the riots are not liberals....and they aren't conservatives....
Has to be one or the other. No middle group. One person is indicitive of what the whole party represents.

How is the new job?
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Those people in the riots are not liberals....and they aren't conservatives....they are idiots and criminals (cue ScottW's comment "Same Thing")

Conservatives would put them in Prison
Liberals would put them in Rehabiltation
the people rioting at the RNC event are not liberals? The greeks looking for more govt handounts are not liberals?

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They may be living on the liberal dole....but they really are just idiots.

Are the KKK Conservatives?.....or are they just idiots too.....bet they vote republican

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They may be living on the liberal dole....but they really are just idiots.

Are the KKK Conservatives?.....or are they just idiots too.....bet they vote republican
You're missing the point entirely...While the KKK probably votes Republican, when the burn a cross, they aren't upholding conservative principles. They are not acting on behalf of conservative ideals.

When you look at the riots in Europe, most had their genesis in liberal ideology. They are protesting because they don't want the government to tell them they have to work until they are 62. They are rioting, SPECIFICALLY, to uphold the very core principles of liberal ideology. (namely, "gimme, gimme, gimme!"). Those are liberal riots.

John R, like you, I weep for my country, and I pray for my kid's future. When you have 40% of the country still believing in liberal ideology despite the irrefutable math, and despite what's happening in Europe, I have no idea how to heal the chasm between us. These people just don't respond to factual reality, not unless it fits their ideology. I don't get it...
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I'm not really missing it...I'm just looking at it differently.

its not really right to lump Racists, Skinheads, and Religious Zealots as "Conservatives".......as well as Lumping Looters, Thieves and Punks as "Liberal"

Now both of their actions could be loosely tied to each "agenda" if people want to.....see it from both sides. But in reality they are just idiots who use each agenda to Justify their idiotic actions.

I know there were tea party members who were pissed when people labled them racist because a couple of members said some racist comments. Now are they indicative of the whole party....or are they really just a couple of idiots who latched on to some of the party's core beliefs and used that to justify their way of thinking.

There are Conservatives Collecting....and there are liberals working.....and visa versa.

just my opinion....

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Dad, I hear what you're saying. But in my observation (which is limited, of course), whenever I see this type of feral, anarchist behavior, it's always liberals who are either promoting liberal values, or protesting conservative values. I don't know that I've ever seen what I'd call a "conservative riot".

Does that mean all liberals are anarchists? Not at all. But as passionate as the Tea Party is, there hasn't been a riot.
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