McCain's speech - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

spence · 09-05-2008, 05:23 AM

Anybody watch? It was quite a let down really, and can't feel good to be upstaged by your VP pick

The Cindy McCain story was pretty amusing. I guess if we all grew up incredibly rich we could do more social work as well. Perhaps instead they should have talked about the blue collar slobs who drove her father's beer trucks.

John McCains speech seemed to be the same GOP rhetoric, but nothing really new. I want to know how the Republicans think they're better prepared to lead this nation given the BIG challenges we're going to face this decade. Didn't hear it.

Instead of his experience in the Senate, he focused mostly on his time as a POW. Great, we all know and respect that time. I think it also speaks volumes about McCains fortitude and spirit. But at the convention it was used as a crutch.

I'm also quite amused at McCain's calls to end divisive politics, after 4 days of nothing but, culminating with Lindsy Graham, someone who I actually like, remarking that Obama's policy requires falure. Sounds pretty constructive to me.

At the same time, Palin is making public remarks against dailykos, the ultra left wing blog that tried to break the babygate story resulting in Palin fessing up about her daugher's own pregnancy. I guess when you see windmills...

So John, I'm trying to like you again, but you just ain't doing it for me. Nobody seems to be actually...

What say you?

-spence

RIROCKHOUND · 09-05-2008, 05:33 AM

I was more amused at the crowd chanting USA every time he mentioned the problems we face right now (jobs foreclosures etc..).

spence · 09-05-2008, 05:49 AM

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I was more amused at the crowd chanting USA every time he mentioned the problems we face right now (jobs foreclosures etc..).

Actually, I believe they were trying to drown out the protesters who seemed to be cropping up now and then.

USA I like, the chanting of "drill baby drill" we heard during Palin's speech was downright creepy. Talk about a room full of addicts looking for a fix.

-spence

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 07:31 AM

Spence, once again you amaze me. Same old GOP rheotric? He basically, said "Bush Sucks", said the republicans lost their way and they need to turn this thing around. Even the post speech critics said it sounded like a speech someone would make if they were not the incumbent party in the white house. He really threw Bush and Co under the bus. McCain has been a consistent critic of Bush's stategy in Iraq and has spoken out against it for years.

eastendlu · 09-05-2008, 09:05 AM

Okay, let's work this out logically without a lot of emotion.

If you vote for Obama....

You get this.....

RIROCKHOUND · 09-05-2008, 09:08 AM

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Actually, I believe they were trying to drown out the protesters who seemed to be cropping up now and then.

USA I like, the chanting of "drill baby drill" we heard during Palin's speech was downright creepy. Talk about a room full of addicts looking for a fix.

-spence

I understand that Spence, but were they shouting USA because the protesters had free speech

He did sound more aggressive towards changing his party than I expected Jim.

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 09:44 AM

Fight with me," McCain implored. "Fight for what's right for our country. Fight for the ideals and character of a free people. Fight for our children's future. Fight for justice and opportunity for all...Stand up, stand up, stand up, and fight! Nothing is inevitable. We're Americans, and we never give up! We never quit! We never hide from history! We make history!"

Pretty much sums up what I believe and the values I give my children. I guess the Obama/Biden equivalent would be "Blame with me!, We never give up, because you never tried!" Its not your fault, I repeat, its not your fault!"

Flaptail · 09-05-2008, 09:46 AM

The last 60 seconds was the best of his oratory. He is not a gifted public speaker and could certainly use some coaching.

spence · 09-05-2008, 09:50 AM

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Fight with me," McCain implored. "Fight for what's right for our country. Fight for the ideals and character of a free people. Fight for our children's future. Fight for justice and opportunity for all...Stand up, stand up, stand up, and fight! Nothing is inevitable. We're Americans, and we never give up! We never quit! We never hide from history! We make history!"

That's pretty much what Bush has said all along...

...then done the opposite.

-spence

Nebe · 09-05-2008, 09:53 AM

Bush is certianly not a quitter spence... stubborn mule is more like it.. or perhaps a fearless lemming.

The Dad Fisherman · 09-05-2008, 10:06 AM

Mule, Jackass......You say Toe May Toe, I say Toe Mah Toe

Nebe · 09-05-2008, 10:08 AM

lets call the whole thing off...... and impeach.

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 10:13 AM

still cant let go of Bush. Man, you guys will miss him.
You should be using Clinton's theme song from Fleetwood Mac, dont stop thinking about tomorrow.
A year ago, almost no one, in either party would say McCain and Bush are similar, suddenly he is Bush's clone.

BTW - did anyone watch after the speech, during all the balloon dropping crap? They played "Barracuda" by Heart, I laughed my ass off, that was brilliant. I wonder if Palin got it?

Bronko · 09-05-2008, 10:35 AM

Speech was average to below average. Nothing great, nothing we haven't heard before. I think he looked stupid talking about all his crossing the aisle heroics when everybody that spoke prior to him disembowled the dems. (and rather well I may add).

This race will be won in the debates.

justplugit · 09-05-2008, 10:41 AM

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lets call the whole thing off...... and impeach.

No need for that, if Obama gets elected it's rumored that he and Biden will investigate the Bush administration and prosecute any wrong doing.

striperman36 · 09-05-2008, 10:43 AM

only 1/3 of America is GOP
the rest is Dem or indifferent.

Will be interesting to see what additional groups the old man can win over, if at all.

justplugit · 09-05-2008, 10:48 AM

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This race will be won in the debates.

I agree, with the caveat that a lot will depend on what's happening

in the world's troubled spots between now and Nov. 4th.

Nebe · 09-05-2008, 11:00 AM

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No need for that, if Obama gets elected it's rumored that he and Biden will investigate the Bush administration and prosecute any wrong doing.

One can only hope.

Nebe · 09-05-2008, 11:03 AM

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BTW - did anyone watch after the speech, during all the balloon dropping crap? They played "Barracuda" by Heart, I laughed my ass off, that was brilliant. I wonder if Palin got it?

I doubt it.. She was too busy autographing the chests of NRA members over at the beer tent at that point.

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 11:10 AM

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No need for that, if Obama gets elected it's rumored that he and Biden will investigate the Bush administration and prosecute any wrong doing.

thats a great example of hope and change, how will that help the economy, energy, security?
How will that unite the country. SAME OLD POLITICAL CRAP OBAMA IS RUNNING AGAINST.

The Bush Administarion was faced with new things NO other governement had to deal with before. So, what do you do with terrorists, sworn to destroy you? there is no power to surrender or sign a treaty with? I admit they f'de up a lot, but criminal? Give me a break. Looks like Michael Moore will be the new Attorney General

mosholu · 09-05-2008, 11:12 AM

My problem with McCain is kind of like my problem with Bush 8 years ago. Personally I think the guy is alright but I really worry about who he has around him. It seems in the last months more and more of the hard core right are showing up on McCain's team. If he is going to run as being different from Bush, McCain (and for that matter Obama as well needs to provide more detail) needs to come out with some macro details about how it is going to change.

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by striperman36

only 1/3 of America is GOP
the rest is Dem or indifferent.

Will be interesting to see what additional groups the old man can win over, if at all.

40 mil watched Palins speach, more that clinton and bidens
38 watched Obama

Havent been able to get the figure on McCain.

How many groups he can win over? Not Important, how many show up to vote is what counts. Have of Obamas supporters will wake and bake, sleep until the 3pm class, play hacky sack and forget to vote. I keep hoping that the 01-20-09 morons think that this is election day.

spence · 09-05-2008, 11:23 AM

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The Bush Administarion was faced with new things NO other governement had to deal with before.

You can't be serious

-spence

spence · 09-05-2008, 11:25 AM

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A year ago, almost no one, in either party would say McCain and Bush are similar, suddenly he is Bush's clone.

I think you need to go back two years to make that statement. And if McCain is regarded as Bush's clone it's because he signed a deal with the devil to get the Administration's backing for the nomination, which he nearly screwed up.

I loved John Kerry's convention speech where he detailed all the Bills that Senator McCain supported by Candidate McCain would oppose!

-spence

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 11:26 AM

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You can't be serious

-spence

the united states civilans have been attacked, killing thousands by terrorists who infiltrated the fabric of our society in order to carry out a catastophic act?
Did I not pay attention in history class? Werent all out other enemies wearing uniforms or carrying flags?

Backbeach Jake · 09-05-2008, 11:27 AM

What puzzles the hell out of me was his many endorsements, "If you want change vote for McCain". Even Laura Bush

excuse the laugh but she kinda through W under the bus there. McCain =change? Isn't that the Democratic platform, change?

spence · 09-05-2008, 11:28 AM

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Isn't that the Democratic platform, change?

They're attempting to muddy the waters by taking Obama's mantra away from him. Smart move if you ask me...

-spence

Nebe · 09-05-2008, 11:30 AM

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The Bush Administarion was faced with new things NO other governement had to deal with before.

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You can't be serious

-spence

Its true spence. This nation has never had such a blundering idiot behind the desk... never.

RIJIMMY · 09-05-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

They're attempting to muddy the waters by taking Obama's mantra away from him. Smart move if you ask me...

-spence

brillaint move, and ....its working.

nothing says change like, Joe Biden!

justplugit · 09-05-2008, 11:37 AM

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Looks like Michael Moore will be the new Attorney General

Ya and with Bon jovi sponsoring a $31,000 a plate dinner tonight for Obama,
he may be vying for a Cabinet spot.

$31,000 a plate, poket money for the low and middle income folks.