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Old 03-27-2018, 07:58 AM   #1
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Put your NatSec hat on and come over and read...

Very important piece to read. We may quibble over the details but we are in the most unstable period in decades and we are under-performing.

https://warontherocks.com/2018/03/ji...-warning-shot/

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Old 03-27-2018, 08:05 AM   #2
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Yup, that and the hiring of Bolton who would love to just bomb the crap out of the middle east and NK, we are moving into scary territory.
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:10 AM   #3
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Yup, that and the hiring of Bolton who would love to just bomb the crap out of the middle east and NK, we are moving into scary territory.
Wow - that is pretty short sighted .

These conditions did not start 14 months ago - they have been rolling for 2 decades building up to now. There were plenty of missed opportunities by ALL ADMINS to correct or mitigate this course

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I'm just saying, you know how quickly Trump can go off, having his third national security adviser with those tendencies from his past (not likely they have gone away) isn't what I'd like in the latest hiring.

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“America’s military has no preordained right to victory on the battlefield.”

Some one should tell congress or the American people this.. America has convince its self since the end of WW2 that we are undefeatable

it took 20 years to get where we are today because we followed the threat , and we will change again adapt and overcome thats how it works

I see china and Russia are both nations who are all on equal footing in technology.. No Country has the clear advantage in the air on land or at Sea .. so we are back to a mutual assured destruction policy..

And with Bolton on Deck with a clear history I think its unfair to expect Mattis to be a buffer .. Dont forget He was a general they carry out orders .. if he last's another year
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Perhaps this is why Trump wanted that huge raise in the military budget, and was willing to sign the otherwise Porky spending bill. And, perhaps, he was listening to Mattis when he insisted on the huge influx of money into military spending.

An maybe this is why, among other things, he is willing to be more diplomatic rather than hostile toward powerful opponents such as Putin and China and not so much to weaker ones such as NK.
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Perhaps this is why Trump wanted that huge raise in the military budget, and was willing to sign the otherwise Porky spending bill. And, perhaps, he was listening to Mattis when he insisted on the huge influx of money into military spending.

An maybe this is why, among other things, he is willing to be more diplomatic rather than hostile toward powerful opponents such as Putin and China and not so much to weaker ones such as NK.
I hope you didn't just give yourself a hernia.
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I hope you didn't just give yourself a hernia.
Military has been generally baseline funded (with a lot of overseas stuff going on) for many years due to the CR. You already know this but it is not convenient for you.

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I didn’t read it. Are we gonna die soon?
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Not as long as you give the military industrial complex all the money it needs so it can make sure that all the conflicts that the military industrial complex supplies don't affect us.

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Not as long as you give the military industrial complex all the money it needs so it can make sure that all the conflicts that the military industrial complex supplies don't affect us.
Lol. It’s like fisheries management. The main objective is to solve problems that were previously created by solving another problem
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5-8 years more like since the Iraq war and Afghanistan both focused the American people and congress to focus on the bogy man.. Islamic terrorism . which Iraq and Afghanistan helped Fuel

not sure John what missed opportunities your referring to .. But its clear the big picture hasn't been in view since bush SR and isn't getting much attention now under the current administration . and the current 61 Billion needs to be spent by sept glad some going to the pay of our troops

but $61 billion increase matches or even surpasses Russia's entire military budget each year

so how is Russia a threat if their whole budget is around 61 billion and ours is 700 billion ..

must be the invisible f-35 $94.6 million each
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The last 5-6 years has brought us to the most dangerous time since the 80s so maybe...

Great Peer Competition is back on strong. Our gov (as well as EU) dropped the ball on some good opportunities to shape the world but we punted (overall).

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Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
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Its like watching a 13 year old respond to a taunt thrown his way, very professional response, maybe he should tell Putin when and where so he can get ready.
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Well at least he didn't tell our enemies what he was going to do.
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Well at least he didn't tell our enemies what he was going to do.
Trump wouldn't do that...

Right now Russia and Syria are busy co-mingling assets.
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I am not against the use of force but its not a game . and the russian response was on point his base loves the tough guy talk and sounds like a conservative snowflake

Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!

he sounds like a conservative snowflake


“We do not participate in Twitter diplomacy,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters. “We support serious approaches. We continue to believe that it is important not to take steps that could harm an already fragile situation.”

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Wait . . . I thought it was Trump who loved the Russians . . .
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Wait . . . I thought it was Trump who loved the Russians . . .
Even he knew down deep the bromance wasn’t going to last, eventually he finally get the workings of the world stage and the love of Putin had to be put aside to man up.

Not sure from a strategic vantage point, it’s smart for DJT to be tweeting what we plan to do, seems stupid to me.
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Wait . . . I thought it was Trump who loved the Russians . . .
I think fear might be a more appropriate word than love.
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A war will start over someone's tweet about misinformation that they saw on television, Sad.
He could go back to Mar a Lago and play golf, and leave governing to the grownups.

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You must mean saw on Fox. The others don't do fake news.
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I am not against the use of force but its not a game . and the russian response was on point his base loves the tough guy talk and sounds like a conservative snowflake

Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!

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Most of the bad blood with Russia is because Russia is acting like a large Crime Family - which they are, but with nukes. This is Russia and how Russia acts for 300 years, but with Nukes

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Most of the bad blood with Russia is because Russia is acting like a large Crime Family - which they are, but with nukes. This is Russia and how Russia acts for 300 years, but with Nukes
And that my friend is what makes this so unsettling
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Most of the bad blood with Russia is because Russia is acting like a large Crime Family - which they are, but with nukes. This is Russia and how Russia acts for 300 years, but with Nukes
agreed.. some one should tell Trump that it was his tweet
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But for Detbuch and his personal bromance with trump .. if he does send missiles raining down on Assad it will absolve him from the multitude of all his previous lie's.. in his eyes
So even you, like Got Stripers, have this ability to know what others think. But, as usual, when you announce what I think, you're wrong. Your mind reading ability, actually, sucks.

I don't have a personal attraction to Trump. Although it has changed from disliking him to being neutral but unattracted. I defend him, if it can be called defending, when I think what is said is not true or unsubstantiated. And I think that scouring the universe to find something that gets him impeached or destroyed, is wrong. And, most importantly, I hope he gets the opportunity to nominate several more SCOTUS Judges.

But you're absolutely off the mark in your telepathic vision that bombing Assad will absolve Trump, in my eyes, of anything. I'm not convinced that Assad did the gassing. It doesn't make sense for him to have done that. Of course, making sense may not be part of the equation. And I don't want Assad to be deposed. What good or better would fill the void? I'd rather that we get the hell out of there.

But if Assad did the dirty deed, what should be done about it? Should the U.S., on its own, be the policeman?

And I certainly don't consider most of the stuff what you or others have called Trump's lies as lies.
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