Biden tanks in polls

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

are you kidding me? do you know how completely and thoroughly that lector lie has been debunked?

He died of natural causes, he had two strokes the next day. Natural causes.

Are you still saying the Duke lacrosse team was guilty, and that Nick Sandman is a white supremacist?
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He collapsed on Jan 6th and died the next day. The conclusion that the bear spray or fire extinguisher didn’t alone directly cause the death is mostly for legal reasons if homicide charges were sought.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

He collapsed on Jan 6th and died the next day.

Blood clots have a nasty habit of causing that. Seems they don't need any help.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

He collapsed on Jan 6th and died the next day. The conclusion that the bear spray or fire extinguisher didn’t alone directly cause the death is mostly for legal reasons if homicide charges were sought.

you said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher, which was the original
liberal spin. the autopsy showed zero signs of any injuries. . sorry to disappoint you.
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[Got Stripers]

The right can spin this as a peaceful protest, but that only works if you never saw the news, never watched any of the footage as it came out later and if you did and still believe it your memory is extremely short, very selective or you need to spin the party line. Trump not getting protected with executive privilege has to be making him crazy and nervous, but he will do what he does best whine and then lawyer up.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The right can spin this as a peaceful protest,

"MOSTLY peaceful." If you remember, that was the mantra for the various destructive riots that the left covered for over the past couple of years. The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The right can spin this as a peaceful protest, but that only works if you never saw the news, never watched any of the footage as it came out later and if you did and still believe it your memory is extremely short, very selective or you need to spin the party line. Trump not getting protected with executive privilege has to be making him crazy and nervous, but he will do what he does best whine and then lawyer up.

they didnt murder anybody. saying they did is like saying trump won, based on zero evidence
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

"MOSTLY peaceful." If you remember, that was the mantra for the various destructive riots that the left covered for over the past couple of years. The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful.

The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful

The vast majority of BLM protesters were very peaceful but I don’t see you supporting them with that argument ..

I am 100 positive you support what happened Jan 6th and you also support Trumps attempts to overturn the election…. You are like most right wingers you want your outcome by any means necessary . All while claiming to be a great lover of the constitution…. All the while looking the other way while Trump and Republicans try to trample all over it .. calling themselves Patriots
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

they didnt murder anybody. saying they did is like saying trump won, based on zero evidence
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Did I say they murdered anyone Jim? No I didn’t, however contributing to several deaths and causing ptsd for any of those officers on the receiving end of beatings with anything they brought or could get there hands on, while attempting to break into the capital building to stop the certification of the election is and should be seen for what it was. The right saw it for what is was for about one day and then suddenly their stories morphed into something else.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Did I say they murdered anyone Jim? No I didn’t, however contributing to several deaths and causing ptsd for any of those officers on the receiving end of beatings with anything they brought or could get there hands on, while attempting to break into the capital building to stop the certification of the election is and should be seen for what it was. The right saw it for what is was for about one day and then suddenly their stories morphed into something else.

no you didn’t say that. but spence and pete said it. that was the point. obviously a very small
number of them were violent, mostly causing property damage. unlike the blm rioters ( who got a complete free pass from the left) they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t burn any buildings to the ground.

interesting your side cares about the well being of cops, only when right wing lunatics are hurting them?

violence against police is
skyrocketing, how many cases of violence against cops did you decry here? just this one instance?


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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful

The vast majority of BLM protesters were very peaceful but I don’t see you supporting them with that argument ..

I didn't create the mantra of demonstrations being "mostly peaceful." The leftists and their supporting media did and applied it to various destructive left wing riots over the past couple of years. I merely applied the same reasoning to the Jan. 6 demonstration. But I don't see you supporting it with that argument.

I guess it only applies to those you agree with.

I am 100 positive you support what happened Jan 6th and you also support Trumps attempts to overturn the election….

As usual, you're 100% wrong. I am sickened by the Jan. 6 riot. I wish it hadn't happened. And the way something is framed shows motive. That you see it as "Trump's attempts" to "overturn the election" rather than attempts by several people to show that "the election was stolen" (as has been said by Dems over recent elections they lost) shows your bias.

As always, if serious allegations of election malfeasance are made, they should be investigated.

You are like most right wingers you want your outcome by any means necessary . All while claiming to be a great lover of the constitution…. All the while looking the other way while Trump and Republicans try to trample all over it .. calling themselves Patriots
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I have not said anything to warrant your accusation. If you are concerned about "looking the other way" you might want to peer into your own looking glass.

And I know of no greater way of trampling all over the Constitution than interpreting it in a way that will achieve desired outcomes. From what you've said, you seem to think that it is perfectly fine for SCOTUS Justices to interpret the Constitution for the supposed greater good (because times have changed). Such pragmatic interpretation nullifies the Constitution to a mere gathering of words that can mean what a judge needs them to mean in order to allow government to do what its current clan of politicians consider best for us all--which is to say that the Constitution is just a bunch of words judges can manipulate in order to grant government the power to do as it wishes so long as it is for the good as seen by politicians and judges. That is to say that the Constitution does not actually limit government, does not actually guaranty any unalienable rights.

That method of interpretation is one of the "means", as you put it, of getting "your outcome by any means necessary".

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no you didn’t say that. but spence and pete said it. that was the point. obviously a very small
number of them were violent, mostly causing property damage. unlike the blm rioters ( who got a complete free pass from the left) they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t burn any buildings to the ground.

interesting your side cares about the well being of cops, only when right wing lunatics are hurting them?

violence against police is
skyrocketing, how many cases of violence against cops did you decry here? just this one instance?


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Really a SMALL number were violent, what no TV in your house?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Really a SMALL number were violent, what no TV in your house?

small numbers of both were violent, right?

how come the left won’t say that a really small number of cops commit police brutality?

funny how they only play the “really small number” card when it suits them.


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[Pete F.]

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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Maybe it's like the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they just can't fix those pesky few head cutters.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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i guess this is news to you but bad people don’t wear signs. so you can’t always do anything about them until after.

and that you’d say “if” there are only a few bad apples, as if that’s. it irrefutable fact, shows us how sharp you aren’t.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Maybe it's like the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they just can't fix those pesky few head cutters.

exactly. or the small number of bad apples in Chicago that the well meaning folks there can’t fix. but only the cops are problematic for not being able to fix themselves.
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[Pete F.]

How many cops were present at George Floyd’s execution?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How many cops were present at George Floyd’s execution?
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that was a crime, which we dealt with.

in 2019, according to the washington post, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police. let’s assume every one of those was police brutality ( probably not true, but let’s assume it).

there are over 700,000 police officers in the US. one out of 80,000 killed an unarmed black man in a whole year. now, one instance is too many, but it’s a rounding error, not an epidemic.

One out of 80,000. That’s pretty close to zero.

how many blacks are killed
by other blacks every year in chicago? Hundreds. that’s one city. but the left doesn’t care, because THAT sue doesn’t help them win elections, and that’s all this is, politics. the left doesn’t care, because liberalism contributes to urban violence, obviously.

gang violence and fatherlessness is a million times more destructive to blacks, but we ignore it, because it’s not a politically winning issue for the left.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that was a crime, which we dealt with.

in 2019, according to the washington post, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police. let’s assume every one of those was police brutality ( probably not true, but let’s assume it).
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Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

i now see 9, 13, and 15.

how many cops are there?

and how many blacks are murdered by other blacks? so which is a bigger problem for blacks?

still trying to see how you can call
the capital police officers death a murder?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

lest you think that method keeps
numbers too low, it would
include a case like michael brown, who was unarmed but who was posing a lethal threat to wilson. unarmed does not necessarily mean innocent.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i
still trying to see how you can call
the capital police officers death a murder?
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I never did call it a murder, but I’d be willing to wager if the attack had not happened he’d still be alive.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I never did call it a murder, but I’d be willing to wager if the attack had not happened he’d still be alive.

you said he was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. that would t be a murder? we have to argue that now?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you said he was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. that would t be a murder? we have to argue that now?
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I said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher which was widely reported. The medical examiner said he didn’t have head injuries that would have directly caused his death. It’s really moot at this point, watch the videos of cops being crushed and beaten. I can’t believe more police didn’t die.

Keep trying to downplay the event, it speaks for itself.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

I said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher which was widely reported. The medical examiner said he didn’t have head injuries that would have directly caused his death. It’s really moot at this point, watch the videos of cops being crushed and beaten. I can’t believe more police didn’t die.

Keep trying to downplay the event, it speaks for itself.

It’s the spin the right needs to put on it and Jim gobbles it up from his buddies on the Fox truth network.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there are over 700,000 police officers in the US. one out of 80,000 killed an unarmed black man in a whole year. now, one instance is too many, but it’s a rounding error, not an epidemic.

One out of 80,000. That’s pretty close to zero.

I’m still astounded that you work with numbers for a living. Most officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty their entire career. Many never even take it out of their holster. Look at the patterns within departments and individuals.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I’m still astounded that you work with numbers for a living. Most officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty their entire career. Many never even take it out of their holster. Look at the patterns within departments and individuals.

right, most never fire their weapons. and if those 700,000 officers were all a bunch of racist assassins, my qualitative skills tell me there would be more than 13 deaths a year.

you can’t agree with that obvious conclusion for political reasons.

which tragedy is more destructive for blacks, police misconduct or back in black violence? which does more harm, and to what degree?

you have fun with that…
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[Pete F.]

Young lady, the police play by rules outside the rule of law
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Young lady, the police play by rules outside the rule of law
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then why is it so beyond rare for them to incorrectly hurt civilians? all those dangerous 911 calls in tense situations, and 15 unarmed blacks killed in all of 2019 in the entire nation? you call that a pandemic? or a rounding error? 700,000+ cops, millions and millions of tense/violent situations,,where is the evidence that they routinely violate the law?

tru answering the same question, tough guy? which force does more damage to blacks? white cops, or black on black crime?
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[Pete F.]

Blacks?
That’s only one part of the games played by cops
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