In Fake News we trust.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

let's not forget that glenn greenwald has a pet billionaire who used to fund the intercept a newspaper he founded (with this billionaire money) and used to work at
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Your typical insinuation that somehow is supposed to mean something.

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Just four minutes or so:

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_br...x1ztWkl%2FQJ6w

[Pete F.]

Ahh, those lab leak clicks. If it was a lab leak, Trump failed. If it was zoonotic, Trump failed. If it was a full scale bio attack, Trump failed. The press needs to separate the scientific need to trace origins from any notion that the answer will vindicate Trump in any way.
Obviously an overall foreign relations need to know too, but if China played Trump to their advantage, they'd hardly be unique among foreign powers in that regard.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ahh, those lab leak clicks. If it was a lab leak, Trump failed. If it was zoonotic, Trump failed. If it was a full scale bio attack, Trump failed. The press needs to separate the scientific need to trace origins from any notion that the answer will vindicate Trump in any way.
Obviously an overall foreign relations need to know too, but if China played Trump to their advantage, they'd hardly be unique among foreign powers in that regard.
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Actually, the thread and the post was not about Trump. It was about fake news.

[Pete F.]

Russia gate?
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Russia gate?
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Pete F.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

BlueAnon--why Russiagate disinformation never ends

Sure
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sure
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Yup

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Of course, we all know that our intelligence agencies use the media to shape our thoughts. So it's OK . . . right?

[Pete F.]

It's really simple actually, if you talk to our enemies it will be picked up by our spies that monitor them.

One possible explanation for Tucker Carlson’s claim to have been spied on by NSA is that he had a back channel with Russian operatives and was trying to get ahead of allegations that he was coordinating with Russian agents.

Particularly if the communications implicating Carlson were damning and potentially illegal, leaking them to him would be an easy way to flip the story, and accuse NSA of spying rather than Carlson of coordinating with Russian agents. Again, that’s all just a hypothetical that might explain Carlson’s claims.

Overnight, Jonathan Swan — who’s a political reporter, not a surveillance reporter — described that sources claimed authorities had obtained communications from Tucker Carlson’s efforts to get an interview with Vladimir Putin. Swan describes that Tucker had two intermediaries with Russia, but they live in the US. (I had hypothesized these might be Ukrainian sources, but Swan suggests they’re Russians.)

Two sources familiar with Carlson’s communications said his two Kremlin intermediaries live in the United States, but the sources could not confirm whether both are American citizens or whether both were on U.S. soil at the time they communicated with Carlson.

Swan doesn’t note that if the surveillance happened in the US, it would have formally been an FBI intercept, not an NSA one (just as the intercepts showing Mike Flynn’s secret back channel with Russia were collected by the FBI). But he does a good job of laying out the most likely ways this happened, which is that the NSA or FBI were surveilling the kind of people they’re supposed to surveil: Russian agents, whether overt or covert.

The first — and least likely — scenario is that the U.S. government submitted a request to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor Carlson to protect national security.
A more plausible scenario is that one of the people Carlson was talking to as an intermediary to help him get the Putin interview was under surveillance as a foreign agent.
In that scenario, Carlson’s emails or text messages could have been incidentally collected as part of monitoring this person, but Carlson’s identity would have been masked in any intelligence reports.
In order to know that the texts and emails were Carlson’s, a U.S. government official would likely have to request his identity be unmasked, something that’s only permitted if the unmasking is necessary to understand the intelligence.
The import of the agency involved — FBI or NSA — is that “unmasking” works quite differently for the FBI, which has a duty to guard against spying in this country. FBI agents tracking a known Russian agent might review such communications to find out if a high profile US journalist was being recruited by a known Russia spy. And if this was the FBI, it might explain how it recently became known: because Merrick Garland’s DOJ is trying to disclose all the tracking of journalists that took place under the Trump Administration.

This entire faux scandal feels just like ones that Devin Nunes has twice sown, first when Republican members of Congress got picked up undermining US policy with Bibi Netanyahu, and then again when Trump’s Transition team set up a secret back channel meeting with UAE. Each time Nunes has done this, it was with the seeming intent of flipping the scandalous efforts of Republicans to undermine US policy.

That’s consistent with Tucker’s claim that his source is “in a position to know.”

The whistleblower, who’s in a position to know, repeated back to us information about a story we are working from that could have only come directly from my texts and emails. There’s no other possible source for that information, period. The NSA captured that information without our knowledge and did it for political reasons.

But it also means that, if true, then Tucker and his source — whom Tucker himself suggests had a need to know — just burned intercepts on legitimate surveillance targets from a hostile country.

Plus, there’s a far bigger problem with Tucker’s currently operative story. Jason Leopold liberated Tucker’s FOIA request to obtain what he claims would be proof of this spying. Whether intentionally or because of incompetence, the FOIA was written in such a way that it is guaranteed to fail to find anything, because it uses language that NSA would understand to mean communications targeting Tucker (and, specifically, communications obtained from physical possession of Tucker’s phone).

More interesting than the failure by design is the scope. Tucker believes these sensitive communications — ostensibly a recent effort to set up an interview with Vladimir Putin — extend from January 1, 2019 until June 28, 2021, the date he first revealed this.

That’s thirty months he has been working with Russian back channels, purportedly to set up a meeting with Putin.

That, by itself, may explain why the communications generated further attention (if indeed they did). Thirty months isn’t the pursuit of an interview, it’s a long term relationship. This would look like a recruitment effort, not journalism.

It also explains why, even though Tucker himself is the person who leaked these details (again, burning what by all accounts are legitimate intercept targets), he claims it was an effort to take him off the air. If the FBI believes that Tucker really was pursuing a long-term relationship with Russian agents, then even Fox News might rethink giving him a platform. But that wouldn’t be the content of the communications, per se, but the fact that they appear to have been going on for thirty months.

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[Pete F.]

Ahh more youtube truth

Now, true knowledge of Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj is spreading rapidly, India is becoming a dowry free, drug-free, corruption-free and evil free.
- Earth To Heaven.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ahh more youtube truth

Now, true knowledge of Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj is spreading rapidly, India is becoming a dowry free, drug-free, corruption-free and evil free.
- Earth To Heaven.

He sounds a lot like you.

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[Pete F.]

Would a "reporter" lie?

Tucker Carlson's lawyers say yes

Ms. McDougal alleges that the host of the show, Tucker Carlson, accused
her of extorting now-President Donald J. Trump out of approximately $150,000 in exchange for
her silence about an alleged affair between Ms. McDougal and President Trump. After the case
was removed from New York state court, Fox News moved to dismiss Ms. McDougal’s claim on the grounds that Mr. Carlson’s statements were not statements of fact.

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Of course reporters lie. News media lies. A bunch of fake news. In it we trust.

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[Pete F.]

So what’s your point
You cite Greenwald and Carlson as truthful amongst all the lying reporters.
Now tell us how Alan Dershowitz is the only honest lawyer
You’ve ingested too much bleach and been exposed to too much UV light internally
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

So what’s your point
You cite Greenwald and Carlson as truthful amongst all the lying reporters.
Now tell us how Alan Dershowitz is the only honest lawyer
You’ve ingested too much bleach and been exposed to too much UV light internally

It's no surprise you miss my point. Maybe being so deeply and continuously immersed in the importance of your horse blinders version of Trump it's tough to see anything, even if it's not about Trump, that you think might hurt it.

So what would be the right amount of bleach to ingest and the right amount of UV light to internally be exposed to?

Hey, this has nothing to do with Trump, and wouldn't hurt the Trump narrative that you expose yourself to . . . maybe too much. Give it a try, maybe you'll find some point in it:

[Pete F.]

The Rest of the Story

Fox hosts are relentlessly attacking the vaccination campaign against the coronavirus. Their nightly effort to delegitimize the vaccines is a big problem.
The vaccines are miraculously safe and effective against the virus and its variants. But if you watch Fox, you hear a stream of stories about how they may not work and may kill you if you take them, along with aggrieved rants about the Biden administration effort.

It didn't have to be this way. It’s easy to imagine a world in which Fox hosts relentlessly talked up how Donald Trump had made the vaccines possible and how if viewers got vaccinated, the dreaded masks and lockdowns would be gone forever.
But Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.

So now huge swaths of Republicans say they are not and will not be vaccinated. It's a culture war issue rather than a health one because that's the lens through which Fox presents the world to its viewers.
We're headed for a scenario in which Democrats are vaccinated and Republicans aren't, and a lot of Fox viewers end up dead because they listened to the network instead of getting shots.

The cumulative result will be more viral proliferation, more variants, until the vaccine's efficacy is reduced to nothing.
They are the reason we are where we are now, and the reason this is never going to end.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Rest of the Story

Fox hosts are relentlessly attacking the vaccination campaign against the coronavirus. Their nightly effort to delegitimize the vaccines is a big problem.
The vaccines are miraculously safe and effective against the virus and its variants. But if you watch Fox, you hear a stream of stories about how they may not work and may kill you if you take them, along with aggrieved rants about the Biden administration effort.

It didn't have to be this way. It’s easy to imagine a world in which Fox hosts relentlessly talked up how Donald Trump had made the vaccines possible and how if viewers got vaccinated, the dreaded masks and lockdowns would be gone forever.
But Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.

So now huge swaths of Republicans say they are not and will not be vaccinated. It's a culture war issue rather than a health one because that's the lens through which Fox presents the world to its viewers.
We're headed for a scenario in which Democrats are vaccinated and Republicans aren't, and a lot of Fox viewers end up dead because they listened to the network instead of getting shots.

The cumulative result will be more viral proliferation, more variants, until the vaccine's efficacy is reduced to nothing.
They are the reason we are where we are now, and the reason this is never going to end.

Your "rest of the story" is actually "part of the story." Part of the old story that Fox News is Faux News. I've been pointing out "the rest of the story" that it's not just Fox News. Nor has it been proven that Fox is the worst. Quite the contrary.

News media has to a great degree been corrupted, not just by the natural and historical tendency for news agencies to become internally politicized, but more insidiously done so by cooperation with government agencies.

BTW, your post seems to be verbatim snatches of Media Matters rhetoric, which is not unbiased nor apolitical.

[Pete F.]

Some of the least vaccinated states are the most pro-Trump. Trump won 17 of the 18 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates. Many of these states have high proportions of whites without college degrees.

The irony is that many of those who now deride the vaccines also objected to lockdowns, social distancing, and the wearing of masks. In a rational world, they would see the vaccines as a ticket back to normal life.

Instead, at this moment, they have chosen to go full anti-vax. Even with hundreds of thousands of dead, and hospitals again filling up, the lies continue; media types tell them to get clicks and likes; pols spread the lies to raise their profile and bring in cash.

And their recklessness will kill people. This is not hyperbole.

The toll of the lies —the tweets, cable hits, and performative demagoguery — can be measured in human lives. The right’s burst of dishonesty means that more fathers, mothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, even children will die.

How to describe the enormity of the malignancy here? Words like “irrational” and “insane,” don’t cover it.

In the law, however, there is category known as “depraved indifference to human life,” which “reflects a wicked, evil or inhuman state of mind, as manifested by brutal, heinous and despicable acts. It is evinced by conduct that is wanton, deficient in a moral sense of concern, and devoid of regard for the life or lives of others.”

It fits.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Some of the least vaccinated states are the most pro-Trump. Trump won 17 of the 18 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates. Many of these states have high proportions of whites without college degrees.

The irony is that many of those who now deride the vaccines also objected to lockdowns, social distancing, and the wearing of masks. In a rational world, they would see the vaccines as a ticket back to normal life.

Instead, at this moment, they have chosen to go full anti-vax. Even with hundreds of thousands of dead, and hospitals again filling up, the lies continue; media types tell them to get clicks and likes; pols spread the lies to raise their profile and bring in cash.

And their recklessness will kill people. This is not hyperbole.

The toll of the lies —the tweets, cable hits, and performative demagoguery — can be measured in human lives. The right’s burst of dishonesty means that more fathers, mothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, even children will die.

How to describe the enormity of the malignancy here? Words like “irrational” and “insane,” don’t cover it.

In the law, however, there is category known as “depraved indifference to human life,” which “reflects a wicked, evil or inhuman state of mind, as manifested by brutal, heinous and despicable acts. It is evinced by conduct that is wanton, deficient in a moral sense of concern, and devoid of regard for the life or lives of others.”

It fits.

Biden said that " we have Covid-19 on the run" and that "his nationwide vaccination plan are working better than expected." Seems that there is some serious fake news going on here.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Biden said that " we have Covid-19 on the run" and that "his nationwide vaccination plan are working better than expected." Seems that there is some serious fake news going on here.

Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.
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"Loyal opposition. That's a bit better than the opposition that CNN, NBC, CBS, PBS and the other left leaning networks and media pounded Trump with. Good attempt at balancing the massive fake news from the left with fake news from the right.

Murdoch said "The main beneficiary of the Trump administration from a ratings point of view was MSNBC ... and that’s because they were the loyal opposition," Murdoch said of the rival cable network. That’s what our job is now with the Biden administration, and you’ll see our ratings really improve from here."

He didn't mention fighting against the vaccine. I don't watch TV. But I see a lot of videos from the major news networks. Most of the Fox videos re the vaccine were for it. Some pointed out various drawbacks. Some of the farther right ones like Dobbs (whom Fox got rid of) had more negative things to say about the lockdowns and questioned the negative views about hydroxychloroquine, et. al. But, mostly, I didn't see an effort to stop people from getting vaccines. Hey, they kept reminding us and bragging on it that Trump was responsible for getting them in such a short amount of time.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

"Loyal opposition. That's a bit better than the opposition that CNN, NBC, CBS, PBS and the other left leaning networks and media pounded Trump with. Good attempt at balancing the massive fake news from the left with fake news from the right.

Murdoch said "The main beneficiary of the Trump administration from a ratings point of view was MSNBC ... and that’s because they were the loyal opposition," Murdoch said of the rival cable network. That’s what our job is now with the Biden administration, and you’ll see our ratings really improve from here."

He didn't mention fighting against the vaccine. I don't watch TV. But I see a lot of videos from the major news networks. Most of the Fox videos re the vaccine were for it. Some pointed out various drawbacks. Some of the farther right ones like Dobbs (whom Fox got rid of) had more negative things to say about the lockdowns and questioned the negative views about hydroxychloroquine, et. al. But, mostly, I didn't see an effort to stop people from getting vaccines. Hey, they kept reminding us and bragging on it that Trump was responsible for getting them in such a short amount of time.

Poor victim, look around the Democrats are focusing on bread-and-butter issues while their Republican counterparts get big mad about Dr. Seuss’s self-cancellation and Caravans! All Lives Matter! CNN and Fredo! Flag Burning! Murder Antifa! Kneeling NFL Players!
And then claiming that "The tourists weren't yelling 'Hang Mike Pence,' they were yelling 'Hang My Pants'"

Republican bigwigs spent last weekend participating in an anti-vaccine, election truthing freak show in Texas that could best be described as All Culture; No Cattle. And the entire party unified last week around the fabricated and deadly culture war that vilifies public servants who are simply trying to offer people a life-saving vaccine in the comfort of their own home.

Now with Newsmax and OANN pushing the right further into lala land, never mind those lefties at Fox, you have a Newsmax host suggesting vaccines are “against nature,” and some diseases are “supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people”

Well, I mean he's right. Vaccines do "go against nature." Same for antibiotics, heart surgery, and, well, MEDICINE. They all help fight off the entropy, decay, and death of the natural world. The only thing idiotic here is that he seems to think that maybe that's a bad thing.
I'm thinking cooking food, wearing clothes, and living inside homes with air conditioning, heat, and plumbing goes against nature. We weren't meant to live like that.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor victim, look around the Democrats are focusing on bread-and-butter issues while their Republican counterparts get big mad about Dr. Seuss’s self-cancellation and Caravans! All Lives Matter! CNN and Fredo! Flag Burning! Murder Antifa! Kneeling NFL Players!
And then claiming that "The tourists weren't yelling 'Hang Mike Pence,' they were yelling 'Hang My Pants'"

Republican bigwigs spent last weekend participating in an anti-vaccine, election truthing freak show in Texas that could best be described as All Culture; No Cattle. And the entire party unified last week around the fabricated and deadly culture war that vilifies public servants who are simply trying to offer people a life-saving vaccine in the comfort of their own home.

Now with Newsmax and OANN pushing the right further into lala land, never mind those lefties at Fox, you have a Newsmax host suggesting vaccines are “against nature,” and some diseases are “supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people”

Well, I mean he's right. Vaccines do "go against nature." Same for antibiotics, heart surgery, and, well, MEDICINE. They all help fight off the entropy, decay, and death of the natural world. The only thing idiotic here is that he seems to think that maybe that's a bad thing.
I'm thinking cooking food, wearing clothes, and living inside homes with air conditioning, heat, and plumbing goes against nature. We weren't meant to live like that.

You're actually worse than CNN or Rachel Maddow. That's some really foaming at the mouth loose bowels type of logorrhea. MSNBC could use you to jack their ratings back up now that Trump is gone.

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If you’re hunting for conspiracy theories, how about this one:

Trump carried out a conspiracy to misinform the public about the pandemic & many people died as a result.

Sometimes you don’t even need to look in the shadows for the conspiracy when one is right out in the open.
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