In Fake News we trust.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you’re hunting for conspiracy theories, how about this one:

Trump carried out a conspiracy to misinform the public about the pandemic & many people died as a result.

Sometimes you don’t even need to look in the shadows for the conspiracy when one is right out in the open.
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I think you started that conspiracy theory. At least on this forum. As far as I'm concerned, to use a phrase that you relentless ad-nauseum anti-Trumpers like to fakely throw around, it has been "debunked."

[Pete F.]

If you’re hunting for conspiracy theories, how about this one:

Trump carried out a conspiracy to misinform the public about the pandemic & many people died as a result.

Sometimes you don’t even need to look in the shadows for the conspiracy when one is right out in the open.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you’re hunting for conspiracy theories, how about this one:

Trump carried out a conspiracy to misinform the public about the pandemic & many people died as a result.

Sometimes you don’t even need to look in the shadows for the conspiracy when one is right out in the open.
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I think you started that conspiracy theory. At least on this forum. As far as I'm concerned, to use a phrase that you relentless ad-nauseum anti-Trumpers like to fakely throw around, it has been "debunked."

[Pete F.]

600,000 dead Americans would disagree if they still could
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

600,000 dead Americans would disagree if they still could
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Much, much more dead were predicted in the beginning stages and your adding a hundred thousand under Biden and Trump made it possible to get the vaccines way, way sooner than what the old system would have required and the Dems, if their initial criticisms of Warp Speed are an indication, would have gone through the old system and far more deaths would be going on for a few more years and the U.S. mortality rate was lower than many of the major and more "successful" countries such as Germany. And various governors, who were responsible for carrying out pandemic procedures failed to do so and were more directly responsible for deaths in their states.

But, of course, none of that fits your conspiracy theory. Because you hate Trump so much, you prefer the rabid negative proclamations of our anti-Trump fake news agencies.

And you hate Trump so much that you give the real and obvious culprit, China, a pass.

[Pete F.]

Obviously as Candace Owen says
"COVID-19 is nothing but a big cover for communist rule hitting the shores of the West"
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[Pete F.]

Why is it that when people dig into the people you cite, they turn out to lifelong frauds?

Tucker Carlson's first grade teacher called him out for lying about her.
The Fox News broadcaster blamed the teacher, whom he identified as Mrs. Raymond, for his longtime hatred for liberals, calling the educator "a parody of earth-mother liberalism" who "wore long Indian-print skirts" and was so terrible at her job that his wealthy father was forced to hire a private tutor, but the Washington Post tracked her down for comment.
“Oh my God," said retired teacher Marianna Raymond. "That is the most embellished, crazy thing I ever heard."

Raymond, now 77 years old, denied crying at her desk, wearing Indian skirts or discussing her politics in class, but she praised her former student Carlson as "very precious and very, very polite and sweet."
She also confirmed that Carlson's father hired a tutor to help him with his school work, but Raymond told the newspaper that she was the tutor.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Obviously as Candace Owen says
"COVID-19 is nothing but a big cover for communist rule hitting the shores of the West"
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It's also a cover for you to rag on Trump.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Why is it that when people dig into the people you cite, they turn out to lifelong frauds?

I've cited several of the same people you've cited. That must mean you've cited frauds. More to the point. You have blatantly lied on this forum. Your a fraud. And you depend on media frauds to provide you with narratives.

Tucker Carlson's first grade teacher called him out for lying about her.
The Fox News broadcaster blamed the teacher, whom he identified as Mrs. Raymond, for his longtime hatred for liberals, calling the educator "a parody of earth-mother liberalism" who "wore long Indian-print skirts" and was so terrible at her job that his wealthy father was forced to hire a private tutor, but the Washington Post tracked her down for comment.
“Oh my God," said retired teacher Marianna Raymond. "That is the most embellished, crazy thing I ever heard."

Raymond, now 77 years old, denied crying at her desk, wearing Indian skirts or discussing her politics in class, but she praised her former student Carlson as "very precious and very, very polite and sweet."
She also confirmed that Carlson's father hired a tutor to help him with his school work, but Raymond told the newspaper that she was the tutor.
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She said Tucker was "very precious and very, very polite and sweet." I doubt she would have said that about you if she had read your posts.

Maybe she's lying. Or maybe Tucker is a very, very polite and sweet liar. Maybe he misremembered and embellished her liberalism like you embellish Trump's foibles and misstatements or outright lie about what he said.

I think she might very well have said, about many of your anti-Trump posts "That is the most embellished, crazy thing I ever heard."

[Pete F.]

Silly propogandist, when you'll lie about something from the first grade, you'll lie about anything.

You consistently repeat the fable that Trump is an honest man who puts anything ahead of his own interests.

Propaganda isn't just getting people to believe lies; it's about changing the way people think about themselves and the world. Polarization is just the beginning.

Here's a lesson on use of right-wing authoritarian tactics. Polarization brings survivalism: "it's our way or the apocalypse." Stoke fear w/triggering keywords to create appetite for authoritarian rule. Make violence - say, Jan 6- into patriotic act to "save the nation."

The Oathkeepers leader schmoozing with the GOP establishment at CPAC tells everything you need to know about the state of the Republican Party today.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Silly propogandist, when you'll lie about something from the first grade, you'll lie about anything.

That's a lie. It's propaganda to say such a thing.

You consistently repeat the fable that Trump is an honest man who puts anything ahead of his own interests.

What?!!? Another lie. When have I said that?

Propaganda isn't just getting people to believe lies; it's about changing the way people think about themselves and the world. Polarization is just the beginning.

It's what you do. You're doing it in this thread. As you have done over and over in your never-ending anti-Trump invectives.

Here's a lesson on use of right-wing authoritarian tactics. Polarization brings survivalism: "it's our way or the apocalypse." Stoke fear w/triggering keywords to create appetite for authoritarian rule. Make violence - say, Jan 6- into patriotic act to "save the nation."

What's so right-wingish about that. That Applies to authoritarian tactics of all wings.

The Oathkeepers leader schmoozing with the GOP establishment at CPAC tells everything you need to know about the state of the Republican Party today.

Yeah well the Republican Party of today is more Progressive than the Party of Reagan. And the Democrat Party is more authoritarian than the Progressive Democrats of before, certainly more so than the Party of JFK. The Democrats have their authoritarian fellow travelers, from the Progressives, to Antifa, to the socialists, to The Communist Party USA.

And it's another of your lies to say the Oathkeepers leader schmoozing with the GOP establishment at CPAC tells EVERYTHING you need to know about the state of the Republican Party today. There's a lot more going on with the G.O.P than that--whatever even that is.

You embellish, you exaggerate, you distort, you lie--good grief!! No telling what junk you must be hiding or lying about from the first grade!

[Pete F.]

Trump referred to insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt as “an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman,” and said “if that were on the other side, the person that did the shooting would be strung up and hung.” He's calling for the lynching of a Capitol police officer. And he's a traitor.
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[Pete F.]

Trump at CPAC: "If it's bad, I say it's fake. If it's good, I say, that's the most accurate poll perhaps ever."

He’s literally telling you he’s bull#^&#^&#^&#^&ting you and you still eat it up with a can of Goya beans
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump referred to insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt as “an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman,” and said “if that were on the other side, the person that did the shooting would be strung up and hung.” He's calling for the lynching of a Capitol police officer. And he's a traitor.
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There you go again. He's not calling for a "lynching" of the police officer. He's making the comparison, true or not, of the reaction of the corporate press, the Dems, the black social justice groups. the race hustlers, and leftists of various sorts to a black police officer killing an unarmed white woman vs. their reactions when white police officers kill unarmed black men.

By your standards for Trump lying, you're lying again. A sort of the fake news you consistently spew on the forum.

[Pete F.]

You are so easily led

1. In 2020, Critical Race Theory was an obscure academic theory

In 2021, a chorus of voices claims CRT an existential threat to the country

Who is financing this effort?

We've identified an obscure foundation funding at least 21 groups attacking CRT
2. Non-profits and media orgs promoting anti-CRT hysteria keep their funding SECRET

Private foundations, however, have to disclose their spending to the IRS

Looking at this data, one group kept appearing again and again: The Thomas W. Smith Foundation
3. Who is Thomas W. Smith? He runs a hedge fund out of Boca Raton Florida and keeps a low profile

His foundation has no website, but is run by James Piereson, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute

Piereson is prolific and provides insight into what motives the foundation's giving
4. Piereson opposes all efforts to address economic or racial inequality -- even those undertaken by private charities.

He wrote about this in a series of columns published in 2019.

5. Piereson also opposes classes dedicated to the study of women, Black people, or the LGBTQ community in universities, saying these topics lack "academic rigor."
6. Piereson claims that "racial bigotry and violence against women" is not a big problem on college campuses, calling concern about such issues "irrational."

This is the person who is funding a constellation of groups attacking CRT
7. It would be hard for Piereson and the Thomas W. Smith foundation to generate excitement around tired arguments opposing diversity and racial equality.

It's easier to advocate against CRT, a term that sounds scary but no one really understands.
8. A popular.info investigation found that between 2017 and 2019, the Thomas W. Smith foundation donated $12.75 million to at least 21 organizations attacking CRT.

(The foundation's 2020 spending won't be available until later this year.)
9. The top recipient of money from the Thomas W. Smith Foundation is the Manhattan Institute.

It received $4.32 million from 2017 to 2019.

It employs Chris Rufo, who is the leading source of misinfo on CRT

Smith sits on the Manhattan Institute board
10. Other major recipients of money from the Charles W. Smith Foundation include The Heritage Foundation (525K), ALEC (425K), and the State Policy Network (3.57M), three organizations behind the flood of state legislation to ban CRT
11. The Thomas W Smith Foundation is also funding numerous media orgs that are producing an avalanche of anti-CRT columns & "reporting"

@DailyCaller (100K)
@FDRLST (100K)
@NRO (45K)
@prageru (100K)
@RealClearPR (200K)
@amspectator (210K)
@amconmag (100K)
12. The actual spending by the Thomas W. Smith foundation on anti-CRT efforts is likely much higher since we don't have 2020 spending and many of the groups set up specifically to attack CRT were not created until 2020
13. Popular.info will continue to peel back the onion and keep you informed.

We always follow the money.

For updates and accountability journalism, sign up
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump at CPAC: "If it's bad, I say it's fake. If it's good, I say, that's the most accurate poll perhaps ever."

He’s literally telling you he’s bull#^&#^&#^&#^&ting you and you still eat it up with a can of Goya beans
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You keep lying. You can't stop. I don't eat Goya beans.

[Pete F.]

Are you claiming Trump did not say that, don’t believe your lying eyes and ears
It’s on tape
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

You are so easily led

1. In 2020, Critical Race Theory was an obscure academic theory

In 2021, a chorus of voices claims CRT an existential threat to the country

The obscure "academic theory" somehow metastasized into being required to be taught or trained in Federal and other government agencies and public schools throughout the country. Did you look into who funded that? Or who funded Black Lives Matter? Or who funded Antifa? There's a lot of funding, political and otherwise, that goes into changing, or fundamentally transforming the country. If you've got a minute to spare from your insane immersion into the various leftist and anti- Trump sagas you regale us with, you might look into that. Doubt that it's any concern to you.

Curious that you didn't substantively debate the videos on CRT that I posted, but merely tried to somehow discredit them. Even in this post, you don't discuss CRT, you somehow attempt to make the anti-CRT'rs look bad. More of your deceptive sort of forum fake news?

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Are you claiming Trump did not say that, don’t believe your lying eyes and ears

I did not claim that he said that. Are you using your usual insinuation, conjecture, implying method, this time by asking an insinuating question to plant the notion that I claim something that I don't nor even implied that I claim it? Your sly fakery?

It’s on tape
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Oh, on tape . . . did you get the rest of the transcript? Here's the context in which he said it:

"Donald Trump: (01:00:23)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. No, I said to Matt and Mercedes because I’ve done this and we’ve had… And by the way, you have a poll coming out. Unfortunately, I want to know what it is they… You know, they do that straw poll, right? Now, if it’s bad, I just say, “It’s fake.” If it’s good, I say, “That’s the most accurate poll perhaps ever.” And I know that they it. I guess it gets announced after… I want to find out, are you going to…?

Donald Trump: (01:00:55)
Oh, he won’t. He won’t tell me. I know Matt, he won’t tell me. Well, whenever the hell they get it released. I’ll tell you, here’s the story. If it’s bad, it’ll be front page news in the newspapers. If it’s great, they won’t even cover it. I hate to tell you that, Matt. And I don’t want to convince him to do a bad Poll, but you know the straw poll. So, I did this years ago and I got these great straw polls. It was the first time I ever did it. And I was a novice, but it was right here at CPAC. And I’m so proud of the jump. I mean, look at this room. Look at outside. We have thousands of people trying to come in. I mean our only thing is next time we’ll have to get a bigger place, I guess, right? Next time.

It was in the context of a forthcoming straw poll. He could tell by the success and size of his audience that the result of the straw poll would be very favorable to him. And he knew the fakery of the corporate media which would downplay the result or simply just ignore it.

But "don’t believe your lying eyes and ears." Maintain your narrative, no matter what fakery it takes.

[Pete F.]

He is a master propagandist, isn’t he.
Now spin this
“The president considers using the military to overturn an election. Any president who suggests such a thing doesn’t understand the whole point of American democratic politics. But more than that, the president doesn’t understand the American military."
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

He is a master propagandist, isn’t he.

I have often said that you have a lot in common with him. But you're better at it than him. Your syntax is much clearer than his.

Now spin this
“The president considers using the military to overturn an election. Any president who suggests such a thing doesn’t understand the whole point of American democratic politics. But more than that, the president doesn’t understand the American military."
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Do you have an actual quote or him being "on tape" of him considering that? It's been "reported" that anonymous "insiders" have said so. He says that's fake news. It seems others, such as Flynn, have suggested the possibility of martial law in swing states to commandeer the ballots and discover the supposed fraud or some such thing.

Biden, on the other hand, is on record in a CNN interview with Trevor Noah of saying that he was "absolutely convinced" that the military would escort Trump from the White House if he loses the election but refuses to leave office.

The military is not constitutionally enabled to interfere with internal election affairs. Senior Defense Department leaders have already expressed that there is no role for the military in domestic political disputes. Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy and Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville also issued a joint statement on Friday that “there is no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of an American election.”

If Trump refused to leave, he would have been removed by the Secret Service, not the military.

Biden, as you claim about Trump, "doesn’t understand the American military."

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In the above post #79 in which I provided the context for the Trump quote re how he would portray a straw poll, I assumed the context would make it plain that he wasn't talking about all straw polls in general. That may not have made clear that he was referring to a straw poll that was going to be taken by the CPAC convention he was attending when he said " And by the way, you have a poll coming out". He knew that results of the poll would be heavily in his favor. So if the media had a straw poll whose results looked bad for him he'd say it was fake, and if it was an honest poll and the results were good for him he'd say it was the most accurate ever (done by the media). Typical Trump sarcasm toward the medias constant negative reporting about him.

Sure enough, the results of the CPAC straw poll, as he knew they would were strongly in his favor. 70% said they would vote for him in a primary against the other Republican named candidates.

https://politicodailynewss.com/cpac-...-full-results/

[Pete F.]

🇷🇺 You should soon qualify for the Order of Honor for Excellence in spinning the Puppets speech
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���� You should soon qualify for the Order of Honor for Excellence in spinning the Puppets speech
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Actually, I quoted that whole part of his speech which contained your out of context quote. You used the very common method of selecting a few words out of many in order to spin what is said into fake evidence or demonstrable "proof" of how someone you hate is bad.

First you spun his words in that manner, now you use the common tactic of digressive, immaterial sarcasm to spin my words. The double spin indicates you got nothin'.

[Pete F.]

I remember when the former guy said he’d only hire the best, today he put out a statement.
Spin this

“Nobody had ever heard of some of these people that worked for me in D.C. All of a sudden, the Fake News starts calling them. Some of them—by no means all—feel emboldened, brave, and for the first time in their lives, they feel like "something special," not the losers that they are—and they talk, talk, talk!



Many say I am the greatest star-maker of all time. But some of the stars I produced are actually made of garbage.”
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

I remember when the former guy said he’d only hire the best, today he put out a statement.
Spin this

“Nobody had ever heard of some of these people that worked for me in D.C. All of a sudden, the Fake News starts calling them. Some of them—by no means all—feel emboldened, brave, and for the first time in their lives, they feel like "something special," not the losers that they are—and they talk, talk, talk!



Many say I am the greatest star-maker of all time. But some of the stars I produced are actually made of garbage.”
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It is whatever it is. Donald has another opinion. Not sure why I am supposed to care.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It is whatever it is. Donald has another opinion. Not sure why I am supposed to care.

Hitler never won popular the vote either. Most he ever got was 37%. He used the tools of democracy to destroy it. That’s what fascists do. Wake up.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Hitler never won popular the vote either. Most he ever got was 37%. He used the tools of democracy to destroy it. That’s what fascists do. Wake up.

We are not a democracy. We are a Republic. That is what I am concerned about. Progressives Prefer that we should be a democracy. A democracy informed by and ruled by an unrestricted form of government which functions through the will and decree of the elected elite and the "experts" they appoint to regulate every facet of our lives. It's been awhile since I was awakened to this Progressive desire to transform this country into such a democracy. Wake up.

[Pete F.]

Sometimes when I really want to hurt someone’s feelings I say “I would never pick you to run my coup.”
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sometimes when I really want to hurt someone’s feelings I say “I would never pick you to run my coup.”
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Good to know.