What’s Putin’s Puppet hiding?

[Sea Dangles]

I believe you have an acute case of TDS.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I believe you have an acute case of TDS.
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Says the ranking member of the Trump Defense Squad.
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[Sea Dangles]

I simply support our leader.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I simply support our leader.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I simply support our leader.
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Operative word is simple.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Operative word is simple.
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I know you get confused easily PeteF.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Operative word is simple.
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[Got Stripers]

Trump doesn’t hide anything, his idiot personal lawyer Rudy made it clear what’s going on and someone had the balls to come forward putting their career at risk. I don’t know who is crazier Rudy or Trump, but they all ignore the law and norms, they will push the limit until Nancy grows a pair.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Operative word is simple.
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Hey Stupe,Simply.
Not simple.
Even pAul is laughing at you. In his “I will blow you” emoticon.
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This story just keeps getting worse.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

This story just keeps getting worse.
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Story or fable?
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[Got Stripers]

Trump is the larger version of our own Fall River mayor, corruption in plain site, going to ignore law, ignore norms, ignore everything and everyone until someone has the balls to stop him. Most corrupt president of our lifetime, his legacy will not be the SD line, just wait for history to catch up to him.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Hey Stupe,Simply.
Not simple.
Even pAul is laughing at you. In his “I will blow you” emoticon.
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Grow up
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump is the larger version of our own Fall River mayor, corruption in plain site, going to ignore law, ignore norms, ignore everything and everyone until someone has the balls to stop him. Most corrupt president of our lifetime, his legacy will not be the SD line, just wait for history to catch up to him.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Grow up
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Smarten up
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[Pete F.]

The most remarkable part of the Ukraine story is that it has Trump trying to collude with a foreign power to influence his next election shortly after the Special Counsel wrapped up its investigation of whether Trump colluded with a foreign power to influence the last one.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The most remarkable part of the Ukraine story is that it has Trump trying to collude with a foreign power to influence his next election shortly after the Special Counsel wrapped up its investigation of whether Trump colluded with a foreign power to influence the last one.
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This is silly. Biden and his son surely did nothing wrong. How would an investigation help Trump?

Now there have been "reports" of Biden and son misdoings in Ukraine. So, I guess, there should be investigations. My understanding, in the milieu of current political thought, if reports or accusations are made, investigations must follow.

[Pete F.]

I have no problem with another investigation into this.
I have a big problem with means and methods

7 April

Rudy Giuliani alleges on Fox News that former vice-president Joe Biden was involved while in office in irregular activity in Ukraine. The lawyer claims Biden pressed for the dismissal of a top Ukrainian prosecutor who had been leading a corruption investigation into a gas company on whose board Biden’s son Hunter had served.
Ukraine imbroglio confirms Giuliani's as Trump's most off-kilter advocate
25 April

Biden launches his presidential campaign.
1 May

The New York Times reports that Giuliani has been urging Ukraine to conduct a new investigation into the activities of Joe and Hunter Biden. “Giuliani called Mr Trump excitedly to brief him on his findings,” the paper says.
10 May

Giuliani cancels a trip to Ukraine. He had planned to travel to Kiev to put pressure on President-elect Volodymyr Zelensky to reopen investigations, in the hope of dredging up dirt on the Bidens. The lawyer described the aim of his aborted visit as “meddling in an investigation” and admitted “somebody could say it’s improper”.
20 May

Zelensky assumes the Ukrainian presidency.
25 July

Key telephone call takes place, between Trump and Zelensky. The call now appears to be at the centre of the whistleblower complaint filed the following month.
12 August

Whistleblower complaint is filed by a member of the intelligence community, raising an “urgent concern” relating to the president’s actions.
21 August

Giuliani reveals that in August he travelled to Madrid to meet a top Ukrainian official, Andriy Yermak. He “strongly urged” Yermak to reinvestigate the Bidens, among other matters. “Just investigate the darn things,” Giuliani says he told the official. The lawyer insists he is acting as a “private citizen”, though it later emerges the meeting was arranged with the help of Kurt Volker, US envoy to Ukraine.
9 September

Leading Democrats in Congress write to the White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, requesting all documents relating to any effort by Trump to put pressure on the Ukrainian government to help with his re-election bid. The letter accuses Trump and Giuliani of acting “outside legitimate law enforcement and diplomatic channels” to harm Biden’s campaign.
13 September

Adam Schiff, Democratic chair of the House intelligence committee, subpoenas the Trump administration, demanding that the whistleblower complaint be handed over. Refusal to do so by the director of national intelligence, a Trump appointee, sparks an constitutional tug-of-war.
18 September

The Washington Post reveals that the whistleblower complaint concerns Trump’s “communications with a foreign leader” and a “promise” that was regarded as “troubling”.
19 September

Giuliani is interviewed by Chris Cuomo on CNN and in a heated exchange at first denies that he asked Ukraine to investigate Biden. About 30 seconds later, he reverses himself. “Of course I did,” he says.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The most remarkable part of the Ukraine story is that it has Trump trying to collude with a foreign power to influence his next election shortly after the Special Counsel wrapped up its investigation of whether Trump colluded with a foreign power to influence the last one.
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they are going to lock you up Peto

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I have no problem with another investigation into this.
I have a big problem with means and methods

Good, let's investigate the Biden's activities in Ukraine. That, of course, would involve the Ukraine legal apparatus.

Do you have a problem with this story in Redstate:

What do I win?
Earlier this morning, I wrote a piece predicting that this story about Trump and Ukraine, supposedly involving a quid pro quo and an investigation request into Joe Biden, would blow up. The centerpiece of this was Biden being on tape bragging that he threatened to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn’t fire a prosecutor. That prosecutor just happened to be going after his son’s company. Just a coincidence, I’m assured.

Somehow though, this became a Trump scandal because a supposed “whistle-blower” claimed that the President had pressured Ukraine to investigate Biden’s very apparent corruption. I know, it makes no sense, but that’s how it works in the age of orange man bad. Somehow being on tape extorting a country wasn’t a big deal, but Trump wanting an investigation into it by our ally was impeachable. The media immediately went into leak and supposition mode, claiming that Trump had threatened the new Ukrainian President by withholding of $250 million in military aid they desperately needed.
This was it we were told. It was the scandal that would finally bring Trump down. And then, like always happens, more information started to trickle out that countered the hysteria.

Per The Wall Street Journal:
President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden ’s son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter.
“He told him that he should work with [Mr. Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know” whether allegations were true or not, one of the people said. Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation…
And there it is. There was no quid-pro-quo. He did not threaten to withhold military aid. He simply asked several times on a single phone call for them to look into it. He never even called back to press the issue further. None of the nonsensical gnashing of teeth we heard all day about this supposedly being an impeachment bombshell is true. A President asked an ally to investigate corruption that Biden himself admitted to on tape.
Some still can’t let this go though. We have certain conservatives of the anti-Trump bent asserting that the President didn’t actually have to say the words to be asking for a quid-pro-quo. Actually, yes, yes he does have to say the words. Especially when we know the military aid went through anyway despite no investigation being opened by Ukraine. The idea that we are now going to go after Trump based on suppositions of what Ukraine should have deemed from a perfectly legal request is asinine.
Look, I realize some had a lot invested in this, but how many times must they learn this lesson? How hard is it to wait 24 hours and see what else comes out? If a story fits a partisan narrative too perfectly, it’s probably not true or lacking context.
The other thing I’m hearing is that even if this wasn’t illegal or impeachable, it was still wrong because he asked a foreign leader to help him in a way that would benefit him politically. Frankly, I could not care less. These are the new rules. In 2016, the Obama administration went after the Trump campaign based on what they claimed were legitimate suspicions. We have Biden on tape. I’d say that’s a legitimate suspicion. Further, the DNC used Ukraine to get dirt on Paul Manafort. The Hillary campaign hired a foreign spy to build a dossier of opposition research on Trump. So spare me the moral lectures on using foreign sources.
This is politics, not religion and the only way you gather information on corruption by opponents in foreign countries is by using foreign sources. Democrats, the media, and some anti-Trump Republicans do not get to change the rules all the sudden when they don’t benefit them anymore. The precedent was set in 2016 and they will be made to live by it.
Meanwhile, the scramble is on to try to salvage what little is left of this story exploding in their faces. We’ll get all the usual excuses and claims that even though Trump didn’t do it, he’s still bad. The Washington Post will push out a dozen editorials all saying the same thing. The song and dance never changes. For all practical purposes though, this story is dead and done as far as Trump goes.
Biden’s involvement on the other hand? That story will only grow.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Biden being on tape bragging that he threatened to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn’t fire a prosecutor. That prosecutor just happened to be going after his son’s company. Just a coincidence,

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geeze...I wonder why the dummycraps aren't calling for an investigation of this?

[Pete F.]

Here’s the problem with it
The viral image said that when Hunter Biden was serving as "a director to Ukraine’s largest private gas producer," his father "threatened to withhold $1 BILLION in U.S. aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into" the gas company.

The image gets individual pieces of this assertion right -- Hunter Biden was a director of the company, and Joe Biden did leverage U.S. aid to fire a prosecutor. But it overreaches by assuming that Joe Biden acted to protect the company his son was affiliated with. In reality, there was widespread agreement in the West that the existing prosecutor had to go, and it’s not clear that the company would have benefited from his ouster anyway, given evidence that its cases had long been dormant.

That said, experts criticize the Bidens for their arrangement, saying it could have been a significant conflict of interest.

Now look at Trump and follow the Kushner financing of his 666 property.
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[Sea Dangles]

Good job
Another gotcha!
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s the problem with it
The viral image said that when Hunter Biden was serving as "a director to Ukraine’s largest private gas producer," his father "threatened to withhold $1 BILLION in U.S. aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into" the gas company.

The image gets individual pieces of this assertion right -- Hunter Biden was a director of the company, and Joe Biden did leverage U.S. aid to fire a prosecutor. But it overreaches by assuming that Joe Biden acted to protect the company his son was affiliated with. In reality, there was widespread agreement in the West that the existing prosecutor had to go, and it’s not clear that the company would have benefited from his ouster anyway, given evidence that its cases had long been dormant.

That said, experts criticize the Bidens for their arrangement, saying it could have been a significant conflict of interest.

Now look at Trump and follow the Kushner financing of his 666 property.
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How about, NOW, we stop all these politically driven "investigations" and get on with actually solving the real problems our Republic has. Its life is hanging on by the threads of its tattered flag and we're wondering if it wouldn't be better to become a socialist "Democracy."

But, what the hell, who cares. I mean the world will end in twelve years if we don't stop eating hamburgers. The world would be better if we all just dissolved the borders that divide us, became an open planet where everyone has free healthcare, free just about everything actually . . . and who wouldn't abandon their present awful religions and authoritarian governments and join We are the People of the World?

[Pete F.]

And you think this con man is the Chosen One.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And you think this con man is the Chosen One.

Since you're not quoting a specific post with yours, not sure if you're referring to me. If you are, I don't know what you mean by "the Chosen One." But it does appear, if you're referring to Trump, that you've chosen him as an object of ceaseless and endless sorts of denigration, slander, belittlement, and thoroughly mean spirited attacks.

As for me, I did vote for him. So that was a choice. And he was the one chosen by me at the ballot box. But I certainly don't view him as a capitalized "Chosen One." He's just a guy, not a Messiah.

You're a Strange Fellow when you attribute thoughts to those who never expressed them--a sort of oracle, mentalist, clairvoyant, but who's powers are too weak to come up with the right vision.

[Sea Dangles]

He just has TDS.
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[Pete F.]

And when the whistleblower turns out to be Dan Coats or Sue Gordon, will you continue to claim BS.
The Toady Lindsey Graham thinks the whistleblower should be prosecuted, for doing something within the law.
If Trumplicans want to end meaningless investigations, they could have started years ago with the endless Clinton ones that Kavanaugh was rewarded for.
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[Sea Dangles]

Thank you for conceding it is a meaningless investigation. At least you validate it as two wrongs trying to make a right.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thank you for conceding it is a meaningless investigation. At least you validate it as two wrongs trying to make a right.
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Inspector General refers a whistleblower complaint as urgent and it’s meaningless?

Who has TDS again?
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