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this video was intentionally released by Obamoids to try to draw out "tea baggers" for a reaction so that the administration and media could attack and impune them as a group as loons, they are losing support and need a wedge issue to use between their fleeing flock and the group of folks that are waving the constitution and yelling.."hey, remember this???"...probably not going to work but watch for feigned shock and horror from the media drones that the "tea baggers" have once again brought up the issue...
remember...this same bunch provocatively marched through the protesters at the Capitol with a giant gavel on their way to vote on the HC legislation and then lied about racial and homophobic slurs and spitting afterward by "tea baggers"....there is no depth that is too low for this bunch....they are shameless and dangerous
Sounds like she just misspoke and forgot to say "father's"...
I guess it would be funny if you were so anti-American you would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system.
Otherwise, it's pretty boring.
-spence
I don't have any doubts as to whether Obama is a natural born US citizen or not. I'm satisfied and he is our elected president.
Funny how just a few years after many on the left were doing the exact same (some could say worse) also "were so anti-American [they] would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system."
Hell, I can find it here on these boards.
Sad part is we have become so polarized as a country and so incapable of working together that we're really in for a bleep storm the next few years.
Funny how just a few years after many on the left were doing the exact same (some could say worse) also "were so anti-American [they] would grasp at ANYTHING to discredit our President and democratic system."
I think there is a difference.
There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.
With Obama it's been an effort to undermine his foundation from the start, and many of the same topics continue to this day. This is why this thread is...and for no other reason.
There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.
With Obama it's been an effort to undermine his foundation from the start, and many of the same topics continue to this day. This is why this thread is...and for no other reason.
-spence
Not what I saw at all Spence. Keep in mind I never once voted for Bush. Remember the viscous attacks before he got elected (Florida for example?), the general attacks along the way with a brief respite after 9/11?
...If you don't support our guy, you're unpatriotic blah blah blah...
I see this on both sides but I also see the media pushing significant bias helping to fuel this. I was watching Chris Matthews for a while tonight and watched him rallying the troops against the "Teabaggers". First for sending in death threats to a WA Senator in which Matthews states the "teabagger" leaving the phone message says this and that and then he continues the piece with Pete Williams and cuts off Pete Williams when ole Pete states it was confirmed that the man issuing the threats was not a "republican", a member of the Tea Bag party. He cut off Williams when ole Pete started squashing his rant.
Then Matthews had a video segment with "racial hate speech" on a congresswoman at some town hall meeting - I heard no racial speech in the segment - and she's cutting off a guy talking about how much programs cost. Since when does discussing how much programs COST constitute hate speech?
Ooops, gotta run - have to go work now to pay taxes for stuff I cannot question about costs for being labeled racist
There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.
With Obama it's been an effort to undermine his foundation from the start, and many of the same topics continue to this day. This is why this thread is...and for no other reason.
-spence
I think it started with he stole the election....twice and got worse from there.
I too believe he is US born. I was shocked to hear otherwise, but who am I to question the First Lady.
Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.
-spence
Wow....how do I make this my signature????
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
There were some on the far left who disliked Bush from the start, but for the most part people gave him the benefit of doubt. It wasn't until the Iraq war started to be revealed for what it was that the mainstream support turned ugly. Hell, I was a Bush supporter on most issues until 2004.
Agreed 100% - I voted for him in the first election (like I did for his dad) and regretted it about 2 -3 months after 9-11. I think he also did a better job near the end of his 2nd term. Too much listening to the cheney and the far right.
Remember the old WWII movies where they ask a baseball question to the spy to see if he's an American?
I thought Communists really like baseball too...Fidel Castro could have named a few...he throws like a mediocre Special Olympian...and he got the name of the White Sox ballpark really...really wrong too....he's a dumbass....and a liar.....they should keep sending him out for these unscripted public appearances...they are quite telling...
If you reallly believe he was born in another country, you should be ashamed of yourselves for doing nothing. File a law suit, go see the FBI, contact your senators, "load your muskets" and march on the white house.
The opposition needs to get ahead of Obama to have any chance. Arguing points of passed initiatives and legislation and the (lack of merit) of the New Deal and the Great Society, fears of communism, loss of freedom, the rise of socialism, is not the way to go....these are abstractions to most people. If I was a rep strategist, I would emphasize the jobs issue.
The opposition needs to get ahead of Obama to have any chance. Arguing points of passed initiatives and legislation and the (lack of merit) of the New Deal and the Great Society, fears of communism, loss of freedom, the rise of socialism, is not the way to go....these are abstractions to most people. If I was a rep strategist, I would emphasize the jobs issue.
it's always a good idea to take strategic advise from your opposition
If you reallly believe he was born in another country, you should be ashamed of yourselves for doing nothing. File a law suit, go see the FBI, contact your senators, "load your muskets" and march on the white house.
What are you a bunch of internet heros?
I'm ashamed to say....I believe he is a born American.
Listening to some of you guys is like changing the channel on the radio to one that just has static. There's no content, the message never changes and after about 5 seconds, it gets overwhelmingly irritating.
There's a fine line between complaining and whining. Some of you guys have more than blown past the line and are far, far into the whining side.
Listening to some of you guys is like changing the channel on the radio to one that just has static. There's no content, the message never changes and after about 5 seconds, it gets overwhelmingly irritating.
There's a fine line between complaining and whining. Some of you guys have more than blown past the line and are far, far into the whining side.
Not what I saw at all Spence. Keep in mind I never once voted for Bush. Remember the viscous attacks before he got elected (Florida for example?), the general attacks along the way with a brief respite after 9/11?
There's always a fringe that will dog the opponent, but the Liberal fringe is really quite small. I don't remember a mainstream disdain for Bush for his first year though...
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I see this on both sides but I also see the media pushing significant bias helping to fuel this. I was watching Chris Matthews for a while tonight and watched him rallying the troops against the "Teabaggers". First for sending in death threats to a WA Senator in which Matthews states the "teabagger" leaving the phone message says this and that and then he continues the piece with Pete Williams and cuts off Pete Williams when ole Pete states it was confirmed that the man issuing the threats was not a "republican", a member of the Tea Bag party. He cut off Williams when ole Pete started squashing his rant.
Then Matthews had a video segment with "racial hate speech" on a congresswoman at some town hall meeting - I heard no racial speech in the segment - and she's cutting off a guy talking about how much programs cost. Since when does discussing how much programs COST constitute hate speech?
Mathews is out to make hay like any TV personality is. He's certainly not a Republican, but not a big liberal either. He's more like an O'Riley who thinks they are a journalist, neither are ideologues but Chris doesn't have Bill's self serving ego.
All that being said...the language and attitude towards Obama isn't like what I saw at Bush 43 at all. There's a very legitimate policy reaction, but also something underneath it all...something disturbing.
There's always a fringe that will dog the opponent, but the Liberal fringe is really quite small (minded). I don't remember a mainstream disdain for Bush for his first year though...what?...are you Rumpelstiltskin or something?
Mathews is out to make hay like any TV personality is. He's certainly not a Republican wow...that's some revelation, but not a big liberal either I just wet myself laughing. He's more like an O'Riley who thinks they are a journalist, neither are ideologues but Chris doesn't have Bill's self serving ego haaaaaaaaaaaa.
All that being said...the language and attitude towards Obama isn't like what I saw at Bush 43 at all. There's a very legitimate policy reaction, but also something underneath it all...something disturbing.probably RACISM
here's Barry's problem, aside from being a lousy president...like most narcisists..he holds and displays utter disdain and contempt for anyone that does not worship him...he's mostly fraudulent, pathalogically dishonest and completely inept at what really is needed right now and instead is determined to move a radical agenda forward regardless of the consequences....that is going to result in a lot of people really disliking you..
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