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Old 11-09-2018, 09:03 AM   #1
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How about that migrant caravan ??

Not a peep about it since the election.

Fear buys votes I guess.
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Old 11-09-2018, 09:14 AM   #2
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I heard they are down to just two members...Mary and Joseph
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Old 11-09-2018, 09:22 AM   #3
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Still in the news
Daily Digit is the story behind the numbers that make our world work. Today we’re looking at the advancing migrant caravan. According to U.S. defense officials, President Trump’s move to send troops to the U.S.-Mexico border could cost taxpayers $220 million. This figure could change depending on the size and scope of the mission. The Department of Defense estimates that 7,000 troops will be placed in California, Arizona and Texas in order to stop a caravan of 3,500 Central Americans seeking asylum, but President Trump has said he wants to send 15,000 troops to the border. The president has referred to the caravan as an “invasion”; however, a Pentagon risk assessment reportedly found that the caravan did not pose a threat to the United States.

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I am not sure what is sadder. That the Pres. lies to his base about the migrant hoard of jacked up thyphus and black fever infested invaders rushing to invade our country and rape our women before they die or that his base believes him.
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I am not sure what is sadder. That the Pres. lies to his base about the migrant hoard of jacked up thyphus and black fever infested invaders rushing to invade our country and rape our women before they die or that his base believes him.
pretty much sums it up.

meanwhile the rich are enjoying those tax breaks that will equate to debt being passed to our great great great grand kids.....
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:08 AM   #6
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I am not sure what is sadder. That the Pres. lies to his base about the migrant hoard of jacked up thyphus and black fever infested invaders rushing to invade our country and rape our women before they die or that his base believes him.
What is sad is your selective hyper-exaggeration (a sort of lie by the standards you apply to calling Trump's exaggerations and omissions lies).
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:17 AM   #7
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pretty much sums it up.

meanwhile the rich are enjoying those tax breaks that will equate to debt being passed to our great great great grand kids.....
It's a bit late to bring attention to the debt being passed on to our grandkids. That debt was already achieved before Trump. And there is no way to fix that if we must continue to fund all the federal "programs" that already were in the books before Trump. Adding to what is already unsustainable by adequately funding the military, which is actually one of the relatively few but hugely important duties of Congress and the President, can only be corrected by decreasing and eliminating the host of federal programs that should be left to local governments and individual citizens.

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A reminder that Mr Trump has repeatedly said that the caravan, involving many families fleeing violence in their home countries, is full of criminals and "tough fighters". He has not offered any evidence for his claims.

"The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great-but must suffer the consequences!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)


Trump: Migrant caravan 'is an invasion'

"This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!" the president tweeted.

Trump offered no evidence while claiming there are "Many Gang Members and some very bad people" traveling in the caravan.


Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 29, 2018

Questioned repeatedly about the claim on Tuesday, Trump conceded that “there’s no proof of anything” but that terrorists “could very well be” among the group. “I think there’s a very good chance you have people in there,” he said.



Vice President Mike Pence earlier in the day asserted that “it’s inconceivable that there are not people of Middle Eastern descent in a crowd of more than 7,000 people advancing toward our border.”

Pence also said in remarks at a Washington Post event that “in the last fiscal year, we apprehended more than 10 terrorists or suspected terrorists per day at our southern border.”




The administration officials said Pence spoke inaccurately. The figure he cited was the overall number of known or suspected terrorists stopped from entering the country at all ports of entry. The U.S. maintains a global watch list of people with suspected terrorist connections who can be prevented from entering.
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A reminder that Mr Trump has repeatedly said that the caravan, involving many families fleeing violence in their home countries, is full of criminals and "tough fighters". He has not offered any evidence for his claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JIfBBOv0CPg
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Presidential Proclamation Addressing Mass Migration Through the Southern Border of the United States
IMMIGRATION

Issued on: November 9, 2018
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The United States expects the arrival at the border between the United States and Mexico (southern border) of a substantial number of aliens primarily from Central America who appear to have no lawful basis for admission into our country. They are traveling in large, organized groups through Mexico and reportedly intend to enter the United States unlawfully or without proper documentation and to seek asylum, despite the fact that, based on past experience, a significant majority will not be eligible for or be granted that benefit. Many entered Mexico unlawfully — some with violence — and have rejected opportunities to apply for asylum and benefits in Mexico. The arrival of large numbers of aliens will contribute to the overloading of our immigration and asylum system and to the release of thousands of aliens into the interior of the United States. The continuing and threatened mass migration of aliens with no basis for admission into the United States through our southern border has precipitated a crisis and undermines the integrity of our borders. I therefore must take immediate action to protect the national interest, and to maintain the effectiveness of the asylum system for legitimate asylum seekers who demonstrate that they have fled persecution and warrant the many special benefits associated with asylum.

In recent weeks, an average of approximately 2,000 inadmissible aliens have entered each day at our southern border. In Fiscal Year 2018 overall, 124,511 aliens were found inadmissible at ports of entry on the southern border, while 396,579 aliens were apprehended entering the United States unlawfully between such ports of entry. The great number of aliens who cross unlawfully into the United States through the southern border consumes tremendous resources as the Government seeks to surveil, apprehend, screen, process, and detain them.

Aliens who enter the United States unlawfully or without proper documentation and are subject to expedited removal may avoid being promptly removed by demonstrating, during an initial screening process, a credible fear of persecution or torture. Approximately 2 decades ago, most aliens deemed inadmissible at a port of entry or apprehended after unlawfully entering the United States through the southern border were single adults who were promptly returned to Mexico, and very few asserted a fear of return. Since then, however, there has been a massive increase in fear-of-persecution or torture claims by aliens who enter the United States through the southern border. The vast majority of such aliens are found to satisfy the credible-fear threshold, although only a fraction of the claimants whose claims are adjudicated ultimately qualify for asylum or other protection. Aliens found to have a credible fear are often released into the interior of the United States, as a result of a lack of detention space and a variety of other legal and practical difficulties, pending adjudication of their claims in a full removal proceeding in immigration court. The immigration adjudication process often takes years to complete because of the growing volume of claims and because of the need to expedite proceedings for detained aliens. During that time, many released aliens fail to appear for hearings, do not comply with subsequent orders of removal, or are difficult to locate and remove.

Members of family units pose particular challenges. The Federal Government lacks sufficient facilities to house families together. Virtually all members of family units who enter the United States through the southern border, unlawfully or without proper documentation, and that are found to have a credible fear of persecution, are thus released into the United States. Against this backdrop of near-assurance of release, the number of such aliens traveling as family units who enter through the southern border and claim a credible fear of persecution has greatly increased. And large numbers of family units decide to make the dangerous and unlawful border crossing with their children.

The United States has a long and proud history of offering protection to aliens who are fleeing persecution and torture and who qualify under the standards articulated in our immigration laws, including through our asylum system and the Refugee Admissions Program. But our system is being overwhelmed by migration through our southern border. Crossing the border to avoid detection and then, if apprehended, claiming a fear of persecution is in too many instances an avenue to near-automatic release into the interior of the United States. Once released, such aliens are very difficult to remove. An additional influx of large groups of aliens arriving at once through the southern border would add tremendous strain to an already taxed system, especially if they avoid orderly processing by unlawfully crossing the southern border.

The entry of large numbers of aliens into the United States unlawfully between ports of entry on the southern border is contrary to the national interest, and our law has long recognized that aliens who seek to lawfully enter the United States must do so at ports of entry. Unlawful entry puts lives of both law enforcement and aliens at risk. By contrast, entry at ports of entry at the southern border allows for orderly processing, which enables the efficient deployment of law enforcement resources across our vast southern border.

Failing to take immediate action to stem the mass migration the United States is currently experiencing and anticipating would only encourage additional mass unlawful migration and further overwhelming of the system.

Other presidents have taken strong action to prevent mass migration. In Proclamation 4865 of September 29, 1981 (High Seas Interdiction of Illegal Aliens), in response to an influx of Haitian nationals traveling to the United States by sea, President Reagan suspended the entry of undocumented aliens from the high seas and ordered the Coast Guard to intercept such aliens before they reached United States shores and to return them to their point of origin. In Executive Order 12807 of May 24, 1992 (Interdiction of Illegal Aliens), in response to a dramatic increase in the unlawful mass migration of Haitian nationals to the United States, President Bush ordered additional measures to interdict such Haitian nationals and return them to their home country. The Supreme Court upheld the legality of those measures in Sale v. Haitian Centers Council, Inc., 509 U.S. 155 (1993).

I am similarly acting to suspend, for a limited period, the entry of certain aliens in order to address the problem of large numbers of aliens traveling through Mexico to enter our country unlawfully or without proper documentation. I am tailoring the suspension to channel these aliens to ports of entry, so that, if they enter the United States, they do so in an orderly and controlled manner instead of unlawfully. Under this suspension, aliens entering through the southern border, even those without proper documentation, may, consistent with this proclamation, avail themselves of our asylum system, provided that they properly present themselves for inspection at a port of entry. In anticipation of a large group of aliens arriving in the coming weeks, I am directing the Secretary of Homeland Security to commit additional resources to support our ports of entry at the southern border to assist in processing those aliens — and all others arriving at our ports of entry — as efficiently as possible.

But aliens who enter the United States unlawfully through the southern border in contravention of this proclamation will be ineligible to be granted asylum under the regulation promulgated by the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security that became effective earlier today. Those aliens may, however, still seek other forms of protection from persecution or torture. In addition, this limited suspension will facilitate ongoing negotiations with Mexico and other countries regarding appropriate cooperative arrangements to prevent unlawful mass migration to the United States through the southern border. Thus, this proclamation is also necessary to manage and conduct the foreign affairs of the United States effectively.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), respectively) hereby find that, absent the measures set forth in this proclamation, the entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:

Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. The entry of any alien into the United States across the international boundary between the United States and Mexico is hereby suspended and limited, subject to section 2 of this proclamation. That suspension and limitation shall expire 90 days after the date of this proclamation or the date on which an agreement permits the United States to remove aliens to Mexico in compliance with the terms of section 208(a)(2)(A) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1158(a)(2)(A)), whichever is earlier.

Sec. 2. Scope and Implementation of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 1 of this proclamation shall apply only to aliens who enter the United States after the date of this proclamation.

(b) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to any alien who enters the United States at a port of entry and properly presents for inspection, or to any lawful permanent resident of the United States.

(c) Nothing in this proclamation shall limit an alien entering the United States from being considered for withholding of removal under section 241(b)(3) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1231(b)(3)) or protection pursuant to the regulations promulgated under the authority of the implementing legislation regarding the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, or limit the statutory processes afforded to unaccompanied alien children upon entering the United States under section 279 of title 6, United States Code, and section 1232 of title 8, United States Code.

(d) No later than 90 days after the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall jointly submit to the President, through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, a recommendation on whether an extension or renewal of the suspension or limitation on entry in section 1 of this proclamation is in the interests of the United States.

Sec. 3. Interdiction. The Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall consult with the Government of Mexico regarding appropriate steps — consistent with applicable law and the foreign policy, national security, and public-safety interests of the United States — to address the approach of large groups of aliens traveling through Mexico with the intent of entering the United States unlawfully, including efforts to deter, dissuade, and return such aliens before they physically enter United States territory through the southern border.

Sec. 4. Severability. It is the policy of the United States to enforce this proclamation to the maximum extent possible to advance the interests of the United States. Accordingly:

(a) if any provision of this proclamation, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this proclamation and the application of its other provisions to any other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby; and

(b) if any provision of this proclamation, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid because of the failure to follow certain procedures, the relevant executive branch officials shall implement those procedural requirements to conform with existing law and with any applicable court orders.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This proclamation shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This proclamation is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this
ninth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-third.

DONALD J. TRUMP

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“No lawful reason for entry”

BS- they are looking to apply for asylum.
That’s a big difference from trying to sneak in.
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:27 PM   #12
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Stephen Miller's hand shows there.
His family is ashamed.
All the rest of America should be also.

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Old 11-09-2018, 03:38 PM   #13
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“No lawful reason for entry”

BS- they are looking to apply for asylum.
That’s a big difference from trying to sneak in.
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I'd wonder if 99% of this is already existing law.
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We’re screwed... the snowflake gay ones got here first...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/lgbt-m...other-migrants
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Not a peep about it since the election.

Fear buys votes I guess.
as predicted
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Not a peep about it since the election.

Fear buys votes I guess.
Kinda like the lack of "Innocent black men being gunned down by the police" stories since the 2016 election ended.

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Kinda like the lack of "Innocent black men being gunned down by the police" stories since the 2016 election ended.
Every time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.53c932f81d23
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Newsflash, police have to use their guns once in awhile.

This link really didn't refute what I posted either.

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Kinda like the lack of "Innocent black men being gunned down by the police" stories since the 2016 election ended.
Still in the news quite a bit, especially the officers being held to account.
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No it's not, it used to be an almost weekly occurence on CNN's website for a solid year leading up to the 2016 election. They were interviewing parents and covering the protests in the streets, after the election, barely a mention.

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No it's not, it used to be an almost weekly occurence on CNN's website for a solid year leading up to the 2016 election. They were interviewing parents and covering the protests in the streets, after the election, barely a mention.
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The racist, white nationalist, Nazi,misogynist who hates dark skinned immigrants, DJT (who doesn't do anything) at work:

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Was he drunk?
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Sure. You know . . . like . . . with power. Was probably seething with anger and stamping his foot that he had to fake it, or maybe enjoying the fakery since he always lies. Was secretly thinking, while faking his speechifying, of a way he could deport all these brown skins, even the ones behind and around him whom he had appointed to administrative posts.
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Sure. You know . . . like . . . with power. Was probably seething with anger and stamping his foot that he had to fake it, or maybe enjoying the fakery since he always lies. Was secretly thinking, while faking his speechifying, of a way he could deport all these brown skins, even the ones behind and around him whom he had appointed to administrative posts.
He’s so inclusive, it really is impressive.
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So the video doesn't fit your preferred narrative?
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The racist, white nationalist, Nazi,misogynist who hates dark skinned immigrants, DJT (who doesn't do anything) at work:



once again distracted by Trump's laser pointer ... you love your little snap shots of Trump appearing to be presidential ... while willfully ignoring the totality of his actions and statements outside stage events such as theses ... another email inspired youtube video for a target audience

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Trump is looking younger, most President’s age so fast in office! He is anointed by God������������

President Trump is going to fix the whole world....let us give thanks to God for this

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Thank GOD for a great, magnanimous, transparent "real" authentic lover of all races and our Nation, President.

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The dems are the evil and President Trump is the LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

they sound as if they are in a cult...

so no other POTUS has held such events ? with little fan fair or media coverage ..... say it ain't so
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He spoke with such conviction. I mean he didn’t have to read a pre written speach or even pAuse to find his place.
So presidential. Bravo mister Trump!
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once again distracted by Trump's laser pointer ...

I was not distracted. I was focusing in with my laser pointer to catch him being impolite or disrespectful to brown skinned people. To see if he stomped his foot in a fit of anger at having to host such a group of foreign looking darkies. He was comfortable with them and praised them. And he willingly, politely, respectfully, and genuinely joined in their cultural celebration, and through it became, for the moment, joined as one people.

Your remark about the laser pointer gets me to wondering if your pointer is stuck up your Butt.


you love your little snap shots of Trump appearing to be presidential ...

You seem very agitated by them. To hate them and try to belittle them, to destroy them. Perhaps the point of your pointer is twisted inward and is giving you butt hurt? Might be better to remove it and expose it to the wide open space and light of things hidden to you . . . or which you purposely avoid.

while willfully ignoring the totality of his actions and statements outside stage events such as theses ...

How could I be unaware of his actions and statements with which you and others daily fill the stage of this forum. On the contrary, rather than ignoring the totality, I am filling in the missing parts, the missing scenes of your drama. I'm plugging in things that you willfully avoid and dismiss.

I'm using my pointer to direct you to those things that Make the totality closer to being actually total. But if you insist on keeping yours stuck in that dark place of your nether innards, your efforts will appear to many to be imbalanced, extreme--like some painful constipation that needs release.


another email inspired youtube video for a target audience

Again, your anal, butt-stuck laser pointer, tunnel vision deters you from seeing the total truth. In truth, the video did not arrive in my email. Actually, it is posted on the world wide net and is targeted to all who seek to expand their understanding about that which they presume to speak.

some comments on the page
Of course . . . if your version of totality hasn't totally destroyed the little gleam of truth, discredit it by using your fake, poop-coated pointer to guide us to the turds in the comment section.

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