You’re all set, the GOP has the house

[Got Stripers]

Wonder if Jim’s hero Ron (Trump Light) will run on eliminating Obamacare, as every Republican has since it became law, hard to due when more Floridians have signed up than any other state.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wonder if Jim’s hero Ron (Trump Light) will run on eliminating Obamacare, as every Republican has since it became law, hard to due when more Floridians have signed up than any other state.

A record 13.6 million Americans have signed up for health coverage for 2022 on the Affordable Care Act marketplaces, with nearly a month remaining to enroll in most states,

Yep the republicans and the MAGA horde think all those 13.6 million are all liberals

While many republicans and MAGA universe. Get their health care via the ACA and are vaccinated.. they’ll never admit it to their circle of friends in fear of becoming outcasts .

But they will still cheer on the house , in their efforts to stick it to the libs

[Pete F.]

The asymmetry of pressure within the GOP is striking. Not true of the Dems, where the centrists fight back against the left, and think they have a right to push their views as hard as the left does.

This is a way of saying the U.S. basically has, now, only one governing party.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The asymmetry of pressure within the GOP is striking. Not true of the Dems, where the centrists fight back against the left, and think they have a right to push their views as hard as the left does.

This is a way of saying the U.S. basically has, now, only one governing party.
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any chance we can have an actual conversation?

not sure what you’re saying. are you saying it’s good that on the left, the moderates and extremists battle it out? but isn’t that exactly what’s happening now with the gop?

the moderates want mccarthy, the more radical
conservatives either want someone else, or at least want assurances from mccarthy that he’ll advocate for some of their policies ( secure border, term limits, balanced budget).

this is a sincere, honest question. Which side do you think should cave? or should they both move towards each other? which supposedly is what’s happening…

you seem to be saying the centrists on the right aren’t fighting back, but they are. they are sticking with McCarthy, and calling out the extremists that are holding things up.

much has ben written and discussed about the disproportional clout wielded by AOC and the squad. when the democrats tried to pass that huge spending bills early in bidens first term ( build back better?), the moderates and extremists couldn’t agree and it took several
iterations to hammer it out. how is that different from this?

[wdmso]

Those Republicans Holding the house hostage are from district districts that are so gerrymandered they face no consequences are not heroes they’re not acting on principle they it’s just the jerry springer Show
What are constituency screaming fight fight fight.


other Republicans going on CNN and Fox talking about this is what democracy looks like it’s messy blah blah blah

others we have to don’t get down to business so we can eliminate the 87,000 IRS agents that are coming to pick the pockets of American people more like pick people like Trump pocket. it’s just lie after lie after lie

I actually know a 30 year IRS agent and even she says the 87,000 is just a replace retirees and attrition over the years from agents to secretaries and IT people. So they can modernized IRS database and storage

Yet again these Republicans know that they’re just too frayed tell their voters the truth and because you got passed by a Democratic House and president it’s somehow not for the American people


That’s what Republicans do if they don’t like the facts it does create their own

Even Tucker briefly talked about the debacle on the hill and then he went into a rant of the woke Democrats change the name of turkey to turkey put a two second Internet search show the state department change the spelling of turkey to Turkiye At the request of the Turkish Government.

But of course Tucker left that out …she how they operate

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Those Republicans Holding the house hostage are from district districts that are so gerrymandered they face no consequences are not heroes they’re not acting on principle they it’s just the jerry springer Show
What are constituency screaming fight fight fight.


other Republicans going on CNN and Fox talking about this is what democracy looks like it’s messy blah blah blah

others we have to don’t get down to business so we can eliminate the 87,000 IRS agents that are coming to pick the pockets of American people more like pick people like Trump pocket. it’s just lie after lie after lie

I actually know a 30 year IRS agent and even she says the 87,000 is just a replace retirees and attrition over the years from agents to secretaries and IT people. So they can modernized IRS database and storage

Yet again these Republicans know that they’re just too frayed tell their voters the truth and because you got passed by a Democratic House and president it’s somehow not for the American people


That’s what Republicans do if they don’t like the facts it does create their own

Even Tucker briefly talked about the debacle on the hill and then he went into a rant of the woke Democrats change the name of turkey to turkey put a two second Internet search show the state department change the spelling of turkey to Turkiye At the request of the Turkish Government.

But of course Tucker left that out …she how they operate

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pete (I should have known better). When the democrats were trying to pass that big spending bill early in Bidens tenure (build back better, or whatever), it took many iterations, because the moderates and the progressives simply couldn't agree.

How is this, so different from that?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pete (I should have known better). When the democrats were trying to pass that big spending bill early in Bidens tenure (build back better, or whatever), it took many iterations, because the moderates and the progressives simply couldn't agree.

How is this, so different from that?

Jim you are dense, it's so different it hasn't gone to this many votes in what 150 years now, they passed the 100 year mark a day ago. The difference is your party and the supposed leader of the party didn't take the time or make the effort to get the votes needed after the congress was secured. It's just more fallout from Trump, cost the white house, cost the big mid term, put wack jobs in the position they are in now to hold the house hostage.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pete (I should have known better). When the democrats were trying to pass that big spending bill early in Bidens tenure (build back better, or whatever), it took many iterations, because the moderates and the progressives simply couldn't agree.

How is this, so different from that?

Also, how is land different from water?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pete (I should have known better). When the democrats were trying to pass that big spending bill early in Bidens tenure (build back better, or whatever), it took many iterations, because the moderates and the progressives simply couldn't agree.

How is this, so different from that?

Honestly, Jim, this isn’t an about democracy, even though that’s how the Republicans are trying to twist it. This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party leader who is the minority leader for the last two years?

This behavior has totally locked up the government. Nothing operates without a speaker sitting in the chair who is supposed to be second in command if something happens to the president

The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate

Just
Listen to the excuses we don’t get the read the bills they’re too big we don’t have enough time we only have 72 hours that’s all the fabrication they have staff multiple staff members all working on revising and editing reading the bills just not one person in a room but that’s what they want the American people to believe .

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

any chance we can have an actual conversation?

not sure what you’re saying. are you saying it’s good that on the left, the moderates and extremists battle it out? but isn’t that exactly what’s happening now with the gop?

the moderates want mccarthy, the more radical
conservatives either want someone else, or at least want assurances from mccarthy that he’ll advocate for some of their policies ( secure border, term limits, balanced budget).

this is a sincere, honest question. Which side do you think should cave? or should they both move towards each other? which supposedly is what’s happening…

you seem to be saying the centrists on the right aren’t fighting back, but they are. they are sticking with McCarthy, and calling out the extremists that are holding things up.

much has ben written and discussed in the right wing media about the disproportional clout wielded by AOC and the squad. when the democrats tried to pass that huge spending bills early in bidens first term ( build back better?), the moderates and extremists couldn’t agree and it took several
iterations to hammer it out. how is that different from this?

Fixed it for you

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Any political leader who planned, abetted, praised or excused the violent attack on our Congress and Capitol of January 6, 2021, and that insurrection against our sacred democracy should never be trusted on the issue of law and order.
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[Pete F.]

If the Republican position is the government is the problem and it cannot do anything right, what kind of people do you think that would attract?

Running on government doesn't work, elect me and I will show you how badly, gets you here.
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[Pete F.]

Just think: if Kevin McCarthy had made Gaetz resign bc of his sex scandal or moved to expel Boebert when she endangered ppl on J6, or tried to get rid of Gosar after his endless # of racist statements, he probably wouldn't be having this problem now.
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[Pete F.]

How many times in the past 6 years have we heard the refrain “when this is over nobody will care”

The Jan. 6 committee’s massive evidence trove tells a second crucial story: At every phase of Trump’s scheme, he was enabled and prodded along by a band of House Republicans — some now at the center of the speakership chaos.

Nobody will care…..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How many times in the past 6 years have we heard the refrain “when this is over nobody will care”

The Jan. 6 committee’s massive evidence trove tells a second crucial story: At every phase of Trump’s scheme, he was enabled and prodded along by a band of House Republicans — some now at the center of the speakership chaos.

Nobody will care…..
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trying to overthrow an election, and trump to get a group of hundreds of politicians to agree on a vote for speaker, aren’t exactly the same
thing.

i asked how this his different from the struggle between moderate democrats rats and progressives on the. hold
back better bill. you dodged.

this kid the same as that. this is nothing like january 6. tjisjus civilized, legal debate, it basically is democracy in action.

i tried to
engage you, you went right to krazy.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trying to overthrow an election, and trump to get a group of hundreds of politicians to agree on a vote for speaker, aren’t exactly the same
thing.

i asked how this his different from the struggle between moderate democrats rats and progressives on the. hold
back better bill. you dodged.

this kid the same as that. this is nothing like january 6. tjisjus civilized, legal debate, it basically is democracy in action.

i tried to
engage you, you went right to krazy.

You’re ignoring how many of the Republican house members voted to subvert the election.

The speaker’s fight is the debt ceiling fight is the budget fight is the Ukraine aid fight. Meaning: One half of the legislature will be mostly non-functional for the next two years. That’s why the Speaker McCarthy stuff is important…it’s the template.
This sh..show will continue.

BACON (R-Neb.), a centrist “If this remains the face of the GOP in 2024 we will get pummeled in the Presidential and Congressional elections.

We would have won more seats in 2022 but too many feared the extremes in the GOP even before this.“
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[wdmso]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...house-speaker/

[Pete F.]

Kevin McCarthy's deal with his defectors reportedly gives them the opportunity to force the U.S. to default on its debt and crash the global economy.

They plan to use the threat of default to force massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Kevin McCarthy's deal with his defectors reportedly gives them the opportunity to force the U.S. to default on its debt and crash the global economy.

They plan to use the threat of default to force massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
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i heard- the GOP is just going to kill all the old people and poor people.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i heard- the GOP is just going to kill all the old people and poor people.

Don’t forget drink the blood of the innocents too
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Don’t forget drink the blood of the innocents too
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I thought that’s what Democrats did
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I thought that’s what Democrats did
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A Republican, who is nominating Kevin McCarthy, just spoke about the spike in attacks against law enforcement.

He strangely never mentions Jan 6, which saw the assault of 140 Capitol police officers, the largest attack on law enforcement in recent memory. What an odd omission.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Don’t forget drink the blood of the innocents too
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they spend just about zero time trying to rationally explain why their policy ideas are superior ( and some of them are, in my opinion). If they’re talking politics, 95% of the time it’s hysterical
jibberish about how every republican is a Sith Lord

meanwhile people are fleeing blue states for red states.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Kevin McCarthy's deal with his defectors reportedly gives them the opportunity to force the U.S. to default on its debt and crash the global economy.

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Since this was never an issue during the Trump Administration the key is to convince them that Biden is a Republican and the debt limit won't be a concern for them.
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[wdmso]

Can’t wait till the hearings begin, and the Benny Hill music is playing in the background and everyone pleads the fifth or refuses congressional subpoenas
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[wdmso]

And the GOP keeps insisting, but this is what democracy looks like 0MG I can only imagine what the next two years is going to look like
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[Pete F.]

Kevin McCarthy lost vote 14 then approached Matt Gaetz. McCarthy needed 217 to win. Rep Rogers of Alabama had to be pulled away from Gaetz. He lunged at Gaetz. Republicans in disarray.

NOW: the clerk has gaveled the END of the vote. MCCARTHY LOSES AGAIN. Based on the present vote by Gaetz. A SPEAKER HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED. A motion is on the floor to adjourn until noon Monday. Dems scream NOOOOOO.

People saying that Dems are going to get *tired* and leave to make McCarthy speaker really don't know about the recuperative powers of watching a guy who threw his hat in with people who came to your office to kill you suffer repeated humiliations.
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[wdmso]

Imagine that Donald Trump called Matt on the floor of the house of representatives on January 6 2022 to get McCarthy elected but he called nobody in the joint session of congress on January 6, 2020 while the capitol was under attack
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[Pete F.]

"We'll come back tonight and I believe at that time, we'll have the votes to finish this once and for all," McCarthy says. Asked how he expects to govern with a conference like this, McCarthy says, "See, this is the great part. Because it took this long, now we learned how to govern. So now we'll be able to get the job done."

Looks like at least twice and .......

McCarthy can become speaker only because of concessions to the members of his caucus most closely associated with—if not directly implicated in—what happened two years ago today. The dysfunction is entertaining, but what the result says about where we’re heading is scary.

[wdmso]

Again the right is still trying to spin this in the lens of history and the only people buying it are the usual supporters . Who can’t face the facts

Kevin and the GOP. Are Kinda like the guy who finally passes the bar exam on his 15th try. Yeah he’s a lawyer, but probably not a very good one.

[Pete F.]

Matt Gaetz: "I am grateful that Speaker-designate McCarthy has been so receptive to each and every change that we have demanded. And Sean we're at the stage right now where I am running out of stuff to ask for."

Here’s your reminder, Trump is getting exactly what he wanted and has been whipping the Freedom Caucus all week, including by phone tonight on the floor. He is the big winner tonight. Don't ever doubt who is still at the helm of the GOP. The House belongs to MAGA.

And so one of the strongest House Speakers in American history is succeeded by what is likely to be one of the weakest.
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