When did America, go to Hell - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Karl F · 06-07-2007, 05:52 PM

Just Watched the News..

When did this country Loose It..

Mans word was his bond, oppurtunity abounded..

Raven · 06-07-2007, 06:50 PM

when Richard Nixon took office.
he started all the Crap.

Karl F · 06-07-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

when Richard Nixon took office.
he started all the Crap.

Which office?

... Senator, VP?.. yeah his presidency.. but look at his past record.. Joe McCarthy and all that chit... I'm wondering about the beginings, and not just politics.. politics and politicians, no matter the party, have always been Suspect....

I'm thinking more of how folks treated each other in general.

eastendlu · 06-07-2007, 07:21 PM

Not Nixon but L. Johnson he is the one who made social security part of the general fund so they could tap into it.He imho started the ball rolling.

afterhours · 06-07-2007, 07:28 PM

methinks it began with dilusion of our populations morals not some politico crap....

BigFish · 06-07-2007, 07:31 PM

The correct answer is......and let me know if you disagree.....when the television was invented! The beginning of the end!

afterhours · 06-07-2007, 07:40 PM

....june 14, 1923 first tv. are you basing this on the downfall of FAMILY values due to tv?.....you may not be wrong....

spence · 06-07-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by afterhours

methinks it began with dilusion of our populations morals not some politico crap....

I think a lot of the moral issues have more to do with politico crap than reality.

-spence

afterhours · 06-07-2007, 07:47 PM

could you elaborate spence?

BigFish · 06-07-2007, 07:52 PM

Its the TV! Then came the news, media, Paparrazi, news 24 hours.....as a result of television the world got smaller......the computer came along as the result of or as a byproduct of the television......Pandoras Box for sure!!!

spence · 06-07-2007, 07:54 PM

A tremendous amount of perceived moral decline is just political manipulation.

This isn't to say that there isn't real change that can have a negative impact to a generally agreed to norm. But I think that the base morals of Judeo Christian ethics are pretty stable.

A lot of the ethically challenged behavior that goes on today has been going on for some time, if not forever. It's how the issues are perceived that's in flux.

There's a reference frame to consider as well. I'd put many if not all gay rights issues into this camp.

-spence

Mike P · 06-07-2007, 08:00 PM

November 22, 1963.

The end of America's innocence and the genesis of the distrust of government.

justplugit · 06-07-2007, 08:52 PM

60s

If it feels good do it.

Free love, no responsibility.

Entitelment, they owe it to me.

Lack of Patriotism. Knocking of America.

Drugs, turn on ,drop out.

Bishop169 · 06-08-2007, 08:25 AM

I would have picked the 90’s that’s when I noticed more gangs more pathetic news i.e. Rodney king the riots OJ Arnold becoming Governor

NeedaKeepah · 06-08-2007, 10:49 AM

When the phrase "Political Correctness" was coined.................

Raven · 06-13-2007, 08:34 AM

hoover imported the cocaine JPI

[the government is to blame]
-he started the assasinations [fact]

it was a big (real big) crooked enterprise (still is)

and "Elvis Presley" was a NARC

StripinLine · 06-13-2007, 08:43 AM

We are the Government. We are here to help you.We know whats best for you.

Raven · 06-13-2007, 08:49 AM

just like this border ...or imigration policy

every time they come up with the so called "PLAN"

it never gets voted into LAW ----> it always FAILS

for 50 years....our borders have been as porus as a sponge.

20 million have entered illegally

now...if you make it a lottery for Mexican's and or Canadian's

PUT a bounty on all suspected terrorists ... (evil doer's)

you catch them trying to enter ... we'll pay you $$$$
100,000.00 dollars or what ever... or a chilli dog...

(they'll easilly do that much monetary damage)

Raven · 06-13-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by StripinLine

We are the Government. We are here to help you.We know whats best for you.

Flaptail · 06-13-2007, 09:54 AM

It's been in gradual decline over the last 45 years. Morally, socially and politically.

Does anyone ever get elected to higher office in State and Federal govt. anymore who isn't rich? A govt of millionaires in the Presidency, congress/senate and Govenorships.

Corporate interests and lobbiests before the interest of the common man/woman and child.

What ever happened to America first and Government of the people, for the people and BY the people?

We had our run, our zenith and now we tumble little by little.

striperman36 · 06-13-2007, 09:57 AM

Just like the Roman's

Where are our Huns?

Clammer · 06-13-2007, 11:37 AM

When the {white man came here / & f #$%^& the indians & everyother thing in this Country ><><><

chris L · 06-13-2007, 12:48 PM

the day man ( except me ) became civilized

ThrowingTimber · 06-13-2007, 02:06 PM

Believe it or not it happened when they rolled out the disposable diaper. I wrote a 250 page paper on it.

Basically, disposable diapers meant more than just quick clean tushies, it meant wives no longer took the time to clean and launder cloth diapers, therefore eventually leading the children to not get that same feeling as if they were diapered with a warm cloth diaper, instead they got the cold plastic and cotton... Basically the breast fed or not breast fed argument but with diapers... eventually followed by condo's etc. marketed as "The house with the lawn you dont have to mow." From then until now, the chase hase become bigger better, faster, more super duper'er than you, more than my neighbor, more than my co-workers more more more more, then growing along side that more more more mentality, you've got folks who skirt the process of building more and and earning the more more more and they just find it easier to prey on those who've built their more more more more and they just take it

zacs · 06-13-2007, 02:35 PM

I think you guys are bunch of grumpy negative mf'ers.

Things in this country are great now. Just different. Sure the war sucks. So did vietnam. So did Korea. So did WWI and II. Of course there are issues with politicians, as there have been since the signing of the constitution.

Grumpy people like you guys existed in the 40's just like they do today.

They would say, "boy this country has sure gone to hell. Back in the day you could own a slave. Now we have do all our work. This is the fall of modern times!" HA! "The printing press has taken all of the personality out of the written word."

EMBRACE CHANGE! Live life to the fullest! You live in one of the best, if not THE best country in the world.

Zac

The Dad Fisherman · 06-13-2007, 03:09 PM

I beg to differ....and I have no problem embracing change.

But 40 years ago your kids could go out anywhere without worrying about some twisted creep lurking in the shadows.

You could ALWAYS trust a Cop, A Priest, A Scout Leader and your Coach....now they automatically get the leary eye whenever they talk to a kid

There was not a steady and readily accessible stream of porn on a device that sits in the kids bedroom.

Kids were outside, playing, all day until the street lights went on.....now we have 200 pound 10 year olds that the only body part that is in shape is their 2 thumbs

if somebody did something stupid you chalked it up as such.....and nobody lost their house in a lawsuit because of Your own stupidity.

I would never, EVER, think about talking to an adult the way kids do now-a-days. If I swore at an adult i would expect 2 a$$-kickings, one from the adult I swore at and 1 from my dad for making said adult kick my A$$ for that reason.

Do you know that the Empire State building was built in 13 months....13 months, and within budget. the american machine was rolling, nobody even got killed during its construction.......the Big Dig has been going on how long and fat cat politicians are still getting rich from its failure.

We are now living in a time of "Entitlement".......everyone thinks they are Entitled to everything......and god forbid if they don't get it, Someone get sued

What REALLY caused the downfall.....a friggen cup of McDonalds Coffee....because that was when people realized a lawyer could get you anything.

Rant Over

Karl F · 06-13-2007, 03:24 PM

Bingo Dad! ...

zacs.. curious...how old are you?

reason I ask, is, I think it's in all what each individual remembers.

I remember much of what TDF referenced...

Trust in authourity figures... freedon to roam around.. more one on one with people... not machines..

Call a company.. talk with a person.. a human being.. not a prerecorded menu.. push one for this two for that.. etc..

Doctors that would come to your house in the middle of the night for a sick kid.. or elderly person.

Being more afraid of the old man, than the local cops..

R E S E P E C T for other folks.. property.. and being polite...

Cashiers that said thank you, after they counted your change back (!).. and not.. answering with.. your welcome.. (WTF.. I gave them money.. and they say your welcome!.. always irks me.. only reason I say Thanks to a clerk is to solicit some kinda response...)

Kids miss out big time on all the freedom.. like TDF stated..

I guess if they can't remember different.. they think it's OK..

But I think it's a downright shame what's become of this society over the last half century...

But.. like I earleir stated.. maybe it's an age thing...

I think Credit Cards (Diner Club started it in the fifties), TV commercials.. Fast Food.. Shopping Malls.. Forced Sunday Openings for almost all business.. the "Cookie Cutter" mentality.. Super Highways.. I mean.. travelling across country in the fiftes/sixties.. greasy spoons, diners and "Americana".. have been replaced by Super Highways with Mall Exits.. you get off the highway.. you could be "Anywhere"..
No "Local Color".. anymore..

No Ethics anymore.. Morality?.. that's been dead and buried for years.. Local Govt. on up..

We Are in the Toilet.. compared to What us "Older Folks".. Knew.. No Doubt.

But.. It's all in what you Remeber.. I guess...and the powers that be, really want us to Forget.

Tagger · 06-13-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clammer

When the {white man came here / & f #$%^& the indians & everyother thing in this Country ><><><

right on !... white man is a cosuming ,wasetful,

everything that he can .. That religous child molesting stuff was early 60's and before I bet . We didn't see it then . It all makes the news now . I don't like people making windfall profits, off poor kids getting blown up. That should be illegal .. send profits to familys of loved ones lost .

Raider Ronnie · 06-13-2007, 08:09 PM

My grandfather would always say to me that this country went to hell the day the Beatles stepped foot here.
I believe him !

justplugit · 06-13-2007, 08:11 PM

I think as you get older you see things in a different light as you have a point of comparison. The older you get the more change you see, and as your security is tied up in things staying the same , you naturally don't like change.

That being said, the question was, "when did America start to go to hell?" Having been around almost 68 years i gotta say again, it was the 60's.

That's when we seemed to lose our moral compass.

We have all the material things we could ever want, that's not lacking, but the morality, which touches every area of our life is lacking, and without that we will continue on a downward spiral.