Liberalism - let all the criminals go, it's not their fault

[Jim in CT]

This story reminds me of the Willie Horton saga, except it's worse in that a cop got killed by a guy parolled after being sentenced to THREE CONSECUTIVE life sentences...

Massachusetts Cop Was Killed by Career Criminal Out on Parole Despite Three Life Sentences - FoxNews.com

I don't have a degree in criminology from an Ivy League school. I guess I'm just not sophisticated enough to see how you let this guy out on the street.

That's liberalism for you, nobody is responsible for their actions, nothing is anybody's fault. I see the criminal got killed in the shootout, maybe the ACLU will file a wrongul death suit against the cops on behalf of his surviving family.

It's time to toss out all the extreme ideology and use some good old fashioned common sense. Except when you talk in common-sense terms, the liberals label you a simpleton...I bet a simpleton would have turned down this guy's parole application.

[likwid]

Really? Liberalism is to blame?

"No one testified against Cinelli."

Where were you?

How about instead of blaming people, ask why he was given life with possibility of parole?

Here's the parole board: http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopsterm...ers&csid=Eeops

I expect a full report from you after contacting each of them on how they came to their decision.

I doubt you want to read through who all is on the parole board so let me c/p for you to save the effort. Tell me who the liberals are?

Mark A. Conrad was appointed as Chairman of the Massachusetts Parole Board by Governor Deval Patrick in 2008. Prior to this appointment, Mark served as a Massachusetts Parole Board Member, and was a police officer for the Milton Police Department for almost two decades

Thomas Merigan was appointed to the Massachusetts Parole Board in 2004. Before becoming a Board Member, Mr. Merigan was a supervisor at the United States Probation Office where he worked for more than 20 years.

Candace Kochin was appointed to the Parole Board in 2004. Ms. Kochin worked for the Hampshire County Sheriff’s Office as the Director of Treatment and Assistant Deputy Superintendent. Throughout her career she has also worked as a Superior Court Probation Officer with Hampshire Superior Court Probation, a Victim/Witness Advocate with the Northwestern District Attorney, and an Administrative Assistant in the Northampton District Court.

Pamela Lombardini became a Parole Board member in January 2007. She was a United States Probation Officer for over fifteen years and worked as a probation officer in Essex County.

Leticia Muñoz was appointed to the Parole Board in 2008. She is a licensed clinical psychologist with extensive experience in community mental health settings. Prior to joining the Board, Dr. Muñoz was the Clinical Director at Brightside School Street Counseling Institute in Springfield, Massachusetts. She provided services to an urban low-income client population diagnosed with a broad range of psychiatric disorders.

Roger Michel was appointed to the Parole Board in 2009. He has been a lawyer in Massachusetts, specializing in criminal law, for more than two decades. Before joining the Board, Mr. Michel was Senior Staff Attorney at the Massachusetts Appeals Court, where he worked for seventeen years. Mr. Michel also served as an Assistant District Attorney in the Suffolk District and worked in private practice at Hill & Barlow.

Cesar Archilla was appointed to the Parole Board in 2009. Mr. Archilla has practiced as an attorney since 1999, working in both state and private practice. Attorney Archilla served for over six years in the Essex County District Attorney's Office, working as an Assistant District Attorney, a Supervising Assistant District Attorney in the Peabody District Court and as a Jury Session Supervising District Attorney in the Salem District court.


Huh, wow.
All seemed to have made a career prior to this of putting people IN JAIL?
All but one!

Must all be liberals.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Really? Liberalism is to blame?

"No one testified against Cinelli."

Where were you?

How about instead of blaming people, ask why he was given life with possibility of parole?

Here's the parole board: Parole Board Members

I expect a full report from you after contacting each of them on how they came to their decision.

I doubt you want to read through who all is on the parole board so let me c/p for you to save the effort. Tell me who the liberals are?

Mark A. Conrad was appointed as Chairman of the Massachusetts Parole Board by Governor Deval Patrick in 2008. Prior to this appointment, Mark served as a Massachusetts Parole Board Member, and was a police officer for the Milton Police Department for almost two decades

Thomas Merigan was appointed to the Massachusetts Parole Board in 2004. Before becoming a Board Member, Mr. Merigan was a supervisor at the United States Probation Office where he worked for more than 20 years.

Candace Kochin was appointed to the Parole Board in 2004. Ms. Kochin worked for the Hampshire County Sheriff’s Office as the Director of Treatment and Assistant Deputy Superintendent. Throughout her career she has also worked as a Superior Court Probation Officer with Hampshire Superior Court Probation, a Victim/Witness Advocate with the Northwestern District Attorney, and an Administrative Assistant in the Northampton District Court.

Pamela Lombardini became a Parole Board member in January 2007. She was a United States Probation Officer for over fifteen years and worked as a probation officer in Essex County.

Leticia Muñoz was appointed to the Parole Board in 2008. She is a licensed clinical psychologist with extensive experience in community mental health settings. Prior to joining the Board, Dr. Muñoz was the Clinical Director at Brightside School Street Counseling Institute in Springfield, Massachusetts. She provided services to an urban low-income client population diagnosed with a broad range of psychiatric disorders.

Roger Michel was appointed to the Parole Board in 2009. He has been a lawyer in Massachusetts, specializing in criminal law, for more than two decades. Before joining the Board, Mr. Michel was Senior Staff Attorney at the Massachusetts Appeals Court, where he worked for seventeen years. Mr. Michel also served as an Assistant District Attorney in the Suffolk District and worked in private practice at Hill & Barlow.

Cesar Archilla was appointed to the Parole Board in 2009. Mr. Archilla has practiced as an attorney since 1999, working in both state and private practice. Attorney Archilla served for over six years in the Essex County District Attorney's Office, working as an Assistant District Attorney, a Supervising Assistant District Attorney in the Peabody District Court and as a Jury Session Supervising District Attorney in the Salem District court.


Huh, wow.
All seemed to have made a career prior to this of putting people IN JAIL?
All but one!

Must all be liberals.

Likwid, pointing out people's careers tells me NOTHING about their political beliefs, unless they worked for the ACLU or the NRA.

Likwid, do you really feel that there is no difference between the liberal view toward crime and the conservative view?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Likwid, pointing out people's careers tells me NOTHING about their political beliefs, unless they worked for the ACLU or the NRA.

Likwid, do you really feel that there is no difference between the liberal view toward crime and the conservative view?

Note most of them are COPS.
COPS let him out.
Not liberals or conservatives.
COPS.

Your political polarizing of EVERYTHING is getting tired and pathetic.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

Note most of them are COPS.
COPS let him out.
Not liberals or conservatives.
COPS.

Your political polarizing of EVERYTHING is getting tired and pathetic.

you didn't answer his question...

it was summed up nicely this way...

nightfighter Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
I'd rather like to know how he managed 3 life sentences WITH parole.

Liberal Mass judge(s)......


three life sentences.... unanimously let out on parole by a board of libs appointed by libs...dead cop.....it would be a shame if this one unfortunate accident ruined the wonderful work that this board has done releasing so many other hardened criminals onto our streets .....I wonder if Deval sent him any money to use for his defense ?.....

now that death panels are back in Obamacare....will doctors be required to give "end of life counseling" to prisoners with life and/or death sentences( you know, so if they get sick we can save a bundle of money by not treating their illness and just giving them a little pill to send them on their way)...or is this counseling only reserved for non-criminals?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by scottw

now that death panels are back in Obamacare....will doctors be required to give "end of life counseling" to prisoners with life and/or death sentences( you know, so if they get sick we can save a bundle of money by not treating their illness and just giving them a little pill to send them on their way)...or is this counseling only reserved for non-criminals?

Jesus, does everyone need a script for adderall before coming in here?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Note most of them are COPS.
COPS let him out.
Not liberals or conservatives.
COPS.

Your political polarizing of EVERYTHING is getting tired and pathetic.

Likwid, I read your post again, and it looks to me like one out of the seven was a cop. Does 1 constitute "most" of 7 to you?

I don't care if they were all former cops. I know plenty of cops who are liberals. Occupation is irrelevent. What's pertinent to this situation is the generalization (we can debate whether or not it's accurate) that liberals are more inclined to give these repeat offenders a second chance because they are not responsible for their actions.

One of the pillars of liberalism is that people who make mistakes (as long as they are anointed with "victim" status) should not be held accountable for their actions.

You had unprotected sex? Don't worry, just get an abortion.

You chose not to do any homwework in high school? Don't worry, those that work will provide you with welfare.

Can't find a job in 99 weeks? Don't worry, those that are killing themselves to stay employed will give you more of their money.

You bought a $700,000 house even though you make $40,000 a year? Don't worry, we'll tell the bank to lower the amount of your mortgage and your interest rate so that you can afford it. Meanwhile, those playing by the rules still struggle.

You don't want to work hard? Don't worry, elect liberals, and we'll give you a public sector union job with lifetime job protection and insane benefits.

You shot somebody while committing a crime? Well, as long as you claim that mommy was hard on you, it's not your fault, so we'll give you another chance.

What's tired and pathetic is your attempt at spin.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Likwid, I read your post again, and it looks to me like one out of the seven was a cop. Does 1 constitute "most" of 7 to you?

I don't care if they were all former cops. I know plenty of cops who are liberals. Occupation is irrelevent. What's pertinent to this situation is the generalization (we can debate whether or not it's accurate) that liberals are more inclined to give these repeat offenders a second chance because they are not responsible for their actions.

Their previous occupation has EVERYTHING to do with their current job no matter HOW much you want to scream and cry it doesn't and want to spin it pissing and moaning that its all the "liberal's" fault.

They are a group of people who should have known better, but let him out anyhow. Why? No clue, can't see the minutes of the parole hearing and what WAS published is nothing but hearsay and speculation.

One of the pillars of liberalism is that people who make mistakes (as long as they are anointed with "victim" status) should not be held accountable for their actions.

You had unprotected sex? Don't worry, just get an abortion.

You chose not to do any homwework in high school? Don't worry, those that work will provide you with welfare.

Can't find a job in 99 weeks? Don't worry, those that are killing themselves to stay employed will give you more of their money.

You bought a $700,000 house even though you make $40,000 a year? Don't worry, we'll tell the bank to lower the amount of your mortgage and your interest rate so that you can afford it. Meanwhile, those playing by the rules still struggle.

You don't want to work hard? Don't worry, elect liberals, and we'll give you a public sector union job with lifetime job protection and insane benefits.

You shot somebody while committing a crime? Well, as long as you claim that mommy was hard on you, it's not your fault, so we'll give you another chance.

More adderall.

What's tired and pathetic is your attempt at spin.

Spin? Unlike you, I hold people accountable, not "ideals".

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

One of the pillars of liberalism is that people who make mistakes (as long as they are anointed with "victim" status) should not be held accountable for their actions.

You had unprotected sex? Don't worry, just get an abortion.

You chose not to do any homwework in high school? Don't worry, those that work will provide you with welfare.

Can't find a job in 99 weeks? Don't worry, those that are killing themselves to stay employed will give you more of their money.

You bought a $700,000 house even though you make $40,000 a year? Don't worry, we'll tell the bank to lower the amount of your mortgage and your interest rate so that you can afford it. Meanwhile, those playing by the rules still struggle.

You don't want to work hard? Don't worry, elect liberals, and we'll give you a public sector union job with lifetime job protection and insane benefits.

You shot somebody while committing a crime? Well, as long as you claim that mommy was hard on you, it's not your fault, so we'll give you another chance.

Some of the core reasons we are where we are.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's time to toss out all the extreme ideology and use some good old fashioned common sense. Except when you talk in common-sense terms, the liberals label you a simpleton...

So true, all these pseudo intellectual libertine thinkers think "they" have all the answers.

Cut off the East and left coast and get back to what common sense and
this country is about.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by justplugit

So true, all these pseudo intellectual libertine thinkers think "they" have all the answers.

Cut off the East and left coast and get back to what common sense and
this country is about.

C'mon
Help us out here, point on the liberals in that list!

Why weren't you at the hearing?

[nightfighter]

Read his rap sheet, both in and out of jail.... There is no way in hell this guy should ever have been able to appear before a parole board, nevermind actually being granted parole.... I hope the parole hearing and decision is made public, and then they all getted canned...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Read his rap sheet, both in and out of jail.... There is no way in hell this guy should ever have been able to appear before a parole board, nevermind actually being granted parole.... I hope the parole hearing and decision is made public, and then they all getted canned...

I'd rather like to know how he managed 3 life sentences WITH parole.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by likwid

I'd rather like to know how he managed 3 life sentences WITH parole.

Liberal Mass judge(s)......

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by likwid

C'mon
Help us out here, point on the liberals in that list!

Why weren't you at the hearing?

Sorry, not from Mass.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Cut off the East and left coast and get back to what common sense and
this country is about.

You cut of the East and West Coasts and I'd bet you cut out over half of the economic production in the country.

Cut off the two coasts and you're left with rednecks, inbreeds and polygamists... I guess that last one isn't terrible.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You cut of the East and West Coasts and I'd bet you cut out over half of the economic production in the country.

Cut off the two coasts and you're left with rednecks, inbreeds and polygamists... I guess that last one isn't terrible.

You forgot the Amish.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Cut off the two coasts and you're left with rednecks, inbreeds and polygamists... I guess that last one isn't terrible.

Hey JD, ya forgot the Gun toting Bible thumpin Astro turfs as
Obama and Pelosi call them.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Hey JD, ya forgot the Gun toting Bible thumpin Astro turfs as
Obama and Pelosi call them.

No I didn't...

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You cut of the East and West Coasts and I'd bet you cut out over half of the economic production in the country.

Cut off the two coasts and you're left with rednecks, inbreeds and polygamists... I guess that last one isn't terrible.

[scottw]

maybe Obama should give the parole board a call and thank them for giving him a second chance...

at least you Mass taxpayers haven't had to pay for a sex change operation for this victim of the human condition.......yet....

the article says that he "impressed" the parole board....no word yet if they are still "impressed"?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

No I didn't...

LOL, yes, you just didn't want to repeat what Obama and Pelosi think of the people they serve.

Ya, the same Patriotic people who make up a large portion of our
Armed Forces as grunts that make the sacrifices for all you elites.

JD, ya gotta get out and travel more, rub elbows with these people
your prejudiced against, and see what good solid people most
of them are.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Cut off the two coasts and you're left with rednecks, inbreeds and polygamists... I guess that last one isn't terrible.

"but one thing I do have is perspective"JD



what a marooooon...

[Nebe]

Lol Ted
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[Jim in CT]

Johnny D, despite your own individual observations, things are not as simple as they may seem to you. My experience with folks from different parts of the country has been mostly (not completely) from my time with the USMC. Despite your observations, not everyone in middle America watches "Hee Haw" reruns while blowing into an empty whisky jug for music, and lusting after their sister Ellie Mae.

If I was going to stereotype those folks, I'd say they were very religious, very charitable, unbelievably friendly and warm compared to New Englanders, hard-working, responsible folk who want to live their lives and raise their kids without the feds telling them how to do it.

Johnny, since you seem to think (I may be wrong) that all of the sophisticated intellectuals live on the coasts...try this sometime. Look at a map of the US that shows the per-capita budget deficits of all 50 states. Tell me what kind of financial shape New England and California are in, compared to the Midwest and Southern states. Then ask yourself where the dummies are.

People in the heartland may not be comfortable talking about existentialism while drinking apple martinis, but they love their neighbors, love their kids, and they know you can't spend what you ain't got. They may not have enough book lernin' to earn the respect of liberal elitists, but they understand how things work in the real world.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Johnny, since you seem to think (I may be wrong) that all of the sophisticated intellectuals live on the coasts...try this sometime. Look at a map of the US that shows the per-capita budget deficits of all 50 states. Tell me what kind of financial shape New England and California are in, compared to the Midwest and Southern states. Then ask yourself where the dummies are.

After that lets discuss where the technology centers are.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

After that lets discuss where the technology centers are.

Most of them are in California. Unfortunately, however, there aren't nearly enough of them in California to keep that state out of debilitating debt. That crushing debt is thanks to liberal spending policies, and a liberal approach to illegal immigration, by the way...

Likwid, do you EVER get one right, even by accident? The fact is that California has all those tech companies, and Connecticut has so many billionaire hedge fund managers and the most profitable casinos in the world, yet the liberal policies have STILL managed to bankrupt those states. New England and California have tons of smart people, and therefore, tons of tax revenue. But here's the moral of the story...earth to likwid...whether you have a little money or a lot of money, you can't spend more than you've got. Liberals simply don't buy into that rule.

You unwittingly proved my point for me. If New England and California have all this revenue from sophisticated industry, and we're STILL going bankrupt, that makes us even more incompetent compared to the folks running states in Middle America. Those states figure out a way to get by with what they have, we tax ourselves into oblivion.

Likwid, since you know where all the technology centers are, why not go to one and buy a $5 calculator. Then maybe you can show me how "1" represents "most" of 7.

Game. Set. Match.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Most of them are in California. Unfortunately, however, there aren't nearly enough of them in California to keep that state out of debilitating debt. That crushing debt is thanks to liberal spending policies, and a liberal approach to illegal immigration, by the way...

Most? Not quite there chief!
Pittsburg, Pennsylvania
Boston, Massachusetts
Burlington, Massachusetts
New York, New York

Can you tell me whats in these four cities? It shouldn't be hard to figure out. You can come up to 2010 instead of hanging out in 2000. Its ok, the present doesn't bite

Likwid, do you EVER get one right, even by accident?

Thankfully in the real world, yes, not in silly bastard Jim In CT liberalism is a disease land though. I'm OK with that.

Game. Set. Match.

Flag on the field, head back to your own 10 yard line, actually figure out reality outside of Michael Savage talking points.

No wonder most people don't waste their time replying to you anymore.

Maybe I'll follow suit.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Pittsburg, Pennsylvania
Boston, Massachusetts
Burlington, Massachusetts
New York, New York

Can you tell me whats in these four cities?

I know exactly what's in those 4 cities. Lots of sophisticated folk like yourself. Also, liberal legislatures, astronomical taxes, and crippling budget deficits.

You really walked right into that one...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Most? Not quite there chief!

Oh, so you're still an expert on the concept of "most", I see (remember before, when you claimed that one out of seven is "most"). Maybe you should look it up in the dictionary, I don't think it means what you think it means...

[Slipknot]

maybe you guys can not make things personal and discuss it or the thread will end up locked????

It's a shame a good man is dead because he was allowed a parole hearing in the first place. Doesn't seem like we learn from the past