Johns Hopkins University says US was most prepared country in world for pandemic

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Fixed it for you.

Youre criticizing things Trump did/didn't do in December and late January, but it's not legitimate to criticize Pelosi or Diblasio for what they did in late February. How in Gods name does that make any sense, except to a blind ideologue who can't do anything that goes against the orangemanbad theme?

See the fun continues don’t burst a blood vessel.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

See the fun continues don’t burst a blood vessel.

Not sure why you assume it makes me angry to shred your arguments. It's fun, funny, and satisfying. Not the least bit annoying. But it's a nice way to avoid answering a simple question, I guess.

GS, what does it say about your beliefs, that in order to cling to them, you have to hide under your bed when I ask such a simple, and obvious, question? I can't imagine living like that. Like the other Trump haters, you're a slave to your ideology, which is why you literally cannot process that which goes against that ideology. Me, I go where the facts take me, which is a lot easier.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly. A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever. Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

You are going over my head here,enjoy the ride.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly.

You said "Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship, if he steered the ship on the right course we collectively would not have run aground on the ledge. The caption owns it regardless of what others around him say or do,"

You made up your personal version of what the important question is, and your opinion was based on a false analogy. Comparing the President to a captain of a ship could only be valid depending on what you mean by "the ship." If by "the ship" you mean the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, the analogy would have some merit. But if by "the ship" you are referring to the United States, then either you believe that we are not the nation that was founded under the Constitution, or you believe that the Constitution gives the President nearly absolute power.

The President does not have a general power to control, direct, or command the other branches of government, nor the individual states, except within the limited power given to the Executive by the Constitution.

Whatever you think Trump should have done early, it would have been limited only to what the Congress and the Court and the States would allow. If he had wanted to "lock down" the country before those entities were willing to do so, he would not have been able to do it without their consent.

If Pelosi, and Cuomo, and the other Dem pols said it was okay to mingle in crowds without protection back then (and they did), he could not have imposed such a lockdown. He could only be "captain of the ship" of the executive branch. The other pols would be captains of their own little constitutionally limited "ships."

They would all "own" their decisions as "captains", as you put it, not just Trump.

The Founders would have been terrified of giving an overall captain-like power to the President. Or of giving that to any other politician. They viewed the citizens as sovereign, bound to government only by the limited consent they gave that government. They were not to be considered "sailors" under the command of some ship's captain.

A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever.

That is, on purpose, an opinion which is based on distortion and is your continual MO--just as was your distorted version of Trump being the captain of some ship that supposedly ran aground.

Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

So you're excuse for not answering Jim is in order to amuse yourself by watching him throw a tantrum?

Well, we have not have "collectively . . . run aground" as you put it. We are still "sailing" in the Covid storm. Making some headway. Doing better than most countries. Did those countries also "run aground"? Did they all have bad "captains"?

The only bad "captain" is Xi Jinping. China is more like a ship run by a captain than is America. And he is, no doubt, delighted to see us, and other countries, blaming their leaders rather than him.

We have such a great opportunity to use what China has done with this pandemic to bring down its communist regime, and free the Chinese people to truly join the rest of the world . . . but we would rather waste that opportunity and try to score political points . . . and by default let China off the hook . . . and give them the free ride to continue on its path to world domination.

I don't think you can answer Jim's question. I think you're too invested in your own distortions. I don't think you know what the right "important question," as you put it, is.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So you're excuse for not answering Jim is in order to amuse yourself by watching him throw a tantrum?

Well, we have not have "collectively . . . run aground" as you put it. We are still "sailing" in the Covid storm. Making some headway. Doing better than most countries. Did those countries also "run aground"? Did they all have bad "captains"?

The only bad "captain" is Xi Jinping. China is more like a ship run by a captain than is America. And he is, no doubt, delighted to see us, and other countries, blaming their leaders rather than him.

We have such a great opportunity to use what China has done with this pandemic to bring down its communist regime, and free the Chinese people to truly join the rest of the world . . . but we would rather waste that opportunity and try to score political points . . . and by default let China off the hook . . . and give them the free ride to continue on its path to world domination.

I don't think you can answer Jim's question. I think you're too invested in your own distortions. I don't think you know what the right "important question," as you put it, is.

You crack me up, you assume I read your posts

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You crack me up, you assume I read your posts

I agree, you're cracked up.

[Pete F.]

Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which originated in Wuhan, China, late last year.

The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions. On the day of Pelosi’s visit, Trump tweeted this about the virus: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Should she have known he was lying then?

And why on May 22nd did he lie about this: Nancy Pelosi, a month later, was in Chinatown in San Francisco. She’s dancing in the streets of Chinatown, trying to say, “It’s okay to come to the United States. It’s fine. It’s wonderful. Come on in. Bring your infection with you.” And then she said, “He should have done it earlier” — about me. And she’s dancing a month later. These people are sick.

Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which originated in Wuhan, China, late last year.

The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which originated in Wuhan, China, late last year.

The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions. On the day of Pelosi’s visit, Trump tweeted this about the virus: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Should she have known he was lying then?

And why on May 22nd did he lie about this: Nancy Pelosi, a month later, was in Chinatown in San Francisco. She’s dancing in the streets of Chinatown, trying to say, “It’s okay to come to the United States. It’s fine. It’s wonderful. Come on in. Bring your infection with you.” And then she said, “He should have done it earlier” — about me. And she’s dancing a month later. These people are sick.

Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which originated in Wuhan, China, late last year.

The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions.

"Should she have known he was lying then?"

No. But if Trump was that wrong then, if the available data back then made it clear we needed to lock down, why wouldn't the speaker of the house, and the mayor of NYC, also know that?

Answer: there was no preponderance of data back then, that made it clear we needed martial law. You are all engaging in Monday morning quarterbacking, and you are doing it very very selectively.

[Pete F.]

Many people see Tweety for what he is, a failure.
Rasmussen: Trump approval falls four net points to 42-57, his worst approval since January *2018* and worst net approval since December 2017.

His strongly approve is at 30%, strongly disapprove at 47% - also hitting the lowest levels since January 2018.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Many people see Tweety for what he is, a failure.
Rasmussen: Trump approval falls four net points to 42-57, his worst approval since January *2018* and worst net approval since December 2017.

His strongly approve is at 30%, strongly disapprove at 47% - also hitting the lowest levels since January 2018.
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keep hope alive!

[Jim in CT]

for the tenth time to the trump haters here...what was Biden saying in december/january that would allow any reasonable person to conclude, that we’d be better off today if he were president? back then he wasn’t calling for a drastic response. since then, most of what he says are the ramblings of someone clearly in the early stages of senility. so tell us what biden said back then, that makes you confident he’d have done a better job?

again, is there a reason none of you will touch this question? kind of a theme ( dodging obvious questions) with you guys, isn’t it?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

for the tenth time to the trump haters here...what was Biden saying in december/january that would allow any reasonable person to conclude, that we’d be better off today if he were president? back then he wasn’t calling for a drastic response. since then, most of what he says are the ramblings of someone clearly in the early stages of senility. so tell us what biden said back then, that makes you confident he’d have done a better job?

again, is there a reason none of you will touch this question? kind of a theme ( dodging obvious questions) with you guys, isn’t it?
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OMG if you give me that easy a question I have to answer, absolutely Biden having the same and better (since he wouldn’t
trash a pandemic team) intel would have saved so many lives and brought us back quicker. Oh and by the way all the crappy poorly thought out policy decisions wouldn’t have been made, our environment wouldn’t be under Trump’s attack, the list of benefits is a long one. Jim if your trying to stump me you really need to up your game.
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[Sea Dangles]

Quite the debater

[Jim in CT]

GS so nancy visits chinatown i’m late february, tells people its safe to go there, and all you can do is bash trump for his take on it.

the idea that trump ended the pandemic team, has been disputed or debunked.

if the intel existed that a good leader would
have reacted differently to to save more lives, how come no one of prominence was calling for drastic steps in december or january? the speaker of the house and mayor of NYC were telling people
to go out to crowded places in late february. you’re acting like any idiot should have known
in december to take drastic steps. what democrats were calling for that? none. yet only trump made the wrong call.
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[Pete F.]

Who knew

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores.
Quote Tweet

The Washington Post
@washingtonpost
· Oct 24, 2019
None of these 195 countries — the U.S. included — is fully prepared for a pandemic, report says https://wapo.st/361AXE3
4:32 PM · Oct 25, 2019·Twitter Web Client

[wdmso]

We have reached 100 thousand deaths and yet jim is more concerned about what the dems should have done, even though they dont control the executive branch

Why hasn't trump commented on this death toll..greater than the Korean war Vietnam and the wars in the gulf and Afghanistan and this happened in 3 months

Yet Trump and many of his supporters think its over. Let's hope it is ...

but as if on cue Trump moved on changed gears hes done with the idea of responsibility.. hes only interested in topics that make him look good with his base who still think this is still just a hoax

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

We have reached 100 thousand deaths and yet jim is more concerned about what the dems should have done, even though they dont control the executive branch

The Executive Branch Executes the will of the Congressional Branch.

Why hasn't trump commented on this death toll..greater than the Korean war Vietnam and the wars in the gulf and Afghanistan and this happened in 3 months


"President Trump on Thursday morning said that the United States had reached a "very sad milestone" in exceeding 100,000 deaths due to the novel coronavirus, expressing sympathy for those who have lost loved ones."--from The Hill.

Yet Trump and many of his supporters think its over. Let's hope it is ...

but as if on cue Trump moved on changed gears hes done with the idea of responsibility.. hes only interested in topics that make him look good with his base who still think this is still just a hoax

Obviously, since Trump is still invested in finding cures, including vaccines, he doesn't think it's over, maybe that the first phase is waning. He obvious feels a responsibility to fight the virus since he has spent so much time, effort, and political capital to do so. And it's a hoax to say that he claims the virus is a hoax. And it's kind of hoaxy to say he's responsible for 100,000 deaths, but claim he was not responsible for the good economy before the virus hit.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obviously, since Trump is still invested in finding cures, including vaccines, he doesn't think it's over, maybe that the first phase is waning. He obvious feels a responsibility to fight the virus since he has spent so much time, effort, and political capital to do so. And it's a hoax to say that he claims the virus is a hoax. And it's kind of hoaxy to say he's responsible for 100,000 deaths, but claim he was not responsible for the good economy before the virus hit.

No, actually he has spent his political capital claiming it was under control, that he had spoken with Xi, blaming anyone possible or not and claiming he took no responsibility.
Meanwhile more than 100,000 Americans died of Coronavirus.
His playing doctor on his reality presidency show is easily seen as the actions of a desperate narcissistic weak man with a total lack of empathy.

That’s why his “ratings” are dropping, why the downticket polls are tanking and why the anti anti Trump* fluffers are panicking.
Keep flailing and claiming the Emperor has clothes.
The big orange baby is babbling away on Twitter and proving you wrong.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trump made the wrong call.
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Thankfully you finally got it.

[Sea Dangles]

Clearly this man is gifted
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[Sea Dangles]

Per Johns Hopkins, over 399000 Americans have recovered from corona virus

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Per Johns Hopkins, over 399000 Americans have recovered from corona virus

[Sea Dangles]

America 1st

[Pete F.]

Tweety today
"In order to show how mad I am at China, I will now cede more power and international leadership to the Chinese Communist Party."
Fluff him up followers
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[Pete F.]

Covid is resurging,
30,000+ cases reported today—the highest total since May 1. Continue to pray for our country.
Meanwhile Tweety’s having his fluffer fest in a state with surging Covid-19
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Covid is resurging,

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need more massive protests...

[Pete F.]

Just doing everything he can because it’s just the sniffles

"Here's the bad part: When you do testing to that extent, you're gonna find more people, you're gonna find more cases. So I said to my people, 'slow the testing down please!'" -- Tweety

Trump's failure to get us the testing we need has been one of the biggest reasons we haven't beat coronavirus. Now we know why.

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[Got Stripers]

I guess the good news is a Trump invited over a million people and less than 7,000 show up, so maybe that means fewer stupid people spreading or taking the virus home to others.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I guess the good knees is a Trump invited over a million people and less than 7,000 show up, so many that means fewer stupid people spreading or taking the virus home to others.

What does this even mean, stop your racist BS.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

What does this even mean, stop your racist BS.

If by that I’m racist because I detest dumb arses who don’t believe in science, color me a racist. I think your going off the rails, are you off your meds or is Trumps limp #^&#^&#^&#^& campaign concerning you?