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Old 09-18-2019, 03:51 PM   #1
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Start making sense

The time has finally come to make cars safer and more affordable in California. Thank you Mr. President for saving my family more money.

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Old 09-18-2019, 05:44 PM   #2
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2019 tacoma sr5 California 21k miles 32k

Same truck MA 13k miles 2018. 31k. Funny how that works
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PROFITS before people less clean air or water . And more money spent on gas ... but hes is stcking it to a blue state so he is the best potus in your life time... such low expectations

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Old 09-18-2019, 06:01 PM   #3
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The devil is in the details. Read up.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:07 PM   #4
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Who needs clean water or air, short sightedness is a bill our children’s children will have to pay, but if you don’t care than it’s a win. I’d rather pay a little more for my next truck, but vehicle emissions are only a small piece of the global warming puzzle, but when you have a president who doesn’t even believe in the science, there will be zero effort to solve the puzzle.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:30 PM   #5
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The liberals went a little too far in this instance. Don’t act surprised, America is open for business.
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dummies can go confess their sins to NBC if they are feeling guilt..


“Even those who care deeply about the planet’s future can slip up now and then. Tell us: Where do you fall short in preventing climate change?” reads the introduction to NBC’s “Climate Confessions” project.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:04 AM   #7
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The socialist stable genius doesn't have a clue about the auto business. The grownups in the room (Cali and the manufacturers) negotiated what makes sense for the environment and manufacturers along with the consumers. No manufacturer wants to build fewer cars and they are in a worldwide market, not just America Alone.
Trumps socialist business policy towards trade, manufacturing, farming and tariff tax is a joke and opposite of traditional Republican values. Meanwhile Congress hides and the Trump effect is starting to show.

Michelle Krebs, executive analyst at car-buying site Autotrader, said she doesn’t anticipate any “drastic change” in strategies among the car companies.
“The automakers know where the world is going in terms of low-emissions, high-fuel-economy vehicles, and this is a long-lead business,” Krebs said. “They’re working on cars today that will come out in 2023 or so. So they’re not going to just suddenly change their approach.”

GM, Volkswagen, Toyota and Ford are among the auto companies that have recently announced plans to invest heavily in electric vehicles. Those investments are likely to continue regardless of the U.S. plans, Krebs said.

What’s more, automakers need to plan for the possibility of a shift in the political winds.

“They know this administration won’t be in power forever,” Krebs said. “Things could change and they can’t be caught flat-footed if it does shift back.”

Customer preferences could change, too.

“Ultimately, we believe consumers, local/city governments and tech-sponsored megafleets will be the deciding factor that drives an inflection in EV adoption and CO2 reduction,” Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas wrote last week in a research note.

You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:21 AM   #8
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Who needs clean water or air, short sightedness is a bill our children’s children will have to pay, but if you don’t care than it’s a win. I’d rather pay a little more for my next truck, but vehicle emissions are only a small piece of the global warming puzzle, but when you have a president who doesn’t even believe in the science, there will be zero effort to solve the puzzle.
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i’m also willing to make some
sacrifices, if sacrifices are needed and will help. i’m less inclined to go along if the goal here isn’t to make the planet more healthy, as much as the goal is to re-shape the world to look more like the liberal vision, for purely political purposes.

when i see how the leaders of this movement choose to live, i cant help but wonder if they come close to believing what they claim to believe. and why aren’t we
building nuclear plants? because wind and solar aren’t going to cut it, the math is clear.
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I like my clean air and clean water - and we all have been paying more for that privilege. Is the balance off? Will there ever be a good balance between both sides?

The danger is in the excess of the sides - the Enviromilitant hard left will protest and have everyone eating algae - the ConsumeAllResources right would run roughshod over everything.

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The consumer will ultimately benefit more than any company.
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So the federal government mandating the use of ethanol for political reasons is OK, but California engaging in a mutually beneficial negotiation with manufacturers is not?

You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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So much for the right pushing for states rights, huh?

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So the federal government mandating the use of ethanol for political reasons is OK, but California engaging in a mutually beneficial negotiation with manufacturers is not?
Pete,if it were my choice then none of us would know what ethanol is. Don’t forget this will impact more than just the manufacturers. The pluses outweigh the minuses to a lot of people,less hoops to jump through.
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:30 AM   #14
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Just who are the hoop jumpers, do we want to trade globally or not?
Trump has a pro fossil fuel agenda and thinks the more we and the world consume the better off we are.
We already produce the highest amount of carbon per person for countries our size.

The auto companies are in a difficult position because globally, they are being pushed to compete for a market that is increasingly demanding advanced technology vehicles. China is mandating that all vehicles sold be zero-emission, either battery or fuel cell vehicles, within a very short period of time. And so they need to be focusing their efforts, their engineering efforts and their internal planning efforts, on becoming competitive in that market. They can’t be operating with confusion over what the standards are going to be for their base product, the core of their business, which is still the internal combustion engine.

So the great advantage of the planned standards was that it set a path for a decade of peace and stability and planning, and everybody knew what the rules were going to be. By throwing a monkey wrench into this approach, what the Trump administration did is create confusion and anxiety. The companies that approached us were looking for a way to create a zone of peace by agreeing on a set of standards voluntarily… that included consideration of improvements they would be making in the cars they sell throughout the country, and avoid aggressive enforcement actions or other collateral damage while California and the federal government try to resolve our differences about how to move forward.

You are distracting. Again. There is a transcript. There are documents. The IGIC says this is all credible. Try focusing on that.
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Old 09-19-2019, 10:32 AM   #15
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Try selling a car in CA to understand the biggest issue.
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Old 09-19-2019, 11:02 AM   #16
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More than 25% of the passenger vehicles sold in the US meet Cali standards and likely the one you drive does.

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Explain

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/de...t_facts/ffvr29

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Old 09-19-2019, 11:12 AM   #17
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Higher standards = product innovation which drives business. So I guess some people are against clean air and good jobs.
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More than 25% of the passenger vehicles sold in the US meet Cali standards and likely the one you drive does.

actually, that would make it more unlikely....about a 75% chance it doesn't
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[QUOTE=spence;1174422

So I guess some people are against clean air and good jobs.

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oh definitely...I love when you reason like a 4 year old
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Buying a Vehicle From Out of State - Can You Register It in California? (FFVR 29)
The Bottom Line
If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck, or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws to be registered in California. This includes certain diesel-powered vehicles. DMV cannot accept an application to register a vehicle in California that does not qualify for registration (California Health and Safety Code §§43150 - 43156).

What is Considered a New Vehicle?
California considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase or trade by a California resident or business, to be a new vehicle. This is true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state.

Aren't All Vehicles California Certified?
Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold in California. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold only in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-state) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. California-certified (50-state) vehicles are made to be sold in California.

Check the Label
To find out whether a car, truck, or motorcycle is California certified, check the emission label under the hood. For a motorcycle, check the frame or refer to your owner' s manual for the location. The label should read that the vehicle conforms to California regulations, or that it is legal for sale in California.

Exemptions
There are a few exemptions to the law. As a California resident, you may be able to register a 49-state vehicle if it was:

Obtained as part of a divorce, inheritance, or legal separation settlement.
Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was stolen while you were using the vehicle out-of-state.
Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was destroyed or made inoperative beyond reasonable repair while you were using the vehicle out of state.
An emergency vehicle, pursuant to California Vehicle Code § §27156.2 and 27156.3.
Registered by you in the state of your last active military service outside California.
A street motorcycle or motor-driven cycle year model 2005 and older, with an engine less than 50 cubic centimeters (cc) displacement. Beginning January 1, 2006, street motorcycles and motor-driven cycles year model 2006 and newer, with engines less than 50 cc displacement, require an emission label certifying them to meet U.S. Environmental Protection Agency emission regulations, and may be registered regardless of mileage.

Does This Apply to Someone Moving to California?
If you are moving to California from another state, you may register a new 49-state vehicle if it was first registered by you in your home state, or for military personnel, in the last state of your military service. When applying for vehicle registration in California, you must provide evidence that the vehicle was registered.

Vehicles Purchased From Out of the Country (Grey Market)
California has special requirements for vehicles imported from other countries (including Canada and Mexico). It may be very costly or impossible to modify these vehicles to meet California emission requirements and/or federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS). No direct import vehicle less than two years old can be converted to California emission standards. Not all direct import vehicles over two years old can be converted to California emission standards and FMVSS. No motorcycle or diesel-powered vehicle can be converted to California emission standards. For details, contact the California Air Resources Board (ARB).

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actually, that would make it more unlikely....about a 75% chance it doesn't
Odds are he lives in New England and that makes it better than 75%

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

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America is open for business.
It seems CA will follow suit.
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Odds are he lives in New England and that makes it better than 75%

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.
ummmm.... no

your math sucks
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The biggest issue is you don't understand auto manufacturers are NOT going to design and build vehicles for dozens of different markets and globally they realize lower or zero emission is what the future will demand. Trump is ignorant if he thinks this move will do anything to suddenly change the course of design in the auto industry, this is Trump being Trump. He can't stand the left leaning California mentality, their massive economy and impact, that they passed legislation requiring a presidential candidate fork over tax returns to get on their ballet, or maybe he is just jealous they can balance a budget and he just killing ours.
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ummmm.... no

your math sucks
Odds are he lives in New England and that makes it better than 75%

New England total population is about 14 million
New Hampshire, the only state in NE without CARB is 1.4 million or ten percent.

So not only does your math suck, your logic does also.

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The biggest issue is you don't understand auto manufacturers are NOT going to design and build vehicles for dozens of different markets and globally they realize lower or zero emission is what the future will demand. Trump is ignorant if he thinks this move will do anything to suddenly change the course of design in the auto industry, this is Trump being Trump. He can't stand the left leaning California mentality, their massive economy and impact, that they passed legislation requiring a presidential candidate fork over tax returns to get on their ballet, or maybe he is just jealous they can balance a budget and he just killing ours.
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So much for the right pushing for states rights, huh?
That was my initial thought, as well
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Well, not surprising, we are the only sane ones in this forum....

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