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09-03-2017, 10:44 AM
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H-Bomb
5.8-6.2 mag quake at NORK nuke site. Building ins China and Russia shaking.
Worst case scenario:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...-in-emp-strike
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09-03-2017, 11:27 AM
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What are you worried about they can't hit Boston.
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09-03-2017, 11:41 AM
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What are you worried about they can't hit Boston.
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Well, if they could put that on their HS14 they could hit Boston, and NY (and NWC NPT).
Norks have been successful with a lot of their tests lately.
Out on the edge of possible - hence the worst case scenario -is the EMP.
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09-03-2017, 02:33 PM
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Even more disturbing is seeing how far he has gone without either Russia or China taking a stand. Unless one of them is in bed with him.... One would think that Putin values his vast bank account more than any trust or alliance with Kim. And I am a little surprised that China's US educated president hasn't minimized Kim's risk to his country's growth position in the world economy. Both of those leaders have much more to lose than Kim does if he lights off a live one.....
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09-04-2017, 01:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
What are you worried about they can't hit Boston.
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how are things in Canada?
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09-05-2017, 07:44 AM
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Who says you have to launch it from NK? Possibilities are endless for NK to farm it out to other bad actors. Hell, it could be possible to place it on a Merchant ship bound for a US port. Something that big doesn't even need to be detonated close - just downwind toward the US. A terrorists dream. This guy needs to be taken out.
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09-05-2017, 07:47 AM
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Trump doesn't have the balls to actually get militarily involved here. He will talk this up and push things to the brink but it's all talk. It reminds me of Obamas red line in the sand regarding Syria
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09-05-2017, 07:48 AM
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And if he did get us involved, we will be looking at WWIII.
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09-05-2017, 08:00 AM
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Looks like we will be potentially cutting off all trade with any country that supports NK - China. Will isolating China work since they have financed most of our debt?
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09-05-2017, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DZ
Looks like we will be potentially cutting off all trade with any country that supports NK - China. Will isolating China work since they have financed most of our debt?
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It would shutdown the global economy.
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09-05-2017, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DZ
Who says you have to launch it from NK? Possibilities are endless for NK to farm it out to other bad actors. Hell, it could be possible to place it on a Merchant ship bound for a US port. Something that big doesn't even need to be detonated close - just downwind toward the US. A terrorists dream. This guy needs to be taken out.
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They are known for sharing much of their nuke tech with Iran. Gee, almost wonder who could be financing this. In an unrelated note, glad Obama stopped Iran's nuke problem and didn't give them any money.
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Trump doesn't have the balls to actually get militarily involved here. He will talk this up and push things to the brink but it's all talk. It reminds me of Obamas red line in the sand regarding Syria
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I am not sure about this.
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It would shutdown the global economy.
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Yes. And the fraying ends of global peace with it maybe.
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09-05-2017, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
They are known for sharing much of their nuke tech with Iran. Gee, almost wonder who could be financing this. In an unrelated note, glad Obama stopped Iran's nuke problem and didn't give them any money.
I am not sure about this.
Yes. And the fraying ends of global peace with it maybe.
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And with the fraying of global peace.... you have...... wait forrrrrrr it...........wait forrrrrrrrrrr it...........
WW3
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09-05-2017, 01:42 PM
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And with the fraying of global peace.... you have...... wait forrrrrrr it...........wait forrrrrrrrrrr it...........
WW3
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10 million North / South Koreans dead would be horrible, beyond horrible - but not existential.
China / Russia, that is existential.
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09-05-2017, 02:43 PM
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You would think China would have a vested interest in reining in this nut job, but it's scary to see Kim just continue to escalate the testing and rhetoric.
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09-05-2017, 04:03 PM
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the North has the Bomb it keeps them safe its not offensive nor are ours
Trump and his UN ambassador have boxed themselves in a corner.. with all the tough talk their base loves ... I am not sure the base fully understands this isn't some Isis guy they watched get smoked thru a Thermal camera
A shooting war will cost many American Lives ..
And China has a treaty with the North generally promoted peaceful cooperation in the areas of culture, economics, technology and other social benefits between the two nations.[4] Specifically, Article 2 of the treaty declares the two nations undertake all necessary measures to oppose any country or coalition of countries that might attack either nation.[5]
The most recent renewal will remain in effect until 2021.
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09-05-2017, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DZ
Who says you have to launch it from NK? Possibilities are endless for NK to farm it out to other bad actors. Hell, it could be possible to place it on a Merchant ship bound for a US port. Something that big doesn't even need to be detonated close - just downwind toward the US. A terrorists dream. This guy needs to be taken out.
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Thats pure fear mongering there is no intel about a 1st strike weapon ,, your SCENARIO applies more to Pakistan
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09-05-2017, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
You would think China would have a vested interest in reining in this nut job, but it's scary to see Kim just continue to escalate the testing and rhetoric.
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He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US
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09-05-2017, 04:49 PM
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He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US
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Because he was really a traditional leader before Trump was president?
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09-05-2017, 05:08 PM
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He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US
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Maybe your idea of a traditional leader and I don't think Trump is playing games . Your boy played games
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09-05-2017, 06:37 PM
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Maybe your idea of a traditional leader and I don't think Trump is playing games . Your boy played games
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Your correct Trump has no idea how the games played ... and that in its self is a problem. .. well it's your boys ball now! not many choices does he punt or go long or attack north korea plz tell us what should he do ?
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09-06-2017, 08:23 AM
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And now we have had the possibility of an EMP attack put into the conversation by..... North Korea. They don't need to be able to "hit" Boston, or NY, or DC. Just lob it up there, 250 miles above, say, middle continental US, right around space station altitude and detonate.... Nothing you can look at from where you are reading this will operate if it needs electric power.....
Got Coleman stove?
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09-06-2017, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
And now we have had the possibility of an EMP attack put into the conversation by..... North Korea. They don't need to be able to "hit" Boston, or NY, or DC. Just lob it up there, 250 miles above, say, middle continental US, right around space station altitude and detonate.... Nothing you can look at from where you are reading this will operate if it needs electric power.....
Got Coleman stove?
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EMP is arguably my greatest concern and I have seen smart people on the nuke discuss both state it is over-hyped and not much of a threat to everyone willdiestarfishprime .
What I do know is that a federal group I am member of has been actively looking at it for some time.
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09-06-2017, 11:14 AM
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We could simply return to the way we handled Kim for the previous 8 years. Send him some Uranium and Physics books and tell him to go play in his room... How'd that work out for us?
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09-06-2017, 11:25 AM
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We could simply return to the way we handled Kim for the previous 8 years. Send him some Uranium and Physics books and tell him to go play in his room... How'd that work out for us?
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Unless you wanted to invade and have Seoul leveled by howitzers I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do.
It will be interesting to see how China's position evolves on this. There's concern growing that the mountain they've been detonating all these bombs under could collapse and start spreading radiation into China...this wouldn't be good.
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09-06-2017, 11:30 AM
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Unless you wanted to invade and have Seoul leveled by howitzers I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do.
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well...he did lower the ocean levels and kill Bin Laden...also handled the Russians, Syrians and Iranians "brilliantly"....so NK should have been a lay up....maybe a cup o' tea with the dictator or something ![Smilie](http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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09-06-2017, 01:56 PM
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He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US
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"He's following Trumps Lead"
So Kim wasn't playing games until Trump got elected?
"Kim is being a non Traditional Leader"
Non-traditional? That's how you describe him? Geez, don't be so hard on the guy.
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09-06-2017, 01:57 PM
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Unless you wanted to invade and have Seoul leveled by howitzers I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do.
It will be interesting to see how China's position evolves on this. There's concern growing that the mountain they've been detonating all these bombs under could collapse and start spreading radiation into China...this wouldn't be good.
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"I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do. "
I "expected" Obama to do exactly what he did, i.e., zip. I "hoped" he would do what the world knows needs to be done, which is to get China to reign that maniac in.
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09-06-2017, 01:58 PM
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well...he did lower the ocean levels and kill Bin Laden...also handled the Russians, Syrians and Iranians "brilliantly"....so NK should have been a lay up....maybe a cup o' tea with the dictator or something ![Smilie](http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Brilliant. I am curious to see what response you get from the Obama apologists...
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09-06-2017, 02:46 PM
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Brilliant. I am curious to see what response you get from the Obama apologists...
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I heard he was on Facebook attacking Trump...which is pretty funny if you think about it....maybe Obama will fly to Florida, hold up his arms and divert the hurricane ![BigLaugh](http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif)
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09-06-2017, 02:55 PM
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Brilliant. I am curious to see what response you get from the Obama apologists...
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As opposed to the Trump apologists who claim NK is Obama's fault but give Trump credit from day 1 for the economy? Maybe Trump should have worked on NK earlier and it would have all been solved?
Hypocrites?
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