Abuse of power

[Slipknot]

http://conservativetribune.com/obama...reat-sheriffs/

that is what this is

read the whole thing, it's not that long

How long will this continue?

you people voted for him

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

http://conservativetribune.com/obama...reat-sheriffs/

that is what this is

read the whole thing, it's not that long

How long will this continue?

you people voted for him

This stuff is great. I've noticed that an alarming number of postings from conservative tabloid sites all lead with some form of

BOMBSHELL!!!

Yet never actually report on anything substantial or rarely even cite credible references.

The first link refers it's based on another report that doesn't say anything different.

So all this hype is over a local sheriff's Facebook post???

Really???

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

This stuff is great. I've noticed that an alarming number of postings from conservative tabloid sites all lead with some form of

BOMBSHELL!!!

Yet never actually report on anything substantial or rarely even cite credible references.

The first link refers it's based on another report that doesn't say anything different.

So all this hype is over a local sheriff's Facebook post???

Really???

Hey Spence: Here is the letter from the DHS.GOV site:

http://www.dhs.gov/news/2015/02/03/s...y-grant-making

Statement by Secretary Jeh C. Johnson on the Consequences of our Homeland Security Grant-Making without a DHS Appropriations Bill

Release Date:
February 3, 2015


For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010
In recent days I have repeatedly stressed the need for a DHS appropriations bill for FY 2015, unburdened by politically charged amendments that attempt to defund our executive actions on immigration reform. The President has made plain that he will veto a bill that includes such language.
As long as this Department -- which interfaces with the public more than any other -- is funded by a continuing resolution, there are a whole series of activities vital to homeland security and public safety that cannot be undertaken.
One of the many consequences of operating on a continuing resolution is our inability to fund new non-disaster grants to state, local and tribal governments, law enforcement, emergency response officials and fire departments. Every governor, mayor, police chief, county sheriff, emergency manager and fire chief should care about this. These officials know that the grants we provide help them protect their communities. For example, last week when I visited the multi-agency coordinating center in Phoenix responsible for the security of the Super Bowl, officials pointed out to me that almost all the surveillance and communications equipment there was funded by the Department of Homeland Security.
Here are some other examples of the types of state, local and tribal government activities vital to homeland security and public safety that are funded by grants from this Department:

• salaries for state and local emergency managers in all 50 states, U.S. territories and the District of Columbia;
• new communications equipment for over 80 public safety agencies in the Los Angeles area to replace aging and incompatible radio systems;
• surveillance cameras and environmental sensors used by the New York City Police Department to detect in real time potential terrorist activity;
• increased security for the MTA, PATH trains and tunnels in the New York City area;
• improved campus security at K-12 public schools, colleges and universities in the state of Florida;
• K-9 units to detect explosive ordinance in the state of Massachusetts;
• upgraded oxygen masks and tanks for over 30 firefighter and law enforcement agencies in the Denver metropolitan area;
• the Arizona Counterterrorism Fusion Center, which provides intelligence and information from this Department to state and local law enforcement there;
• fifteen mobile command centers for possible catastrophic incidents in the state of Kentucky;
• 150 firefighter jobs in the city of Detroit; and
• bomb squads in the state of Idaho.

On behalf of the men and women of this Department who work every day to keep the homeland safe, I urge that Congress pass an appropriations bill for this Department, free of politically charged amendments to defund our executive actions. Time is running short.
For more information, visit www.dhs.gov.

###

Review Date:
February 3, 2015

So DHS is pressuring end usergroups to support the DHS budget in its entirety while the House of Reps reviews how to put the budget through without funding the executive actions done on behalf of illegal aliens (constitutional term) by Obama. Does that sum it up sufficiently for you? The Right Wing Bombshell site of DHS.GOV?

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

So DHS is pressuring end usergroups to support the DHS budget in its entirety while the House of Reps reviews how to put the budget through without funding the executive actions done on behalf of illegal aliens (constitutional term) by Obama. Does that sum it up sufficiently for you? The Right Wing Bombshell site of DHS.GOV?

The article linked stated...

BOMBSHELL: Obama Sends Letter Issuing Massive Threat to Sheriffs Across the Country

The DHS memo pretty calmly states to Congress that if they want to play politics with DHS funding it's going to have a direct impact on the people doing the work within their districts.

This isn't a "massive threat" and it's not a BOMBSHELL!!!

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

The article linked stated...



The DHS memo pretty calmly states to Congress that if they want to play politics with DHS funding it's going to have a direct impact on the people doing the work within their districts.

This isn't a "massive threat" and it's not a BOMBSHELL!!!

OMG, OMG, OMG, the used "BOMBSHELL" and then a colon to link to an article which references a true statement made by the DHS. Clearly they are evil and sensationalizing that topic because they used bombshell.

Did the post it in oversized font and in red?

[Slipknot]

How about the innocent Americans killed by illegal aliens convicts?
Is that hype?
That is his doing, if they were not here, they would not murder Americans

Impeach him
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

How about the innocent Americans killed by illegal aliens convicts?
Is that hype?
That is his doing, if they were not here, they would not murder Americans
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

What exactly is the administration "threatening" the local police with and how does this have any bearing on the Golvach killing?

What's the BOMBSHELL!!!!

[Slipknot]

it's a pattern with him
cause and effect
He wants to give amnesty and the public suffers, seems f'ed up to me so I say f him impeach him now

bombshell ? follow the evidence
John gave you a good example, did you see that?
strong arm politics Chicago style threatening local enforcement with budget cuts to get his way. seems pretty simple to me, your brain cannot see it though apparently.

I didn't know the Tea party site was a tabloid
most of the entire whack job Democrats are tabloid

[Slipknot]

http://conservativetribune.com/kelly-white-house/

watch the whole video

[JohnR]

Bruce - don't backstep so fast when Spence lays out his response - sometimes he is correct, more often he is not, frequently falling into the space between.

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I didn't know the Tea party site was a tabloid
most of the entire whack job Democrats are tabloid

BTW - what Tea Party site is Tabloid? or http://conservativetribune.com/

What Spence doesn't say is that MANY different Political sites can be considered Tabloid, he only says the Tea Party ones are Tabloid. He also meglects to mention that these sites - on both sides of the coin, like the political parties, like to cater to their base.

Bias is only bad if it is the other guys, right?

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

What Spence doesn't say is that MANY different Political sites can be considered Tabloid, he only says the Tea Party ones are Tabloid. He also meglects to mention that these sites - on both sides of the coin, like the political parties, like to cater to their base.

Bias is only bad if it is the other guys, right?

I was responding to the link as posted, not making a broader analysis. My guess would be that there's nothing on the left that compares to the tabloid hype machine on the right.

[Slipknot]

Spencer Golvach

Google it

The American tea party
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Raven]

he reminds me of a snake oil salesman like on Josey wales.

[spence]

Woa, this seals the deal for me.

http://conservativetribune.com/did-o...it-hes-muslim/

[Fly Rod]

maybe before he leaves office he will introduce an exsecutive order make shariah law the law of the land...that will be his gift to the country.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

maybe before he leaves office he will introduce an exsecutive order make shariah law the law of the land...that will be his gift to the country.

This is highly likely, almost inevitable when you think about it.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I was responding to the link as posted, not making a broader analysis. My guess would be that there's nothing on the left that compares to the tabloid hype machine on the right.

Ahhh, here is what you posted, I will bold it out though so you can see your broad brush

"I've noticed that an alarming number of postings from conservative tabloid sites all lead with some form of

BOMBSHELL!!!"

[PaulS]

Look at how much you post and insult the Pres. Is there anyone on here who insulted Pres. Bush that much?

I agree that there are kooks on both sides. It seems to me (as someone who voted for Pres. Bush for his first term) that the insults and complaints have bc more mainstream from the right.

So why/how did we get into Iraq? Was it a lie or the worse intelligence failure of our lifetime?

Don't you think getting us into a war would raises someone's hackles a lot more than providing them w/health insurance?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Look at how much you post and insult the Pres. Is there anyone on here who insulted Pres. Bush that much?

So why/how did we get into Iraq? Was it a lie or the worse intelligence failure of our lifetime?

True. But what I do is a reflection of me, it doesn't say anything about everyone else who happens to vote the same way as me. You have posted that Tea Baggers are racist. i don't hold anyone else accountable for that statement, just you.

"Is there anyone on here who insulted Pres. Bush that much?"

I didn't realize the question was limited to those who post here?

"So why/how did we get into Iraq?"

You don't know? The vast, vast majority of our leaders in DC authorized the use of force, because the vast, vast majority of them (including your party's next nominee for President, Hilary Clinton) were certain they had WMDs.

"Was it a lie or the worse intelligence failure of our lifetime"

It wasn't a lie, that's for sure. There's a big difference between being wrong, and lying. Did Hilary lie when she said Iraq had WMDs, and when she authorized the use of force?

It's fair to hold Bush accountable for his incorrect conclusion, but a large majority in DC (including Senators Clinton, Biden, Kerry, Edwards) also looked at the same intelligence, and consluded that the invasion was justified.

So why is Bush criticized (which is fair), and those Democrats who reached the exact same conclusion as Bush, get a free pass? Hmmm?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True. But what I do is a reflection of me, it doesn't say anything about everyone else who happens to vote the same way as me.No but it is indicative of how the internet has made it easier for every Tom, #^&#^&#^&#^& and Harry to insult anyone they want. Is there any difference bt some troll who can't post anything more intelligent than insulting a Pres. name and a TV talking head besides the size of their audience? You have posted that Tea Baggers are racist. i don't hold anyone else accountable for that statement, just you.We all have seen the signs and until the leadership told their members to tone it down, the signs were very common at the early protests. You admitted that yourself previously.

"Is there anyone on here who insulted Pres. Bush that much?"

I didn't realize the question was limited to those who post here? Well the poster didn't state he was talking about the general public or here so I'll give you that one. But it is indicative of what has happened over the last # of years.

"So why/how did we get into Iraq?"

You don't know? The vast, vast majority of our leaders in DC authorized the use of force, because the vast, vast majority of them (including your party's next nominee for President, Hilary Clinton) were certain they had WMDs.

"Was it a lie or the worse intelligence failure of our lifetime"

It wasn't a lie, that's for sure So then it was the biggest intelligence failure of our lifetime?. There's a big difference between being wrong, and lying. Did Hilary lie when she said Iraq had WMDs, and when she authorized the use of force?She voted on what she was told - and the intelligence (or lack of intelligence) was all wrong.

It's fair to hold Bush accountable for his incorrect conclusion, but a large majority in DC (including Senators Clinton, Biden, Kerry, Edwards) also looked at the same intelligence, and consluded that the invasion was justified.

So why is Bush criticized (which is fair), and those Democrats who reached the exact same conclusion as Bush, get a free pass? Hmmm?

BC, it was HIS admin. who provided that intelligence for congress to vote on.

Again, I'll ask -don't you think people are more justified about getting us into a war based on bad intelligence (and I think it went beyond that to some lies and some ignoring anything that didn't fit in w/the what the admin. wanted) and trying to provide health insur. for people who don't have it?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

BC, it was HIS admin. who provided that intelligence for congress to vote on.

Again, I'll ask -don't you think people are more justified about getting us into a war based on bad intelligence (and I think it went beyond that to some lies and some ignoring anything that didn't fit in w/the what the admin. wanted) and trying to provide health insur. for people who don't have it?

Oh, the signs at tea party ralies mean that tea partiers are inherently racist?

A few signs among large groups. And we know for a fact, that some of th epeople holding those signs, were planted by liberal groups to fool people exactly like you into concluding exactly what you concluded...that a group that believes in fiscal responsibility, is racist, despite the fact that said groupo has endorsed monority candidates who support their agenda. You've been played for a sucker by those on you rside. If someone did that to me, I'd be upset, but that's just me.

"it was HIS admin. who provided that intelligence for congress to vote on"

Correct, and the large majority of people who looked at that evidence, arrived at the same conslusion he did. He didn't lie or manufacture evidence...if he did, I'd be the first one calling for his impeachment and arrest. He was wrong. Many, many people were wrong. They were equally wrong.

"I think it went beyond that to some lies "

The "Bush lied, people died" slogan makes for a great bumper sticker. There's no proof of it. You're entitled to your beliefs. Many people think 9/11 was an insoide jobm many people think Obama wasn't born here. All are very weak conslusions, IMHO...

"trying to provide health insur. for people who don't have it?[/"

Again, it's demonstrably false that only your side wants to insur emore people. My side wants to do it too, we just have a dfferent approach (using exchanges and vouchers, getting more people into good jobs, enacting tort reform, which unlike Obamacare would actually decrease costs and let more people get insurance).

Getting more people access to healthcare, in and of itself, is a good thing. Making free birth control (specifically for use in recreational sex) a part of that, and exempting union employees from taxes on cadillac plans becaiuse they happen to vote for democrats, and forcing Christians to abandon their religious beliefs in the process, is not a good thing.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"it was HIS admin. who provided that intelligence for congress to vote on"

Correct, and the large majority of people who looked at that evidence, arrived at the same conslusion he didThe admin ignored any bit of evidence that contradicted their view - curveball, aluminum tubes, etc. . He didn't lie or manufacture evidence..We really don't know that and that is why I asked the question. So who does the fault rest with - people who voted on info. which was incorrect or the people who developed that info.?.if he did, I'd be the first one calling for his impeachment and arrest. He was wrong. Many, many people were wrong. They were equally wrong.

"I think it went beyond that to some lies "

The "Bush lied, people died" slogan makes for a great bumper sticker. There's no proof of it. You're entitled to your beliefs. Many people think 9/11 was an insoide jobm many people think Obama wasn't born here. All are very weak conslusions, IMHO...So I guess it is that the admin had the biggest intelligence failure of our generation if not since our countries founding. Thanks

"trying to provide health insur. for people who don't have it?[/"

Again, it's demonstrably false that only your side wants to insur emore people. My side wants to do it too, we just have a dfferent approach (using exchanges and vouchers, getting more people into good jobs, enacting tort reform, which unlike Obamacare would actually decrease costs and let more people get insurance).

Getting more people access to healthcare, in and of itself, is a good thing. Making free birth control (specifically for use in recreational sex) a part of that, and exempting union employees from taxes on cadillac plans becaiuse they happen to vote for democrats, and forcing Christians to abandon their religious beliefs in the process, is not a good thing.

So what legislation has "your side" (since I guess it is either your side or my side) proposed? They have voted what - 55?? times to canc. the ACA but I haven't seen any alternatives.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Don't you think getting us into a war would raises someone's hackles a lot more than providing them w/health insurance?

"providing" ????

Providing? or forcing Obama care upon us after many false promises
another example of abuse of power

[Fly Rod]

Sorry Jim BUT Repubs do not have enough votes in senate to oust Obamacare....would pass in the house but no further.

[JohnR]

Well - I guess you can compare Benghazi and ACA - there was intelligence on both predicting significant failures that were ignored by the administration.

D'oh!

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Well - I guess you can compare Benghazi and ACA - there was intelligence on both predicting significant failures that were ignored by the administration.

D'oh!

And then you should read this...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...e-amicus-brief

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

"providing" ????

Providing? or forcing Obama care upon us after many false promises
another example of abuse of power

So why isn't any legislation that passes forcing something on us and wouldn't that then be an abuse of power? I thought the SC took up this question?

[TheSpecialist]

Why do you guys bother , it's like talking to a wall.............

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Why do you guys bother , it's like talking to a wall.............

It is either this or work.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It is either this or work.

What he said...