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03-13-2018, 09:05 AM
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Rex says thank God!
Finally I'm out of this crazy place.
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03-13-2018, 09:38 AM
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This is not good. Tillerson was the one person in trumps clown car who knew how to drive and read a road map. Dark days ahead... however I could be and usually am wrong.
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03-13-2018, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
This is not good. Tillerson was the one person in trumps clown car who knew how to drive and read a road map. Dark days ahead... however I could be and usually am wrong.
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Well, this is not true; Haley is doing a very good job, McMasters is OK (though probably on way out) and Chaos might be the best Damn SecDef in Forever - and certainly at least since Bob Gates |
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03-13-2018, 09:48 AM
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Looks like he got fired by Tweet - didn't even have a one on one with
the Pres. Propbably as a result of Rex's Anti-Russian tweet - this is what concerns me most about Trump - if there is real influence on DJT by Pooti
Spite fire - like with Comey.
Personally I want to thank the Dems and the Republicans for putting forward the worst effing possible candidates. When I think of how bad this is it is at least tempered by it could have been Hillary or Bernie.
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03-13-2018, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Propbably as a result of Rex's Anti-Russian tweet - this is what concerns me most about Trump - if there is real influence on DJT by Pooti.
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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03-13-2018, 10:08 AM
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Would have felt much better with Rex sitting down solo or beside DJT with little rocket man, now you only have the bad cop.
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03-13-2018, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
the Pres. Propbably as a result of Rex's Anti-Russian tweet - this is what concerns me most about Trump - if there is real influence on DJT by Pooti
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At this point I don't see how else you explain away his inability to be critical of Russia. |
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03-13-2018, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
At this point I don't see how else you explain away his inability to be critical of Russia.
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Would have been real nice if the previous admin had done anything about it - like calling the 80s to redistribute their foreign policy.
So we have TWO back to back administrations that are completely mismanaging the greatest (arguably) Geopolitical / foreign policy threat.
(my list: Russia & China,Russia, China, 20TB and growing debt, Norks, Syria, failure of liberal western democracies) |
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03-13-2018, 11:04 AM
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So we have TWO back to back administrations that are completely mismanaging the greatest (arguably) Geopolitical / foreign policy threat.
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Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things. |
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03-13-2018, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.
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What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do? |
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03-13-2018, 10:14 AM
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Ahead of meeting with NK (assuming it ever happens and wasn’t just djt having impulsive verbal diarrhea, which is what it seems) without tillerson, or even N ambassador to SK... what could go wrong....
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03-13-2018, 12:25 PM
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From listening to talking heads and reading between the lines somewhat, it sounds like Tillerson was operating the State Dept as he liked and ignoring the (moron in the) WH.
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03-13-2018, 02:06 PM
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Success of his business interests in Russia rely on Putin's support. His behavior toward Russia is embarrassing. Only a trumpite wouldn't see that.
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03-13-2018, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Success of his business interests in Russia rely on Putin's support. His behavior toward Russia is embarrassing. Only a trumpite wouldn't see that.
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The reason that I don't see what anti-trumpers want me to see is that they present innuendo, conjecture, and contradiction without hard evidence of conspiracy and then claim there is something to see.
For instance, Pete F. posts a 6 point list of things Putin supposedly wants:
What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers
and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support. |
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03-13-2018, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support.
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He didn't imply any such thing. The implication was why Trump's behavior doesn't push back against those same things given the consensus among government agencies as to Russia's intent.
Hell, Sanders yesterday wouldn't even play with implicating Russia in the UK assassination even though one of our most trusted allies and even our own Secretary of State (oops) have spoken otherwise. |
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03-13-2018, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
He didn't imply any such thing.
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Well if Pete didn't imply that Trump wanted what Putin wanted, then what was the connection between the two statements that sandwiched the 6 items: "What would Putin want? [the six items] "What does Trump's behavior tell you?" I assumed that what Pete referred to as Trump's unspecified behavior re those six items was connected to what Putin would want--that Trump's supposed behavior supported Putin's desires.
The implication was why Trump's behavior doesn't push back against those same things given the consensus among government agencies as to Russia's intent.
So your saying that his implication was only to ask a question for which he has no inferred answer, that his question was not rhetorical, it was just wondering what did I think--then he wasn 't actually saying anything about Trump's unspecified behavior, and I can't answer a vague question regarding unspecified behavior. Nor do I wish to even try.
Hell, Sanders yesterday wouldn't even play with implicating Russia in the UK assassination even though one of our most trusted allies and even our own Secretary of State (oops) have spoken otherwise.[/QUOTE]
And what is that supposed to tell us about Trump's intentions? What does your assertion that Trump is under Putin's thumb supposed to imply about Trump's behavior?
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03-13-2018, 04:50 PM
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if his 1st picks are all gone who's better?? or is going to surround himself with just members from his fan club ?
America 1st or Trump 1st starting to think its the other way around
going to west to look at wall samples and another rally(base love fest to boost his ego ) he's a micro manager for sure
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03-13-2018, 06:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch
The reason that I don't see what anti-trumpers want me to see is that they present innuendo, conjecture, and contradiction without hard evidence of conspiracy and then claim there is something to see.
For instance, Pete F. posts a 6 point list of things Putin supposedly wants:
What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers
and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support.
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I made a list of some of Putin’s possible goals or things that would further Putin’s agenda. You are welcome to refute it by example but saying blindly that Trump has our best interests at heart because Doesn’t work.
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03-13-2018, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I made a list of some of Putin’s possible goals or things that would further Putin’s agenda. You are welcome to refute it by example but saying blindly that Trump has our best interests at heart because Doesn’t work.
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I didn't try to refute that Putin, "possibly," had those goals. I assumed that you were implying that Trump supported what Putin, possibly, wanted. I didn't say blindly, or with 20/20 vision, that Trump has our best interests at heart, nor did I say he doesn't.
If you didn't imply that Trump was in accord with, or supported, or conspired with Putin's desires re those 6 points, then I have no idea about what you were trying to say by bringing up Putin and six things he possibly wanted and connecting Trump to that by asking what Trump's unspecified behavior told me? |
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03-13-2018, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
I didn't try to refute that Putin, "possibly," had those goals. I assumed that you were implying that Trump supported what Putin, possibly, wanted. I didn't say blindly, or with 20/20 vision, that Trump has our best interests at heart, nor did I say he doesn't.
If you didn't imply that Trump was in accord with, or supported, or conspired with Putin's desires re those 6 points, then I have no idea about what you were trying to say by bringing up Putin and six things he possibly wanted and connecting Trump to that by asking what Trump's unspecified behavior told me?
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I bet the Russian government has video of trump and some Russian hookers getting down in a hotel room. Maybe they are peeing on him. Trump knows they have dirt on him and is going to do what ever it takes to keep it under wraps. The Russians have a word for this type of thing. “ Kompromat” or compromising information. Things don’t add up when you look at his behavior in an objective way.
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03-13-2018, 02:15 PM
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If only 1 firing/quit today, Trump is doing wel!
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03-13-2018, 05:45 PM
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I wonder if it had anything to do with Tillerson calling Trump a moron
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03-13-2018, 06:18 PM
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I wonder if it had anything to do with Tillerson calling Trump a moron
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Surely that had influence. How related to the Russia thing is what gets me in a bunch. |
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03-17-2018, 12:27 PM
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What studs, Trump throws the studs out before the nails are driven. You don’t do his bidding, speak out against his proposed actions or god forbid be potentially helping the Russia investigation are your fired. Your not even given the courtesy of a professional and respectful termination; the thin skinned coward fires you via tweeter. With Russia brazenly looking at all sorts of ways to disrupt our way of life and especially with the recent revelation about how deep into our utilities they have hacked and the murders in the U.K.; what a wonderful time to undermine the FBI.
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03-20-2018, 03:09 PM
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I agree with John McCains harsh response to hearing Trump congratulate Putin on his electoral (joke) win. Trump either idolizes Putin, Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, or he is the pussy I know he is when it comes to Putin. No confrontation about the meddling in our elections, no confrontation about the poisoning of our allies, just a pat on the back.
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03-20-2018, 04:13 PM
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I agree with John McCains harsh response to hearing Trump congratulate Putin on his electoral (joke) win. Trump either idolizes Putin, Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, or he is the pussy I know he is when it comes to Putin. No confrontation about the meddling in our elections, no confrontation about the poisoning of our allies, just a pat on the back.
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I do too. |
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03-20-2018, 06:52 PM
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I agree also
And for those wondering
“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections. And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election.”
www.mccain.senate.go…
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03-20-2018, 07:08 PM
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Don't forget there are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent
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03-20-2018, 07:30 PM
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Don't forget there are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent
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Out country is not exactly innocent but if you draw a moral equivalent between US, PRC, and RUS you need to revisit who the really bad guys are.
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03-20-2018, 08:20 PM
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President Trump, asked by an interviewer on Saturday why he respected President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia even though he is “a killer,” seemed to equate Mr. Putin’s actions with those of the United States.
“You got a lot of killers,” he told the interviewer, Bill O’Reilly of Fox News. “What, you think our country’s so innocent?”
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