Who's stopping immigration reform?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I guess that makes you a better man.

He made an offer, they said yes and he then reneged. Typical Trump

American Man
Americans have sacrificed and paid for 75 years what Trump is destroying in his first term.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He made an offer, they said yes and he then reneged. Typical Trump

I don't recall a yes to his plan. The Senate voted on four plans after he proposed his. His plan garnered the least overall votes and the most no's by Democrats.

American Man
Americans have sacrificed and paid for 75 years what Trump is destroying in his first term.

Are you the model "American Man"? Americans sacrificed and paid for over 200 years what Progressives/Democrats have been destroying for the last 80 years.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Are you the model "American Man"? Americans sacrificed and paid for over 200 years what Progressives/Democrats and Republicans have been destroying for the last 80 years.

Fixed it for you
Perhaps you’ve forgotten who started the Progessive party
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Fixed it for you
Perhaps you’ve forgotten who started the Progessive party

Progressives started the Progressive party. Both Republicans and Democrats have been Progressives. I don't even know the party affiliations of the mid to late 19th century Progressive theorists. I have stated a few times on this forum that the first Progressive President was T. Roosevelt, a nominal Republican. Herbert Hoover was also a Progressive. Nixon very often acted as a Progressive. But virtually all Democrat Presidents from Wilson till now have been Progressive. And the Democrat Congresses have been solidly Progressive since FDR. So the Dem Party is more heavily Progressive and has been for some time. It has even gone further left than the original and mid to late 20th century Progressives.

Are you the model "American Man"?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Progressives started the Progressive party. Both Republicans and Democrats have been Progressives. I don't even know the party affiliations of the mid to late 19th century Progressive theorists. I have stated a few times on this forum that the first Progressive President was T. Roosevelt, a nominal Republican. Herbert Hoover was also a Progressive. Nixon very often acted as a Progressive. But virtually all Democrat Presidents from Wilson till now have been Progressive. And the Democrat Congresses have been solidly Progressive since FDR. So the Dem Party is more heavily Progressive and has been for some time. It has even gone further left than the original and mid to late 20th century Progressives.

Are you the model "American Man"?

Perhaps
Try January 11 of this year for when Trump reneged
Of course he never denies that he said something but people who he’s negotiating with should trust him
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps
Try January 11 of this year for when Trump reneged
Of course he never denies that he said something but people who he’s negotiating with should trust him
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Are you saying that two weeks before Trump proposed to grant the 1.8 million a path to citizenship, he reneged on the plan? He reneged before he made the proposal?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Are you saying that two weeks before Trump proposed to grant the 1.8 million a path to citizenship, he reneged on the plan? He reneged before he made the proposal?

I'm saying on the 9th he agreed to something and on the 11th he reneged.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

American Man
Americans have sacrificed and paid for 75 years what Trump is destroying in his first term.

You say that "perhaps" you're the model "American Man." If the model is to be as indecisive as you demonstrate with your constant barrage of questions that you don't answer or answer with inscrutable comments or with more questions, it is a wonder how this supposed "American Man" accomplished anything over the past 75 years for Trump to destroy.

[wdmso]

total length of the southern border with mexico is 1,954 miles..


Only conservatives see it as easy as putting up a fence in your backyard security does not equal zero ... but you can't compromise with thoses who unrealistically use Zero as a starting point

PS until things are better where people live they will never stop trying to go someplace better. americans do it all the time its called moving from state to state where the work is

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

total length of the southern border with mexico is 1,954 miles..


Only conservatives see it as easy as putting up a fence in your backyard security does not equal zero ... but you can't compromise with thoses who unrealistically use Zero as a starting point

No. People that are willing to discuss this beyond just a wedge issue realize it is more than just a fence (wall) and will take more than just a fence.

In a just world, politicians would have closed excess illegal migration 20 years ago, and offered more and better legal migration, but then both parties could not weaponize this particularly effective wedge issue.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You say that "perhaps" you're the model "American Man." If the model is to be as indecisive as you demonstrate with your constant barrage of questions that you don't answer or answer with inscrutable comments or with more questions, it is a wonder how this supposed "American Man" accomplished anything over the past 75 years for Trump to destroy.

"American men" did it by cooperating in teams with one another toward a common goal, unlike the current president who has shown no ability to lead, only bully and threaten.