How Fake News Is Used to Undermine Trump & Divide America

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You have to wonder why they put them around prisons if they don’t work.
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and why people like nancy pelosi put them around their mansions.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s only hypocrisy, if i give trump a pass for his behavior. how many times have i said he’s a morally bankrupt reptile, how many times have i said he’s more overtly obnoxious than obama?

maybe you don’t know what hypocrisy is?
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I know what hypocrisy is and it was demonstrated many times in those threads where people where crying about Obama but seem to have no problem with behavior many times worse by trump.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I know what hypocrisy is and it was demonstrated many times in those threads where people where crying about Obama but seem to have no problem with behavior many times worse by trump.

You're saying I refuse to criticize Trump for his language and behavior? Let's be very clear here. You think I'm Sean Hannity when it comes to Trump?

You're either way stupider than I thought, or way less honest. Take your pick.

I despise Trump, and my disdain for him is far more genuine than yours or Pete's or Spence's, because it's not based solely on politics. Trump is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. But I am 100% certain the nation is way better off than it would be, if he had lost.

You really humiliated yourself here. Seriously. I've called him a "morally bankrupt reptile" on this board, at least 50 times. I hate his ego, his narcissism, I really hate the way he treats women and how disloyal he is to his family, I hate how vindictive and thin skinned he is.

Is that still too vague for you, Columbo?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I know what hypocrisy is .

You have demonstrated, that you have zero clue what it is.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and why people like nancy pelosi put them around their mansions.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is...-pelosis-home/

[Pete F.]

Let's be very clear here, if you truly despise Trump and only like him for his policies, you have a choice.
If you choose Trump over Walsh, the only rational explanation is that you’re voting for Trump’s character.
You can just acknowledge that character doesn't matter to you, sort of like fiscal responsibility, free trade and the Constitution and you can't look at another candidate.

Joe Walsh, similar policies on immigration, the border, Supreme Court, etc. but was born not hatched, will divest himself of his business and is not looking to become the royal family of the USA.

Can you can you walk me through how you arrived at your decision to run?

Because the guy’s a madman. The guy is completely unfit and unhinged. He lies every time he opens his mouth. When he got elected, Olivia, look: I voted for him. I didn’t love him. I didn’t like him. He wasn’t Hillary.

When he first got elected, I tried doing the good-Trump-bad-Trump thing every day. But that didn’t last that long, because I realized pretty quickly that he just lies all the time, and then he finally lost me at Helsinki, when he stood in front of the world and said, “I’m with Putin and not my own people.” From that moment on, a little over a year ago, it’s just been downhill.

I’m stunned and disappointed that a bigger Republican isn’t challenging him. I waited for months, and I thought somebody would get in. I wrote a piece in the New York Times three weeks ago, and that piece was a plea. I would tweet and say stuff on my radio show with every idiotic thing he did, Come on guys, somebody — and it just wasn’t happening, and some people came to me, and I started to look into it the last month or so.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...ing-trump.html

[Jim in CT]

Pete, wrong at every turn. i don’t believe Walsh can win. I believe trump has a chance. i really wish there was a viable republican candidate with a realistic chance to win, who was a better person.

how about all the democrats who voted for hilary in 2016 over bernie? were they necessarily endorsing her character?

i could
do a write in vote for Condaleeza Rice if character is literally all that matters. But winning matters.

i’m voting for
trump over walsh if theres a primary, because the choice as i see it, is trump or whatever freak comes out of the democratic primaries.
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[Jim in CT]

why i voted for him over Hilary? simple. i want a potus who will secure the nation, protect the unborn, grow the economy, and appoint judges who understand that they cannot violalate the constitution when it pleases them. looking at it through that lense, just about any republican is better than
just about any democrat. and before you say i’m a thoughtless gop zombie, i voted for bill clinton and think he was a good potus. i’m also in favor of gay marriage ( supported it long before most democrats did), and in favor of
more gun control, and opposed
to the death penalty.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Walls do work Wayne, check Google to get examples. We are not the only country to use such a deterrent.
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what other countrys Israel ? please even a prison doesn't just expect a fence to be its only line of defense .. Trump supporters however think its That easy

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

show me the evidence that walls
don’t work? you shut your door at night? how come?

walls don’t work, give me an effing break.
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how well are the ones all ready there working?? and you want billions more to spend on something that wont do what you say it will ...

you shut your door at night ... (omg the world has had doors for centuries.. didn't know they were to keep mexicans out?? ) what a simpleton view of the world I can see how Trump appeals to you and the base ...

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

what other countrys Israel ? please even a prison doesn't just expect a fence to be its only line of defense .. Trump supporters however think its That easy

Wayne,just write “walls that work” and you will be enlightened. People like you who have opinions that are based on ignorance make me chuckle. Do you think we need a wall around the White House?
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[scottw]

^^^I have no idea what he's talking about

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

how well are the ones all ready there working?? and you want billions more to spend on something that wont do what you say it will ...

you shut your door at night ... (omg the world has had doors for centuries.. didn't know they were to keep mexicans out?? ) what a simpleton view of the world I can see how Trump appeals to you and the base ...

we shut our doors to keep people out who we didn’t invite. not just mexicans. and it works.

yes doors have been around for centuries. so have walls. because they work.

who says walls are all we need? your side, not my aide, wants to abandon ICE. think for a moment man.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

we shut our doors to keep people out who we didn’t invite. not just mexicans. and it works.

yes doors have been around for centuries. so have walls. because they work.

who says walls are all we need? your side, not my aide, wants to abandon ICE. think for a moment man.
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Well some of the other things resulted in torn apart families, imprisoned children, and AOC crying on a chain link fence.....sooooooo
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well some of the other things resulted in torn apart families, imprisoned children, and AOC crying on a chain link fence.....sooooooo
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the cause of torn apart families, was adults who chose to take children with them on an illegal
journey. it’s also always worth noting that none of the snowflakes uttered a syllable
about separated families and caged children, when obama was doing it. selective outrage is fake outrage.

if we didn’t separate the kids, and threw everyone into one facility, and even one of those kids was hurt by an adult there, then the same people would be complaining that we threw the children to the wolves.

it’s very common for adults who are being processed through the criminal justice system, to temporarily lose custody of their children. happens all the time. it’s necessary.

and if i was born in mexico and couldn’t find work and couldn’t come here legally, i’d come here illegally if i had to. i absolutely get the motivation. but regardless of intentions, breaking the law has consequences, not all of them pleasant.

take every single penny we confiscate from mexican drug dealers and gangs, and use that money to improve those facilities. we have to detain these people
until their hearings, common sense and empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Wayne,just write “walls that work” and you will be enlightened. People like you who have opinions that are based on ignorance make me chuckle. Do you think we need a wall around the White House?
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Talk about living in ignorance whats your worldly Job experience.. when it comes to physical security or security in general why would we need a wall around the white house ..?
please explain

PS the current fence is 6ft 6 in tall I doubt the secret service Just depends on the fence seeing its just that easy

[Sea Dangles]

Call it what you want,it is a deterrent. Any guess why it is there? And did you have time to use google or do you prefer to run blind and spout off.... Are you naive enough to actually think that the wall will be the only obstacle to stop illegals from entering. Jeez
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

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why do you post false hoods and right talking Points


Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.


https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/res...court-hearings

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the cause of torn apart families, was adults who chose to take children with them on an illegal
journey. it’s also always worth noting that none of the snowflakes uttered a syllable
about separated families and caged children, when obama was doing it. selective outrage is fake outrage.

The Trump administration has chosen to prosecute immigrants under criminal statutes, rather than simply placing apprehended immigrants into civil immigration removal proceedings. Under the Immigration and Naturalization Act, people can be prosecuted in the criminal justice system for illegal entry, illegal re-entry, or assisting someone in illegal entry. However, past administrations have chosen to simply deport most offenders from the United States rather than use the resources of the criminal justice system to prosecute them. Criminal action had rarely been used in cases of families or parents and children coming across the border.
The use of criminal charges against parents caught crossing the border triggers a legal situation that necessitates separating children, while the use of civil immigration detention and removal does not require this to occur. When adults are detained and prosecuted in the criminal justice system for immigration offenses, their children cannot, by law, be housed with them in criminal jails, so the family unit is separated. The children are placed with the Department of Health and Human Services in shelters until they can be released to a family member, guardian, or foster family in the United States.

Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date. Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. Both the Obama and Trump administrations have tried to establish more capacity to detain families and children, rather than releasing them until their hearing date. However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.

if we didn’t separate the kids, and threw everyone into one facility, and even one of those kids was hurt by an adult there, then the same people would be complaining that we threw the children to the wolves.

it’s very common for adults who are being processed through the criminal justice system, to temporarily lose custody of their children. happens all the time. it’s necessary.

The Trump administration has chosen to prosecute immigrants under criminal statutes, rather than simply placing apprehended immigrants into civil immigration removal proceedings.

and if i was born in mexico and couldn’t find work and couldn’t come here legally, i’d come here illegally if i had to. i absolutely get the motivation. but regardless of intentions, breaking the law has consequences, not all of them pleasant.

take every single penny we confiscate from mexican drug dealers and gangs, and use that money to improve those facilities. we have to detain these people
until their hearings, common sense and empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

Most Released Families Attend Immigration Court Hearings
The latest case-by-case records from the Immigration Courts indicate that as of the end of May 2019 one or more removal hearings had already been held for nearly 47,000 newly arriving families seeking refuge in this country. Of these, almost six out of every seven families released from custody had shown up for their initial court hearing. Usually multiple hearings are required before a case is decided. For those who are represented, more than 99 percent had appeared at every hearing held. Thus, court records directly contradict the widely quoted claim that "90 Percent of Recent Asylum Seekers Skipped Their Hearings."

Under our current system, there is no legal requirement that immigrants actually receive notice, let alone timely notice, of their hearing. Given many problems in court records on attendance and in the system for notifying families of the place and time of their hearings, these appearance rates were remarkably high.

These and other findings discussed below are based upon an analysis of court records conducted by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University. These court records, updated through May 2019, were obtained through a series of FOIA requests submitted by TRAC to the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

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Meanwhile the Criminal courts are bogged down prosecuting people accused of illegal immigration who previously would have been dealt with by civil proceedings and delaying prosecution and sentencing for rape and other dangerous criminal cases.

You are selectively outraged at immigrants by lies propagated by the Trump administration and state media.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Call it what you want,it is a deterrent. Any guess why it is there? And did you have time to use google or do you prefer to run blind and spout off.... Are you naive enough to actually think that the wall will be the only obstacle to stop illegals from entering. Jeez
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clearly your Naive to think Trump and his supporters care about anything else except the wall ... and their foolish enough to think its already being built ...

google Trumps wall responses More than two years later, Trump’s wall remains unbuilt

Before Trump became president, 654 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile U.S. Mexico border had primary barriers. As of today, that hasn’t increased.

Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016.

Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June).

yea googles Great

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

clearly your Naive to think Trump and his supporters care about anything else except the wall ... and their foolish enough to think its already being built ...

google Trumps wall responses More than two years later, Trump’s wall remains unbuilt

Before Trump became president, 654 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile U.S. Mexico border had primary barriers. As of today, that hasn’t increased.

Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016.

Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June).

yea googles Great

Ha,you are funny but seem infected withTDS. Try to picture the wall being built to discourage illegals from entering the country. Now just picture our President doing this to protect our borders and citizens from potential crime. Try not to invoke Trump into this conversation, just leave him out....

NOW does the wall work?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Stable Genius has to have spikes on top as recommended by his gut, not a flat piece of steel as recommended by the experts.

Thanks for the video that visually shows that the wall is a deterrent. Some will be able to scale it, a lot, including little children, won't. One piece of the puzzle on how to deter many illegal border crossings.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the cause of torn apart families, was adults who chose to take children with them on an illegal
journey. it’s also always worth noting that none of the snowflakes uttered a syllable
about separated families and caged children, when obama was doing it. selective outrage is fake outrage.

if we didn’t separate the kids, and threw everyone into one facility, and even one of those kids was hurt by an adult there, then the same people would be complaining that we threw the children to the wolves.

it’s very common for adults who are being processed through the criminal justice system, to temporarily lose custody of their children. happens all the time. it’s necessary.

and if i was born in mexico and couldn’t find work and couldn’t come here legally, i’d come here illegally if i had to. i absolutely get the motivation. but regardless of intentions, breaking the law has consequences, not all of them pleasant.

take every single penny we confiscate from mexican drug dealers and gangs, and use that money to improve those facilities. we have to detain these people
until their hearings, common sense and empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

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I was being sarcastic
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[detbuch]

Just another little tidbit in the ongoing smorgasborg of fake news:

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/201...02d7fd625046d4

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

why do you post false hoods and right talking Points


Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.


https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/res...court-hearings

Where were the complaints when Obama used these same exact facilities, and separated families in the same way? Answer that, please...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...ill-go-missing

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I was being sarcastic
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I thought you were, I wasn't 100% certain though...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Where were the complaints when Obama used these same exact facilities, and separated families in the same way? Answer that, please...

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remember when Obama's family members were all here illegally and collecting benefits....that was great

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ha,you are funny but seem infected withTDS. Try to picture the wall being built to discourage illegals from entering the country. Now just picture our President doing this to protect our borders and citizens from potential crime. Try not to invoke Trump into this conversation, just leave him out....

NOW does the wall work?
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NOW it's brilliant.

[Sea Dangles]

12,000 years later the snowflakes think they don’t work.
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[Pete F.]

You do have a problem with a President demanding the federal government go ahead and seize private land and then promising to pardon those who seized the land. Don’t you?