House to vote on impeachment

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

That's a whole lot of smoke.............

So what was Trump's reason for withholding aid to Ukraine?

Trump stated it many times; even in the call when Trump said Zelenskyy was "surrounding himself with the same people" . . . That would be the same corrupt people that colluded and conspired with the DNC in 2016, and covered for Crowdstrike and coddled Burisma.

Trump feared that those "very bad people" would have significant roles in the new administration, that was why the aid was held up . . .

You should familiarize yourself with the timeline of events; the July 18th suspension of aid, the July 21st parliamentary elections and the July 25th call. In the call, Zelenskyy reassured Trump that he won a significant majority and he would get to choose the government and no remnants of the old government would be in power.

Another view can be seen in how Trump's concerns were perceived by someone who has testified, you should read Volker's statement where he relates his concerns about the "negative narratives" pertaining to Ukrainian corruption that Trump was hearing from Giuliani and others.

Feel free to not bother yourself with such trivialities though, you have your spoon-fed narrative that fits your politics and it has served you well so far.

Problem is, since your narrative is reliant on everything being completely mischaracterized and misrepresented, you should hope that deception won't be remedied anytime soon.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Trump stated it many times; even in the call when Trump said Zelenskyy was "surrounding himself with the same people" . . . That would be the same corrupt people that colluded and conspired with the DNC in 2016, and covered for Crowdstrike and coddled Burisma.

Trump feared that those "very bad people" would have significant roles in the new administration, that was why the aid was held up . . .

You should familiarize yourself with the timeline of events; the July 18th suspension of aid, the July 21st parliamentary elections and the July 25th call. In the call, Zelenskyy reassured Trump that he won a significant majority and he would get to choose the government and no remnants of the old government would be in power.

Another view can be seen in how Trump's concerns were perceived by someone who has testified, you should read Volker's statement where he relates his concerns about the "negative narratives" pertaining to Ukrainian corruption that Trump was hearing from Giuliani and others.

Feel free to not bother yourself with such trivialities though, you have your spoon-fed narrative that fits your politics and it has served you well so far.

Problem is, since your narrative is reliant on everything being completely mischaracterized and misrepresented, you should hope that deception won't be remedied anytime soon.

Take about being spoon feed .. hell your on IV kool aid .. is info wars your source material. How about some supporting link or factual info or is regurgitating conspiracy theories all you have?

Or are you one of the Trump cult that loves to tell us what he ment to say and do. Even after hearing what he said and did?? . Amazing
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Take about being spoon feed .. hell your on IV kool aid .. is info wars your source material. How about some supporting link or factual info or is regurgitating conspiracy theories all you have?

Or are you one of the Trump cult that loves to tell us what he ment to say and do. Even after hearing what he said and did?? . Amazing
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What do you want to see, screengrabs of the call that I mention, quotes from Volker's statement?

This entire "thing" is about Trump's intent, why was the aid held up????

I contend the reason is simply what Trump has always maintained; he wasn't sending millions of dollars to a corrupt government.


Plenty of people have said that was a primary concern of Trump's, plenty of people have acknowledged that corruption was Normal Operating Procedure for all things Ukrainian and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of eradicating it . . . Trump wanted assurances that was happening before he released the $$$$$$.


OTOH, you guys have an ever evolving Rube Goldberg of feelings and interpretations of impressions of second hand water-cooler innuendo and gossip of Trump-hating leftist A-holes.

A-holes who resented to their core that Trump would dare proceed with any foreign policy without their direction, approval and hand-holding, thus the Marxist pogrom of seditious leaks and duplicitous backstabbing of Trump, all towards undermining him with supporters and culminating in this attempted soft coup, disguised as impeachment intended to influence the 2020 election.

May you cry inconsolably when he is reelected and be rendered so emotionally incapacitated that no therapy can help; you deserve nothing less!


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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

What do you want to see, screengrabs of the call that I mention, quotes from Volker's statement?

This entire "thing" is about Trump's intent, why was the aid held up????

I contend the reason is simply what Trump has always maintained; he wasn't sending millions of dollars to a corrupt government.


Plenty of people have said that was a primary concern of Trump's, plenty of people have acknowledged that corruption was Normal Operating Procedure for all things Ukrainian and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of eradicating it . . . Trump wanted assurances that was happening before he released the $$$$$$.


OTOH, you guys have an ever evolving Rube Goldberg of feelings and interpretations of impressions of second hand water-cooler innuendo and gossip of Trump-hating leftist A-holes.

A-holes who resented to their core that Trump would dare proceed with any foreign policy without their direction, approval and hand-holding, thus the Marxist pogrom of seditious leaks and duplicitous backstabbing of Trump, all towards undermining him with supporters and culminating in this attempted soft coup, disguised as impeachment intended to influence the 2020 election.

May you cry inconsolably when he is reelected and be rendered so emotionally incapacitated that no therapy can help; you deserve nothing less!


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In true Trumplican fashion modeled after the master with a slightly nuanced twist on “many people say”
Impressive, not

Tomorrow the very noble leader of Turkey will visit, are his thugs coming with him, will they speak of corruption and laundering Iranian funds.
You’re dreaming if you think Trump cares about corruption
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

What do you want to see, screengrabs of the call that I mention, quotes from Volker's statement?

This entire "thing" is about Trump's intent, why was the aid held up????

I contend the reason is simply what Trump has always maintained; he wasn't sending millions of dollars to a corrupt government.


Plenty of people have said that was a primary concern of Trump's, plenty of people have acknowledged that corruption was Normal Operating Procedure for all things Ukrainian and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of eradicating it . . . Trump wanted assurances that was happening before he released the $$$$$$.


OTOH, you guys have an ever evolving Rube Goldberg of feelings and interpretations of impressions of second hand water-cooler innuendo and gossip of Trump-hating leftist A-holes.

A-holes who resented to their core that Trump would dare proceed with any foreign policy without their direction, approval and hand-holding, thus the Marxist pogrom of seditious leaks and duplicitous backstabbing of Trump, all towards undermining him with supporters and culminating in this attempted soft coup, disguised as impeachment intended to influence the 2020 election.

May you cry inconsolably when he is reelected and be rendered so emotionally incapacitated that no therapy can help; you deserve nothing less!


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A lot of words ..just to say you got no factual infomation to back up everything your spewing..

Ps what kinda of American are you trying to get back to? When was it acceptable?

LOVED Nunes opening statement at the hearings . All conspiracy and but but Obama and Hillary. And the steel dossiers

Key phrases that give guys like you a woodie
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[Pete F.]

Trump holds a rally for Matt Bevin in Kentucky last week, and Matt Bevin loses.

Trump goes to the Alabama football game this weekend, and Alabama loses.

Trump tweets his support for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars, and Sean Spicer loses.

Donald Trump is a loser, get over it.

Expect Trump to force Bill Barr to open an investigation on how Sean Spicer got voted off Dancing with the Stars

Trump deleted his tweet asking for votes for Spicy, can't handle a loser.

Nov 11, 2019 08:33:57 PM
Vote for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars. He is a great and very loyal guy who is working very hard. He is in the quarterfinals - all the way with Sean! #MAGA #KAG

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump holds a rally for Matt Bevin in Kentucky last week, and Matt Bevin loses.

Trump goes to the Alabama football game this weekend, and Alabama loses.

Trump tweets his support for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars, and Sean Spicer loses.

Donald Trump is a loser, get over it.

Expect Trump to force Bill Barr to open an investigation on how Sean Spicer got voted off Dancing with the Stars

also...he's caused you to lose your mind sooooo....

[Sea Dangles]

He sure as #^&#^&#^&#^& did not lose to Hilarity.
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[Pete F.]

You should look before your narrow timeline

June 8, 2017 – Giuliani meets with Ukrainian leaders

July 25, 2017 – President Trump issues a public call for an investigation of the 2016 Manafort revelations in Ukraine

May-June 2018 — Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas presses then-U.S. Congressman Pete Sessions, a Texas Republican, to urge the administration to remove or recall Ambassador Yovanovitch from her post in Kyiv, around the same time as Parnas and Belarusian-American associate Igor Fruman, both residents of Florida, commit to raising money for Session’s re-election campaign.

August 2018 — Lev Parnas’ company, Boca Raton, Florida-based Fraud Guarantee (its website says it aims to “reduce and mitigate fraud”), hires Giuliani Partners, the former mayor’s management and security consulting firm, according to Reuters. “Giuliani said he was hired to consult on Fraud Guarantee’s technologies and provide legal advice on regulatory issues,” Reuters reported. Giuliani ultimately is paid $500,000 for the work. Parnas and Fruman work with Giuliani in spring 2019 to press for Ambassador Yovanovitch’s ouster

Sept. 28, 2018 — Congress passes a spending bill for the Department of Defense that includes $250 million in military aid under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). The money must be disbursed by Sept. 30, 2019.

Late 2018 — Parnas and Fruman arrange a Skype call between Giuliani and Shokin, according to a joint investigation by the nonprofit Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) and BuzzFeed News, as published by OCCRP. The two businessmen also connect Giuliani with then-Prosecutor General Lutsenko. Giuliani invites Lutsenko to his office in New York, a meeting they arrange for January.

Lutsenko told the LA Times that he had numerous conversations with Guiliani on the phone. He also tells the paper that Giuliani pressed him repeatedly to open an investigation on the Bidens and Burisma, even though Lutsenko had seen no evidence of legal wrongdoing.

January 2019 — Giuliani and Ukraine general prosecutor Lutsenko meet for first time, New York

Giuliani and Lutsenko meet in New York over the space of two-to-three days. They discuss “the Ukrainian political situation and the fight against corruption,” Bloomberg News reports, paraphrasing Lutsenko. “Giuliani asked him about investigations into the owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, as well as whether the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, was `not loyal to President Trump,’” the article says.

The two met “multiple times” during those days in New York, and Lutsenko told associates that, during their first meeting in January, Giuliani excitedly called Trump to brief the President on what he had found, the New York Times reported. Giuliani “acknowledged that he has discussed the matter with the president on multiple occasions,” the Times wrote.

Mid-February 2019 — Giuliani and Ukraine general prosecutor Lutsenko meet for second time, Warsaw

Giuliani meets with Lutsenko again in Warsaw, joined by Parnas, according to the OCCRP/BuzzFeed report, as published by Buzzfeed. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly were in town, too, for a U.S.-led Middle East conference.

Early March 2019 — State Department asks Ambassador Yovanovitch to extend her term in Ukraine until 2020, according to her prepared remarks to the House investigation.

March 2019 –- Ukraine Prosecutor General Lutsenko opens two investigations — one into the 2016 U.S. presidential election and a second into Burisma and Biden.

Following his meetings with Giuliani, Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko announces he is opening two investigations.

“The decision to reopen the investigation into Burisma was made … by the current Ukrainian prosecutor general [Lutsenko], who had cleared Hunter Biden’s employer more than two years ago. The announcement … was seen in some quarters as an effort by the prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, to curry favor from the Trump administration for his boss and ally, the incumbent president,” the New York Times reported (in May 2019).

Lutsenko also tells the Hill’s conservative columnist John Solomon, “Today we will launch a criminal investigation about” the Manafort disclosure in the 2016 election.

March 20, 2019 – The Hill’s conservative opinion writer John Solomon publishes an interview with Ukrainian Prosecutor General Lutsenko, who by this point has been widely criticized as ineffective and likely corrupt.

[Note: Lutsenko later retracts many of his allegations, including against the Bidens (May 16 Bloomberg interview, Sept. 29 LA Times interview) and the U.S. Embassy‘s involvement in the 2016 election.]

March 24, 2019 – Donald Trump Jr. tweets criticism of U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch, calling her a “joker” and linking to a conservative media outlet’s article about calls for her ouster. The two incidents are part of a pattern of conservative attacks against the ambassador. Within less than two months, Yovanovitch is recalled to Washington.

March 31, 2019 — First round of Ukraine’s presidential election, which results in runoff between Zelenskyy and Poroshenko scheduled for April 21.

April 1, 2019 – The Hill newspaper publishes another article online by the same conservative investigative columnist John Solomon that advances the Trump-Giuliani story about Biden. The article reports that Shokin had said in written answers to questions that he had planned an investigation of Burisma before he was fired, including questioning all executive board members. The article says Lutsenko, Shokin’s successor, and “a case file” indicate that the Prosecutor General’s Office had handled three cases related to Burisma, and that the “most prominent” case was transferred to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), which Solomon describes suggestively as “closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev,” even though it had long been public knowledge that Western supporters of Ukraine and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists strongly backed the bureau. The article says NABU closed that case.

April 2019 – Hunter Biden leaves the board of Burisma Holdings, as his father announces his candidacy for the Democratic presidential nomination.

April 18, 2019 — Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s redacted report is publicly released, outlining the findings of his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

April 21, 2019 – New Ukrainian President elected on anti-corruption agenda

Volodymyr Zelenskyy is elected president of Ukraine, to succeed Petro Poroshenko. He ran on a “zero tolerance” anti-corruption agenda.

Not long before the Ukrainian president was inaugurated in May, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s journeyed to Kiev to deliver a warning to the country’s new leadership, a lawyer for Lev Parnas said.

The associate, Lev Parnas, told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr. Trump’s political rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr., and his son, or else Vice President Mike Pence would not attend the swearing-in of the new president, and the United States would freeze aid, the lawyer said.

Now your timeline starts, so just keep believing. As usual if you follow the money around Floridaman it leads to Russia.
Just who did Rudy want money from in his buttdial and who was the source?
Who was funding Parnas and Fruman?
Who is funding Rudy?

the July 18th suspension of aid, the July 21st parliamentary elections and the July 25th call. In the call, Zelenskyy reassured Trump that he won a significant majority and he would get to choose the government and no remnants of the old government would be in power.

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You should look before your narrow timeline. . .
Who is funding Rudy?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

https://www.google.com/search?q=idio...w=1098&bih=466

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I'm an idiot who can't use the quote function correctly, let alone image tags

[spence]

Good thing the impeachment hearings are based on sworn testimony and not memes
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by spence

Good thing the impeachment hearings are based on sworn testimony and not memes
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Can you really swear to be truthful in your recollection of what your impression was of someone else's impression of what someone else said they heard someone else say?


Trump's done for now!

[spence]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Can you really swear to be truthful in your recollection of what your impression was of someone else's impression of what someone else said they heard someone else say?


Trump's done for now!

Sure, especially when there are notes, texts and seriously credible professionals.

Keep spinning, smearing good people and trying to throw sand in everyone’s eyes. It’s not working.
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[Pete F.]

Perhaps this would shed some light on the “corruption” issue in Ukraine

Long before President Trump ordered a halt to security assistance, the Secretary of Defense—in coordination with Secretary Pompeo—twice certified that Ukraine had made sufficient reforms to decrease corruption and increase accountability, and that the country could ensure accountability for U.S. provided military equipment. Further, after OMB held the assistance to Ukraine in July, the Department of Defense (DOD) conducted an additional analysis and concluded that the assistance was effective and should be resumed. [Amb. Taylor testimony, 10/22/19]. Finally, before the July 2019 hold, the Trump administration had approved sending foreign assistance to Ukraine nearly 50 separate times without ever holding it because of concerns that it would be diverted due to corruption.

Congress Mandated Corruption Certifications: In 2016, Congress began requiring a certification for a portion of the funds from the congressionally-created Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. [P.L. 114-328, FY2017 NDAA]. To spend more than half of the authorized funds, DOD, in coordination with the State Department, must certify that certain anti-corruption reforms have taken place. The eligible amount has varied based on authorizations, but, for FY2019, $125 million was subject to certification.

The Certifications: DOD’s certifications specifically noted that Ukraine had improved its ability to ensure accountability of U.S.-provided military equipment—raising the question of why Pompeo did not trust an assessment that he had twice approved. To issue the certification, DOD assessed civilian control of the military, oversight of the military, transparency and accountability in defense procurement, and inventory management in the defense industrial sector, among other things. DOD certified both times that substantial actions had been taken sufficient to comply with the law.

On July 13, 2018, DOD certified that Ukraine had taken actions sufficient to release security assistance funds. DOD cited passage of a national security law that supported reforms for civilian control of the military, parliamentary oversight of the defense sector, and transparency in defense budgets. Notably, the assessment stated that Ukraine had improved its ability to ensure accountability for U.S. provided equipment. [DOD CN].
On May 23, 2019, DOD again certified that Ukraine had taken substantial actions to decrease corruption, increase accountability, and sustained improved combat capability enabled by U.S. assistance. DOD recommended providing $125 million in military assistance, including for counter-artillery radars and defensive weapons. According to DOD, the U.S. had helped Ukraine advance reforms, including adopting legislation to reform defense procurement, and strengthened civilian control of the military reform. The certification further noted that Ukraine had improved its ability to ensure accountability for U.S. provided equipment. [DOD CN].

I guess this was due to the incompetent management of the Floridaman administration or did it just not align with their narrative
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[Sea Dangles]

👌🍔
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[Pete F.]

Let's say for argument’s sake that Hunter Biden was really part of some corruption. That wouldn’t justify Floridaman withholding aid or having his minions insist on a public announcement aimed not at reducing corruption but at providing ammunition against Floridaman’s likely opponent. Everything about Rudy's theatrics and the need for a public announcement shows this. So does Floridaman’s and his Trumplicans inability to point to any investigations of corruption he has asked for that do not involve Biden.
So the impeachment investigation is about what Floridaman was asking for and why, and that doesn't change even if you think that Hunter Biden was guilty of something. There is no mystery about Joe Biden's actions to get the prosecutor in Ukraine fired, that was an international goal targeted at reducing corruption, and there's no indication (indeed, there is evidence to the contrary) that it was to inhibit investigation into Hunter. So this is a side show.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Let's say for argument’s sake that Hunter Biden was really part of some corruption. That wouldn’t justify Floridaman withholding aid or having his minions insist on a public announcement aimed not at reducing corruption but at providing ammunition against Floridaman’s likely opponent. Everything about Rudy's theatrics and the need for a public announcement shows this. So does Floridaman’s and his Trumplicans inability to point to any investigations of corruption he has asked for that do not involve Biden.
So the impeachment investigation is about what Floridaman was asking for and why, and that doesn't change even if you think that Hunter Biden was guilty of something. There is no mystery about Joe Biden's actions to get the prosecutor in Ukraine fired, that was an international goal targeted at reducing corruption, and there's no indication (indeed, there is evidence to the contrary) that it was to inhibit investigation into Hunter. So this is a side show.
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Borrriiiing . . .

[ReelinRod]

NY Post cover for the Shiff Show tomorrow . . .


Nails it!





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[ReelinRod]

Here's the schedule for the Best of Show competition next week; I hope Schiff has plenty of treats!


Nov 19
Jennifer Williams
Kurt Volker
Alexander Vindman
Tim Morrison

Nov20
Gordon Sondland
Laura Cooper
David Hale

Nov 21
Fiona Hill

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

NY Post cover for the Shiff Show tomorrow . . .


Nails it!





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I forgot - so who is guilty of sedition?

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I forgot - so who is guilty of sedition?

Why don't you post a definition of "sedition" that you agree with and then we can go through each person's actions.


Off the bat I do rescind my belief that the Vindman might have been an honorable man (giving him the benefit of the doubt out of respect for the uniform). Rep Ratcliffe practically walked Vindman into admitting UCMJ Article 92 and Article 88 violations, and would have if Vindman's attorney didn't recognize where the questioning was headed.


F him and his twin brother (the NSA's ethics lawyer LOL, that Vindman told of his "troubles" with the call).

[Pete F.]

Never seen a prosecutor start a trial if he didn’t think he could convict
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Never seen a prosecutor start a trial if he didn’t think he could convict
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And there's the rub.

The Dems know they can't win a conviction as an actual conclusion to impeachment proceedings; they are doing all this for a "conviction" in the ream of public opinion.

Trump haters are with them just because, well "TRUMP!" . . . The objective is soften support among Republican's so they engineer an ending like Nixon, a resignation from shear lack of confidence.

Problem is, this has only demonstrated the duplicitousness of Democrats and the testimony will show just what Trump was up against . . . Not being able to trust anyone in government, the FBI, the Intelligence Community, the diplomatic corps, none could be trusted to execute their duties to actually fulfill the objectives of the new administration. All they could be counted on was to spy, leak, sabotage and undermine . . .

All this will only solidify support for Trump out of shear hate, fire-breathing, bulldoze the bodies hate in those who see what liberals / leftists / progressives / statist authoritarians actually are and recognize that they believe in nothing but scorched-earth. Any talk from your side about cooperation and civility is only to calm us down before you slip the knife in our backs.

Congratulations, you have exposed yourselves as the contemptuous children you really are and let everyone know that you are completely incapable of playing nicely with others and put us on notice that we are in for a real temper tantrum in 2020. That's OK, you should watch yourselves though; bongs, double ended dildos and butt plugs aren't really weapons one can fight real battles with.


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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

And there's the rub.

The Dems know they can't win a conviction as an actual conclusion to impeachment proceedings; they are doing all this for a "conviction" in the ream of public opinion.

Trump haters are with them just because, well "TRUMP!" . . . The objective is soften support among Republican's so they engineer an ending like Nixon, a resignation from shear lack of confidence.

Problem is, this has only demonstrated the duplicitousness of Democrats and the testimony will show just what Trump was up against . . . Not being able to trust anyone in government, the FBI, the Intelligence Community, the diplomatic corps, none could be trusted to execute their duties to actually fulfill the objectives of the new administration. All they could be counted on was to spy, leak, sabotage and undermine . . .

All this will only solidify support for Trump out of shear hate, fire-breathing, bulldoze the bodies hate in those who see what liberals / leftists / progressives / statist authoritarians actually are and recognize that they believe in nothing but scorched-earth. Any talk from your side about cooperation and civility is only to calm us down before you slip the knife in our backs.

Congratulations, you have exposed yourselves as the contemptuous children you really are and let everyone know that you are completely incapable of playing nicely with others and put us on notice that we are in for a real temper tantrum in 2020. That's OK, you should watch yourselves though; bongs, double ended dildos and butt plugs aren't really weapons one can fight real battles with.


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Interesting that a Trumplican claims that others don’t play nicely and then goes on to demonstrate just how to play nicely
Floridaman can move his base from 40% to 41% and Americans outside that say NFW do we identify with his ideology.
🍑🤡
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Never seen a prosecutor start a trial if he didn’t think he could convict
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Tell that to the liberal activist Moseley in Baltimore, or the Duke lacrosse prosecutor. Nah, lawyers are never motivated by politics.
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Tell that to the liberal activist Moseley in Baltimore, or the Duke lacrosse prosecutor. Nah, lawyers are never motivated by politics.

As we see across the nation with Soros backed leftists winning DA elections. Those scumbags are quite willing to sacrifice the lives and fortunes of law-abiding citizens to advance the corrupt social-justice agenda.

And when any prosecutor can nail up a scalp that advances their career, the rule of law, officer of the court duty, ethics and honor go right out the window.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Tell that to the liberal activist Moseley in Baltimore, or the Duke lacrosse prosecutor. Nah, lawyers are never motivated by politics.
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An impeachment is a political proceeding per the Constitution
The criminal trial could come later and would be based on the rule of law
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

An impeachment is a political proceeding per the Constitution
The criminal trial could come later and would be based on the rule of law
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moving the goalposts. i was responding to your laughable comment that lawyers don’t proceed with a case unless they feel they have a good case. they’re a group that’s well known for
being motivated
by money and political ambition.
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