all set with chinese chit

[inTHERAPY]

Not necessarily a new years resolution just happens to coincide. I/my family will do all we can to not buy any product "Made in China". I really can't stand it any more. It's not going to be easy for sure. Case in point. My wife has searched for a dishware set made in USA, Portugal, Spain, France. Finally a nice set made in USA. The flippin' mugs were made in China. Sent it back!

The hardest and impossible part of my vow.....In my business, many of the goods I sell are not available from domestic manufacturing plants. Chinese forged steel products are manufactured for all the big names in the fluid connector business ie. Parker or Eaton

[Duke41]

me too

[Raven]

Attun International - Tableware, Dinner Sets, Coffee Sets

i think the term china or china ware has been used for so long that it has a life of it's own even if it wasn't manufactured in china the country

so even if it was manufactured say....in Sweden it could be still called china ware

[UserRemoved1]

Pfaltzgraft or however it's spelled. I believe made in US

More people need to do this.

[UserRemoved1]

Pfaltzgraff Serveware, Table Linens, Stoneware and Cutlery

[nightfighter]

It's possible, but made very difficult to accomplish. I ask my local lumber yard all the time... See my signature below...

[basswipe]

There's this idea in today's world that if its not made in the US its made in China.You really can't lump Fein,Heckler and Koch,Toyota and Shimano with the "Made In China" crap,you just can't as all four make some of the finest products in their respective categories.When it comes to guns and power tools I have no issue buying German.When it comes to cars I have no issue buying Toyota.When it comes to fishing reels I buy Shimano.When an American company builds a better sander than my Fein,builds a better light truck than my Tacoma I'll be the first guy in line to buy American.

Guns are different.Germans and Americans make so much damn fine weaponry.An HK91 is an outstanding rifle.There's a reason Fabrigue Nationale exists(and makes our M16s)...the FAL and FNC are the some of the finest rifles on the planet.Fishing reels?Are there any made in the US anymore?Shimano reels are an outstanding product.


These are just a few of the products that simply put are superior in there performance.Other than that I try to buy as much American as I can.I'll never buy a Chinese made apple pie but I will buy their fireworks.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by basswipe

There's this idea in today's world that if its not made in the US its made in China.You really can't lump Fein,Heckler and Koch,Toyota and Shimano with the "Made In China" crap,you just can't as all four make some of the finest products in their respective categories.When it comes to guns and power tools I have no issue buying German.When it comes to cars I have no issue buying Toyota.When it comes to fishing reels I buy Shimano.When an American company builds a better sander than my Fein,builds a better light truck than my Tacoma I'll be the first guy in line to buy American.

Guns are different.Germans and Americans make so much damn fine weaponry.An HK91 is an outstanding rifle.There's a reason Fabrigue Nationale exists(and makes our M16s)...the FAL and FNC are the some of the finest rifles on the planet.Fishing reels?Are there any made in the US anymore?Shimano reels are an outstanding product.


These are just a few of the products that simply put are superior in there performance.Other than that I try to buy as much American as I can.I'll never buy a Chinese made apple pie but I will buy their fireworks.

Well, the fact of the matter is, almost every Toyota sold in the US is built right here, by American workers. So you can feel extra special good about it.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Well, the fact of the matter is, almost every Toyota sold in the US is built right here, by American workers. So you can feel extra special good about it.

It's true. More of their parts are American made than Ford's. But at least most of those ford parts are made just over the Canadian border, not in China. Also sad that our largest export is gasoline.... Pencil pushers have pushed all our manufacturing offshore.

[Saltheart]

[QUOTE=basswipe;911310].An HK91 is an outstanding rifle.QUOTE]

[UserRemoved1]

I just ate some way good cat

[striperman36]

After a trip to bj's today I'd rather go to super walmart
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[striperman36]

Well said gregw
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[striperman36]

Ultimately isn't the consumer, by buying for cost not value causing a shift in where goods a produced? Govt could slow it by using tariffs, which could impact cost and quality also.
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[Saltheart]

Governemt could slow it (or could have at one time) by banning the export of American Manufacturing Technology. Yes China has people who will push the buttons on a machine for less pay than the American operators but they wouldn't have the machines with buttons to push if we didn't send those machines over seas.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

Governemt could slow it (or could have at one time) by banning the export of American Manufacturing Technology. Yes China has people who will push the buttons on a machine for less pay than the American operators but they wouldn't have the machines with buttons to push if we didn't send those machines over seas.

Slowing it (not sure of the it to which you're referring here) would not stop it. There is no way that a government of free people can stop the flow of information from its boundaries except to relinquish freedom, and, again that would slow it but not stop it. Protectionism does not, ultimately, lead to higher standards of living. What it perniciously tends to do is create an illusion of higher wages by the constant inflation of those wages through various protectionist schemes such as three year wage contracts, government subsidies to protect commodity prices, larger government to distribute to those who "fall behind" due to artificial raises in wages and prices, higher taxes, etc., etc. There is also the mistaken idea that money is wealth. So the larger quantity of money you have is supposed to make you that much more wealthy. If it costs you ten times more to buy a thing than it costs someone else to buy it, does that make you more wealthy than him because you have ten times more money? It gives you the potential to buy more things compared to your neighbor, but not necessarily to someone across another border. If we look at property, rather than money, as being wealth, than it's the things you own that make you wealthy, and your money is only useful if it is spent on things. So if you can buy more things from China with the same amount of money that you would have to spend to buy less things in the U.S., you will become wealthier buying things produced in China than those produced here. China will have the money, you will have the things. In order for China to be wealthy, it will have to spend the money it got from you, just as you spent it. So, the free market rather than protectionism, allows you to gain more wealth. Where will China spend that money? If it spends it here, it will be at our prices, so China will lose since things are more expensive here. If it spends it in China, through creating jobs to pay workers to buy things, then the consumers in China will gain wealth. So you will have gained things and the Chinese consumer will have gained things. Now having gained things at a lower cost, you have money left to buy things here that you can't buy from China. That spreads money to entrepeneurs that can provide those things. So you can also gain more things/wealth from here as well. And, eventually, if our protections are removed internally, we can produce things more cheaply here, and as foreign markets grow, especially as they maintain protectionism and large government intrusion and protectionist welfares and contracts, their costs will rise, and we can begin to produce competitively here, and there will be that more stabilizing worldwide market that we dream of.

[Slipknot]

Ross Perot would have made a great President

[UserRemoved1]

SPOT ON but it ill not stop it now. All the stuff is gone already...

Originally Posted by Saltheart

Governemt could slow it (or could have at one time) by banning the export of American Manufacturing Technology. Yes China has people who will push the buttons on a machine for less pay than the American operators but they wouldn't have the machines with buttons to push if we didn't send those machines over seas.

[Saltheart]

All kinds of technology is restricted from export. Ever hear the term ITAR (International Traffic in Arms) Restrictions ? Defense Technology is restricted from export. If you say the export of technology cannot be restricted then you live in a cave. The restriction of technology export has been going on for centuries.

So why can't we restrict the export of "Econimically Sensitive Technology" like Automation Technology, Measurements and Controls , Precision Machining Technology, etc, just like we do defense related technology? The justification is to dfend our economy.

Todays battles between superpowers are economic (much better than military but still a battle) and at the root of economic strength in the USA is (was) Manufacturing Technology.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

All kinds of technology is restricted from export. Ever hear the term ITAR (International Traffic in Arms) Restrictions ? Defense Technology is restricted from export. If you say the export of technology cannot be restricted then you live in a cave. The restriction of technology export has been going on for centuries.

Although I wasn't referring to defense secrets, my bad that I didn't specify, but, even so, I didn't say it can't be restricted. I said it couldn't be stopped. The restriction has been going on for centuries, but the transfer has been going on as well.

So why can't we restrict the export of "Econimically Sensitive Technology" like Automation Technology, Measurements and Controls , Precision Machining Technology, etc, just like we do defense related technology? The justification is to dfend our economy.

Again, restricting doesn't stop it. Plus, with the type of restriction you mention, that is the beginning of a police state. When private ownership of ideas and products is put in the hands of the state as to how it can be disposed in the name of defending our economy, that is not only tyranny, but the destruction of our basic rights of property. Contrary to defending the economy, it attacks the rights that are the basis for our foundation, and the economy, rather than being defended, will suffer from the restriction of the free trade of ideas and the free flow of goods.

Todays battles between superpowers are economic (much better than military but still a battle) and at the root of economic strength in the USA is (was) Manufacturing Technology.

All the more reason to create a more stable world market which would make wars less attractive. Winning the economic battle is not accomplished by one "super power" having all the good stuff and restricting it from the rest of the world. Not only does that restrict the growth and diversity of that power's economy, but it makes it more likely that it will have to resort to military power, blood and treasure to protect that stagnating economy. The root of our economic stength has been freedom and the trade that resulted from that freedom as well as development of ideas that Americans have created using the free flow of information as well as the freedom to express those ideas. We have been more economically successful because we have been freer to create, invest, and trade ideas and products.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The root of our economic stength has been freedom and the trade that resulted from that freedom as well as development of ideas that Americans have created using the free flow of information as well as the freedom to express those ideas. We have been more economically successful because we have been freer to create, invest, and trade ideas and products.

You got that right, and for the life of me I can't understand why
anyone would want to lean toward socialism, except freeloaders.

[justplugit]

I think we need to think of buying Chinese goods as most of us
feel about buying Chavez Citgo.

Call 1- 800- Joe for Oil.

[GattaFish]

Its a viscous circle....

Americans want to make more money.... so prices on American made products go up because of labor... Then they bitch about paying so much for something,,,,

So they spend less on foreign made goods...... Gents Americans want their cake and eat it too,,,, and round and round we go,,,,,

[Sea of Atlas]

#%€&$@ the Chinese government, say it loud and say it proud because the Chinese can't, what disturbs me the most is their human rights violation. Their government will stop at nothing. They steal any technology they can. They manipulate their currency. They will stop at nothing. And they 'put on a fake smile for the world' as Ai Weiwei Chinese dissident deftly points out. The scary thing is when they outpace our intellectual ideas which they are on pace to do with r&d spending. Currently its still them manufacturing American ideas. For me I realize i need to start to focus more on everything local and sustainable. Hopeful its not too late for future generations.
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