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12-16-2019, 09:50 AM
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Shhhhh, it's a secret
I'm going to let you in on a Trumplican secret.
They are desperate to ensure Bolton, Mulvaney, etc. don't testify.
But they know if the public realizes they are hiding the witnesses, the public will think he's guilty. So the spin is Floridaman claiming he wants everyone to testify, with the qualifier of whatever they want.........
And it's only mean McConnell that doesn't want a showy trial. That is bunk.Since when does McConnell force Floridaman to do anything?
But many in the media are falling for it. So let's get this clear: Mulvaney, Bolton, hell Rudy should all testify.
If they don't, it's an admission of guilt.
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12-16-2019, 10:12 AM
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...and wait until Lev Parnas blows up whatever is left.
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12-16-2019, 10:20 AM
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i have something that isn’t a secret...your concern isn’t Trump, your concern should be the inability of a major party to find someone after a yearslong search, who can beat a morally bankrupt pig. Dems should focus their energies there, that would
be a tad more productive.
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12-16-2019, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
i have something that isn’t a secret...your concern isn’t Trump, your concern should be the inability of a major party to find someone after a yearslong search, who can beat a morally bankrupt pig. Dems should focus their energies there, that would
be a tad more productive.
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Sunday, December 15
General Election: Trump vs. Biden FOX News Biden 48, Trump 41 Biden +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 49, Trump 43 Sanders +6
General Election: Trump vs. Warren FOX News Warren 46, Trump 45 Warren +1
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg FOX News Buttigieg 43, Trump 42 Buttigieg +1
General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg FOX News Bloomberg 45, Trump 40 Bloomberg +5 |
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12-16-2019, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
i have something that isn’t a secret...your concern isn’t Trump, your concern should be the inability of a major party to find someone after a yearslong search, who can beat a morally bankrupt pig. Dems should focus their energies there, that would
be a tad more productive.
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At least you admit that you think Floridaman is a morally bankrupt pig whom you devoutly support without equal, at least on this forum.
A little review of primary history might tell a different tale than what Faux is telling you.
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12-16-2019, 10:47 AM
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Sunday, December 15
General Election: Trump vs. Biden FOX News Biden 48, Trump 41 Biden +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 49, Trump 43 Sanders +6
General Election: Trump vs. Warren FOX News Warren 46, Trump 45 Warren +1
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg FOX News Buttigieg 43, Trump 42 Buttigieg +1
General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg FOX News Bloomberg 45, Trump 40 Bloomberg +5
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This must certainly translate to an easy victory for the Dems again.
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12-16-2019, 10:49 AM
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The president of the United States this morning: Shares tweet calling the FBI a “criminal organization.” Retweets a bunch of unsubstantiated stuff from Rudy Giuliani.
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12-16-2019, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Sunday, December 15
General Election: Trump vs. Biden FOX News Biden 48, Trump 41 Biden +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 49, Trump 43 Sanders +6
General Election: Trump vs. Warren FOX News Warren 46, Trump 45 Warren +1
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg FOX News Buttigieg 43, Trump 42 Buttigieg +1
General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg FOX News Bloomberg 45, Trump 40 Bloomberg +5
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then you have nothing to fear.
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12-16-2019, 10:53 AM
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The president of the United States this morning: Shares tweet calling the FBI a “criminal organization.” Retweets a bunch of unsubstantiated stuff from Rudy Giuliani.
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very un- presidential, i agree.
the fbi has a lot to answer for. you left that part out.
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12-16-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I'm going to let you in on a Trumplican secret.
They are desperate to ensure Bolton, Mulvaney, etc. don't testify.
But they know if the public realizes they are hiding the witnesses, the public will think he's guilty. So the spin is Floridaman claiming he wants everyone to testify, with the qualifier of whatever they want.........
And it's only mean McConnell that doesn't want a showy trial. That is bunk.Since when does McConnell force Floridaman to do anything?
But many in the media are falling for it. So let's get this clear: Mulvaney, Bolton, hell Rudy should all testify.
If they don't, it's an admission of guilt.
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Because he has no defense, and they know he did something wrong. So the administration is trying their damnedest to limit anyone with direct, first-hand information that is damaging from testifying. Bring in Biden, bring in Hunter, bring in Rudy, Mick, Perry, Bolton etc. I want to hear from all of them under oath. |
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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12-16-2019, 11:18 AM
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Since when is not testifying an admission of guilt?
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12-16-2019, 12:15 PM
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Bring in Biden, bring in Hunter, bring in Rudy, Mick, Perry, Bolton etc. I want to hear from all of them under oath.
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Agreed 100%.
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12-16-2019, 12:26 PM
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very un- presidential, i agree.
the fbi has a lot to answer for. you left that part out.
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Our government has work to do on FISA in a number of branches, maybe we have to decide if we value security over privacy. Chris Wray, a Floridaman appointee is doing that right now in the FBI. And pay attention to Floridaman's BS about him. But screaming about the FBI is what the Trumplicans are hoping you do, push the conversation to the evils inflicted on Floridaman, rather than what he has done.
Michael Horowitz, demolished Floridaman’s most sensational allegations about the Russia inquiry: He concluded that the opening of the investigation was lawful and legitimate, that there was no improper “spying” on the Floridaman campaign and that the F.B.I. wasn’t part of some “deep state” conspiracy to overthrow the president. FISA has flaws that need fixing, but "deep state" claims are a dangerous distraction.
But you haven't read it and you won't, you'll just repeat Floridaman and the Trumplicans talking points.
And that gives them the tools to push baloney like this.
“I do think the big report to wait for is going to be the Durham report,” Floridaman said, once again speculating about a report that hasn’t been written. “That’s the one that people are really waiting for.”
Their ability to wreak political havoc with the latest Horowitz report is part of what has now become a clear pattern:Call for an investigation of a favorite Floridaman target; speculate about the likely outcome; seize on any collateral evidence that emerges; spin the results; then move quickly to the next investigation. Repeat. He's done it all his working life. |
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12-16-2019, 12:37 PM
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Agreed 100%.
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nope...the house votes to impeach based on the pathetic evidence they rolled out...let the senate decide up or down on that pathetic evidence and the joke articles they send along...democrats can't even get all of the democrats to agree on their evidence....let them impeach in a partisan(with defections) effort and look look the dumbest and most childish politicians in American history....there will be plenty of indictments coming from Durham to enjoy |
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12-16-2019, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Our government has work to do on FISA in a number of branches, maybe we have to decide if we value security over privacy. Chris Wray, a Floridaman appointee is doing that right now in the FBI. And pay attention to Floridaman's BS about him. But screaming about the FBI is what the Trumplicans are hoping you do, push the conversation to the evils inflicted on Floridaman, rather than what he has done.
Michael Horowitz, demolished Floridaman’s most sensational allegations about the Russia inquiry: He concluded that the opening of the investigation was lawful and legitimate, that there was no improper “spying” on the Floridaman campaign and that the F.B.I. wasn’t part of some “deep state” conspiracy to overthrow the president. FISA has flaws that need fixing, but "deep state" claims are a dangerous distraction.
But you haven't read it and you won't, you'll just repeat Floridaman and the Trumplicans talking points.
And that gives them the tools to push baloney like this.
“I do think the big report to wait for is going to be the Durham report,” Floridaman said, once again speculating about a report that hasn’t been written. “That’s the one that people are really waiting for.”
Their ability to wreak political havoc with the latest Horowitz report is part of what has now become a clear pattern:Call for an investigation of a favorite Floridaman target; speculate about the likely outcome; seize on any collateral evidence that emerges; spin the results; then move quickly to the next investigation. Repeat. He's done it all his working life.
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Horowitz concluded that the FBI made a large number of serious and fundamental mistakes. but that’s nothing. Because liberal =good, conservative = bad.
one more report to go, Durham’s. Long wait.
i’m not screaming about the fbi. i’m staying what horowitz said and wrote.
you’re ignoring that, because it’s what the dnc wants you to do.
look at our posting history. I go where the facts take me, you post nothing but partisan rhetoric. Never anything but.
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12-16-2019, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Horowitz concluded that the FBI made a large number of serious and fundamental mistakes. but that’s nothing. Because liberal =good, conservative = bad.
one more report to go, Durham’s. Long wait.
Talk about an echo:“I do think the big report to wait for is going to be the Durham report,” Floridaman said, once again speculating about a report that hasn’t been written. “That’s the one that people are really waiting for.”
i’m not screaming about the fbi. i’m staying what horowitz said and wrote.
you’re ignoring that, because it’s what the dnc wants you to do.
look at our posting history. I go where the facts take me, you post nothing but partisan rhetoric. Never anything but.
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What you claim as facts are typically right wing media reports, that come from the Trumplican echo chamber.
Have you read the Mueller report?
Have you read the Horowitz report?
Where do your "facts" come from?
Isn't it odd that they always seem to be parsed from a report, rather than viewed as part of a whole?
It seems that the FBI and the media are together a criminal organization, in your view, Faux's and that of Floridaman.
You should read the Op-Ed by William Webster
Mr. Webster is a former federal judge and the former director of both the F.B.I. and the C.I.A.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/o...stigation.html
Keep in mind that after Sergei Lavrov visited the White House (again), Russian state tv ran a piece on the visit called "Puppet Master and ‘Agent’" that joked about offering Trump asylum in Russia if he loses the 2020 election. |
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12-16-2019, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
What you claim as facts are typically right wing media reports, that come from the Trumplican echo chamber.
Have you read the Mueller report?
Have you read the Horowitz report?
Where do your "facts" come from?
Isn't it odd that they always seem to be parsed from a report, rather than viewed as part of a whole?
It seems that the FBI and the media are together a criminal organization, in your view, Faux's and that of Floridaman.
You should read the Op-Ed by William Webster
Mr. Webster is a former federal judge and the former director of both the F.B.I. and the C.I.A.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/o...stigation.html
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durham’s probe is wider in scope, and criminal in nature. Just because trump says that, doesn’t make it false. And just because i say it, doesn’t make me a trumplican.
you’re saying that anyone who agrees with trump on anything, is a trumplican.
That’s not crazy, nope.
You keep reflexively disagreeing with everything he says. It’s doing wonders for you.
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12-16-2019, 02:32 PM
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durham’s probe is wider in scope, and criminal in nature. Just because trump says that, doesn’t make it false. And just because i say it, doesn’t make me a trumplican.
you’re saying that anyone who agrees with trump on anything, is a trumplican.
That’s not crazy, nope.
You keep reflexively disagreeing with everything he says. It’s doing wonders for you.
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So you have read nothing outside the media reports and purport to cite facts.
Good luck with that.
And here's a definition for you, even shows how to use it in a sentence.
Trumplican
A Republican who strays from party values to pander to Trump.
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12-16-2019, 02:38 PM
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That’s not crazy, nope.
You keep reflexively disagreeing with everything he says. It’s doing wonders for you.
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the most impressive thing about pete is that he somehow still manages to type out words while his arms are bound in a straightjacket |
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12-16-2019, 03:57 PM
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12-16-2019, 07:36 PM
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So you have read nothing outside the media reports and purport to cite facts.
Good luck with that.
And here's a definition for you, even shows how to use it in a sentence.
Trumplican
A Republican who strays from party values to pander to Trump.
That Republican senator used to be a fiscal conservative; he is now a Trumplican.
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i listened to what Horowitz himself said. Somehow you’re going to say that his testimony isn’t relevant, because it makes obama look bad.
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12-16-2019, 07:37 PM
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the most impressive thing about pete is that he somehow still manages to type out words while his arms are bound in a straightjacket
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it’s something to see. If Trump says two plus two is four, he’d say “ the hell it is!”.
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12-16-2019, 07:45 PM
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it’s something to see. If Trump says two plus two is four, he’d say “ the hell it is!”.
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I think your math is a bit advanced for the POTUS.
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12-16-2019, 08:06 PM
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But the coin flip was rocking.👌🏻
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12-16-2019, 08:34 PM
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Because he has no defense, and they know he did something wrong. So the administration is trying their damnedest to limit anyone with direct, first-hand information that is damaging from testifying. Bring in Biden, bring in Hunter, bring in Rudy, Mick, Perry, Bolton etc. I want to hear from all of them under oath.
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Won’t happen, it would only add more evidence to what was going on and further substantiation of the testimony they already have. The GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They know witness testimony will further the case for impeachment and if they don’t proceed then it’s an admission there is much to hide.
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12-16-2019, 08:46 PM
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Won’t happen, it would only add more evidence to what was going on and further substantiation of the testimony they already have. The GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They know witness testimony will further the case for impeachment and if they don’t proceed then it’s an admission there is much to hide.
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This is quite delusional
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12-16-2019, 08:51 PM
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I know how you feel Lindsey, no need to hide it🤣
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12-17-2019, 05:49 AM
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Won’t happen, it would only add more evidence to what was going on and further substantiation of the testimony they already have.
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the most "compelling" testimony was from Sondland regarding what he claimed he told Zelensky's Aide which he needed to amend previous testimony to include..
and then....
THE HILL "A top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is refuting U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland’s testimony in the impeachment inquiry against President Trump"
incredibly pathetic partisan impeachment effort by the dems...
when trump is re-elected with a republican majority house and senate you can whine about the unfairness and russians or something 
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12-17-2019, 06:24 AM
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"There’s more support for impeaching Trump now than there was at the equivalent stage in the Watergate scandal— right after articles of impeachment were approved by the House Judiciary Committee. Rather than face impeachment, Nixon resigned."
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12-17-2019, 06:33 AM
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