The Buffett Rule

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Polls have consistently shown that Americans strongly support tax increases to reduce the deficit.

Even among Republicans 74% appear to believe some tax increases are necessary.

On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes

While both parties are going to have to get real about spending, the GOP leadership is out of step with the American people.

-spence

Spence - from your link: 50% approve only custs or of some tax increases with mostly with spending cuts.
Only 11% support by mostly tax increases. Shape the Narrative

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It's ALL HOCUS POCUS

News from The Associated Press

No matter how sorry JohnR and Spence feel about this guy, he's as dumb as a friggin turnip.

He really thinks this is real? This is his plan?

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Not sure where you get me supporting him but I would rather see honest solutions that work regardless of who proposes.

Speaking of honest solutions, this is the cornerstone of his deficit program? Additional taxes + 1 trillion that was going to go away anyway is crappy math.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Spence - from your link: 50% approve only custs or of some tax increases with mostly with spending cuts.
Only 11% support by mostly tax increases. Shape the Narrative

No, the poll supports my statement as written.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

No, the poll supports my statement as written.

-spence

If we are to be governed by mob opinion what is the future of individual liberty? On the other hand, the administration certainly doesn't care about being out of step with the American public on abortion or the so-called health care bill.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If we are to be governed by mob opinion what is the future of individual liberty? On the other hand, the administration certainly doesn't care about being out of step with the American public on abortion or the so-called health care bill.

Are they?

On abortion I think the public consistently supports the right to an abortion with some divergence on restrictions.

Support for the Health Care Bill at the time of passage was over 50%. That Obama made many mistakes when promoting it doesn't change the fact that the public supports reform.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Are they?

Are you answering my question with a question? Before you respond to my question about your question to my original question, I will actually answer your question--using polls to decide on legislation would be forcing majority "opinion" on the rights of the minorities. Unequal taxation on a minority of individuals simply because a majority likes the idea is not principled, Constitutionally protected due process or equal representation. It would be governing by mob opinion at the expense of individual rights.

On abortion I think the public consistently supports the right to an abortion with some divergence on restrictions.

Public opinion is solidly against partial birth abortion.

Support for the Health Care Bill at the time of passage was over 50%. That Obama made many mistakes when promoting it doesn't change the fact that the public supports reform.

-spence

I wasn't talking about reform. Was that not clear when I said "so-called health care bill?" Perhaps I am informed incorrectly on the polls, but I thought there was consistent majority opposition to the bill. I apologize if I was wrong. The point was that polls though they might be useful to someone running for office, are not a way to govern.

[scottw]

consistency

September 20, 2011
Obama Hits Bottom

Pres. Barack Obama promised to have a plan to pay for his massive new stimulus bill by Monday. He broke that promise, as he has broken so many others, and remains in the “plan to have a plan” stage of his inscrutable meditations, having only made yet another unsubstantial speech, full of high sentiment and short on details.

President Obama keeps repeating the words “Pass This Bill” like a third-grader who has just mastered a new vocabulary word, but it is worth noting that, at the moment, there is only half a bill: the 155 pages of stimulus spending he calls the American Jobs Act. That second part — the part where this is all “paid for” — has not condensed from the vapor that surrounds the president.
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September 20, 2011
Health-Care Chaos
States air frustrations over Obamacare’s confusing rules.

Officials from states both red and blue are frustrated and confused about Obamacare, and even those who want to implement the law are privately expressing anger at the Obama administration for providing them so little information on how to proceed.

The National Governors Association recently called a meeting of state officials to discuss implementation of the massive health-care law. On Friday, the NGA circulated a summary of the two-day meeting, “Timelines, State Options, and Federal Regulations,” which was attended by 120 officials from 40 states and territories.

The three major components of the law — insurance reform, Medicaid expansion, and health-insurance exchanges — are primarily the states’ responsibilities, but the states must work within the federal government’s rules, and the administration has been very slow to explain what those rules are. “Federal guidance has yet to be released or finalized on many issues,” the NGA report said, “confronting states with a lack of clarity.”

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I wasn't talking about reform. Was that not clear when I said "so-called health care bill?" Perhaps I am informed incorrectly on the polls, but I thought there was consistent majority opposition to the bill. I apologize if I was wrong. The point was that polls though they might be useful to someone running for office, are not a way to govern.

USA Today poll was 49% approved at time of passage...for Spence that would be "most all of America"

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Support for the Health Care Bill at the time of passage was over 50%.

-spence

At the time of passage when no one knew what was in the 3000 pages.

What are the current polls showing?

[Karl F]

current polls how that 51-56 % want a repeal of the health care law...HOWEVER...IF you keep going, with what the people want...
(the same ones being polled with the repeal question) those answering, prefer, by a 2 to 1 margin , Universal Health Care....

ABCNEWS.com : U.S. Health Care Concerns Increase


you can google up several polls... and polls, like most everything else, can be twisted to show the desired result...

hey, face it, we is FUBAR.... and no one man, with the current state of affairs in DC, or the US, for that matter, in the current state of hard line stonewalling, is going to solve ANY important issue...

after all it's in the true owners hands, not ours....

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

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Support for the Health Care Bill at the time of passage was over 50%. -spence

that is incorrect.