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05-06-2016, 09:59 AM
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Hilary and coal mining
So in one speech, Hilary brags to her liberal friends that "we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”
When a coal miner showed Hilary pictures of his kids, she said her previous comments were a misstatement.
Spence, how many ways are there, to interpret what she said? How many contexts can that be put in?
There are absolutely no limits to the lies and flip-flopping that this career politician will engage in...nor are there any limits to the contempt that she has for all of us, to assume we'd just accept her pathetic explanation.
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05-06-2016, 10:16 AM
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You could start by actually reading what she said.
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05-06-2016, 10:29 AM
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You could start by actually reading what she said.
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I quoted what she said. And saw the video.
I take that as your stalling, searching the Huffington Post for what to say in her defense.
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05-06-2016, 10:33 AM
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i don't necesarily have a problem with what she originally said. Clearly the liberal agenda would put a lot of these people out of work.
If I was running as a conservative, I would be forced to admit that a lot of public employees would soon be getting pink slips. But I wouldn't admit it one day, then say the next day that it was "taken out of context".
Your answer shouldn't depend on the audience. Hell, not only does she change her answer, she changes her accent, using a southern drawl when she is south of the Mason-Dixon line. That's not pandering. Nope.
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05-06-2016, 11:18 AM
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Spence doesn't care Jim. You see he is actually quite worried that she won't be the next president. Especially after so many republicans are going to register as a democrat in California, New Mexico and New Jersey to vote for Bernie so they won't have to endure 4 years of her.
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05-06-2016, 11:23 AM
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And Montana and North Dakota and somewhere else I think.
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05-06-2016, 11:33 AM
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Cruz had enough backbone to go into Iowa and tell them that he was for ending ethanol and mandates and subsidies . Clinton panders to her audience of the day without being held accountable .
Spence is checking with his wife and will be back to you shortly
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05-06-2016, 11:39 AM
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Cruz had enough backbone to go into Iowa and tell them that he was for ending ethanol and mandates and subsidies . Clinton panders to whoever her audiences. without being held accountable .
Spence is checking with his wife and will be back to you shortly
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Same response Buck, go read the full quote. You're wrong on both counts.
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05-06-2016, 11:43 AM
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Same response Buck, go read the full quote. You're wrong on both counts.
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That's TWICE you've come on, told us we are wrong, and offered zilch to support your claim. Still searching?
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05-06-2016, 11:44 AM
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Cruz had enough backbone to go into Iowa and tell them that he was for ending ethanol and mandates and subsidies .Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
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I remember that, and it was a rare display of honesty. It's a LOT EASIER to take the mike and just tell everyone what they want to hear.
Spence, I am curious...am I also wrong when I say that Hilary tends to adopt a southern accent, when she gives speeches in the south?
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05-06-2016, 11:47 AM
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Jim, take the ten seconds and read up on it yourself. This is why you rarely know what you're talking about.
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05-06-2016, 12:12 PM
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Jim, take the ten seconds and read up on it yourself. This is why you rarely know what you're talking about.
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Here's the video...
She says she's going to put them out of work. She's not very ambiguous about it. She also makes a very vague reference to the fact that she doesn't want to forget those people, and that (somehow) they will all have jobs in "green energy".
Well, many of those pepole are currently unemployed, and after 8 years of having a tree-hugging fanatic in the White House, I don't think those coal miners have yet found the pot of gold at the end of the green energy rainbow.
But I am sure that Hilary's apologist-in-chief here, will tell me that I am wrong, and that in fact most of those former coal miners are way better off now, thanks to Obama and Hilary. I guess they just forget to tell the unemployed miner who started all this by asking her the question. Maybe the libs can start going through his garbage too, and dig up dirt on him, like they did to Joe The Plumber, who had the nerve to ask Obama a question which he bombed. Because when libs know they look stupid, they respond with personal attacks. Always.
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05-06-2016, 02:45 PM
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You could start by actually reading what she said.
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yes spence she also said she will bring clean renewable energy....do not hold your breath
Please spence, tell us what she really said.
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"When its not about money,it's all about money."...
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05-06-2016, 03:51 PM
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What she was getting at is she proposes to shut down coal mines and push to get the people who loose their jobs hired into the green energy sector. It came out all wrong obviously. Crazy loon.
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05-06-2016, 04:02 PM
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What she was getting at is she proposes to shut down coal mines and push to get the people who loose their jobs hired into the green energy sector. It came out all wrong obviously. Crazy loon.
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Maybe they could go work for Solyndra
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05-06-2016, 04:52 PM
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What she was getting at is she proposes to shut down coal mines and push to get the people who loose their jobs hired into the green energy sector. It came out all wrong obviously. Crazy loon.
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Now you're just stirring the pot
Here's the real issue. The global coal industry is in a shambles. Producers in the US are over leveraged and have shifted to strip-mining because it easier...it also replaces people with machines. There's also a global shift towards renewable sources of energy which are driving technology innovation. Most coal plants are 40-60 years old and to rebuild to meet emissions standards isn't profitable as natural gas is undercutting their margin.
Having an understanding of global trends and economics as Clinton does she was stating the obvious, the jobs are going away as we transform, but she's proposing 30 Billion to help impacted communities move to a sustainable path.
And she did this right in the heart of coal country buck...
Knowledge + Experience + Leadership = Hillary Clinton
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05-06-2016, 06:00 PM
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Having an understanding of global trends and economics as Clinton does she was stating the obvious
Knowledge + Experience + Leadership = Hillary Clinton
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If she cares so much about clean air to save the planet, then why does she support Monsanto the company who's genetically modified food which is NOT labeled in this country, and is not safe for us to eat. But we will have clean air to breathe, but die of all kinds of nasty #^&#^&#^&#^& and destroy our ecology by ruining plants all over the world all because of money. She takes their filthy money, she wants power, all she wants is to get back into the White House with Bill. He'll make a great vice President won't he.
"understanding of global trends and economics" The rest of the world labels GMO but the US keeps knocking that down, our politicians are spineless money grubbing weasels afraid of Monsanto. Going to be hard to profit from all that GMO food with no people to sell it to when our grandchildren are dying from God knows what because of that abomination they are creating.. So What understanding of global anything does that fall under? She is all about herself Spence
God help us all
Greed, incompetence, evil and lies = Hillary
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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05-06-2016, 06:36 PM
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Now you're just stirring the pot
Here's the real issue. The global coal industry is in a shambles. Producers in the US are over leveraged and have shifted to strip-mining because it easier...it also replaces people with machines. There's also a global shift towards renewable sources of energy which are driving technology innovation. Most coal plants are 40-60 years old and to rebuild to meet emissions standards isn't profitable as natural gas is undercutting their margin.
Having an understanding of global trends and economics as Clinton does she was stating the obvious, the jobs are going away as we transform, but she's proposing 30 Billion to help impacted communities move to a sustainable path.
And she did this right in the heart of coal country buck...
Knowledge + Experience + Leadership = Hillary Clinton
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You should work for her if you already don't. Although then you'll be out of work after November.
Perhaps an over paid job at the Clinton Foundation .
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05-06-2016, 06:40 PM
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Accepting donations in exchange for arms deals
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05-06-2016, 06:47 PM
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Maybe they could go work for Solyndra
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Actually that energy department loan program ended up turning a profit, but you care about that.
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05-06-2016, 07:07 PM
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Actually that energy department loan program ended up turning a profit, but you care about that.
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How many bankruptcies?
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05-06-2016, 07:18 PM
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How many bankruptcies?
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Not many, I believe the default rate on 34 billion in loans was under 3 percent. It was a Bush era program intended to be revenue neutral but ended up turning a nice profit after the interest payments offset the losses.
You did know all this right?
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05-06-2016, 07:31 PM
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Actually that energy department loan program ended up turning a profit, but you care about that.
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After doing a little research it appears you are wrong again. In 2014 it looked like it would turn a $5 billion profit.,but by 2015 it was 2.2 billion in the hole .
And don't forget those bankruptcies and how many people they hurt .
But you wouldn't care about that
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05-06-2016, 08:13 PM
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After doing a little research it appears you are wrong again. In 2014 it looked like it would turn a $5 billion profit.,but by 2015 it was 2.2 billion in the hole . Obama Math
And don't forget those bankruptcies and how many people they hurt .
But you wouldn't care about that
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I think another failed recently
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05-06-2016, 10:34 PM
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Knowledge + Experience + Leadership = Hillary Clinton
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This is the crap that makes me want to punch my monitor
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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05-07-2016, 04:09 AM
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Knowledge + Experience + Leadership = Hillary Clinton
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This is the crap that makes me want to punch my monitor
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or you could have a laugh at the fact that there are actually people out there who would write such nonsense
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05-07-2016, 05:57 AM
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i call it the Puffington Post
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05-07-2016, 06:10 AM
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After doing a little research it appears you are wrong again. In 2014 it looked like it would turn a $5 billion profit.,but by 2015 it was 2.2 billion in the hole .
And don't forget those bankruptcies and how many people they hurt .
But you wouldn't care about that
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and that was before this just the other day...
NEW YORK – SunEdison, a renewable energy company once billed as North America’s largest provider of solar energy, is planning to file for bankruptcy this week in yet another green-energy debacle likely to cost the U.S. taxpayer in excess of $3 billion.
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05-07-2016, 08:42 AM
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If she cares so much about clean air to save the planet, then why does she support Monsanto the company who's genetically modified food which is NOT labeled in this country, and is not safe for us to eat. But we will have clean air to breathe, but die of all kinds of nasty #^&#^&#^&#^& and destroy our ecology by ruining plants all over the world all because of money. She takes their filthy money, she wants power, all she wants is to get back into the White House with Bill. He'll make a great vice President won't he.
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I've never heard of Clinton taking money from Monsanto, there have been a lot of lies spread around that she sat on their board. She did hire a lobbyist with ties to Monsanto to run ops in Iowa, which wouldn't be that odd...
I think she views GMO as a solution to some global problems. For instance if we're going to help starving people in Africa, sending over wheat seeds that can't grow in an arid climate isn't going to help them.
To be honest I think a lot of the GMO flap is overblown. I'd be much more concerned with excessive use of antibiotics and hormones in proteins.
As for labeling, I like as much information as I can get about my food, but remember from a business perspective this can add tremendous cost...i.e. more government regulation. I thought you didn't like that?
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05-07-2016, 08:44 AM
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After doing a little research it appears you are wrong again. In 2014 it looked like it would turn a $5 billion profit.,but by 2015 it was 2.2 billion in the hole .
And don't forget those bankruptcies and how many people they hurt .
But you wouldn't care about that
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No, you're reading it wrong or whomever you're reading read it wrong. I'd like to see the source.
The 2.2B refers to credit servicing costs that were factored into the program...because of improved credit among some of the loaners the credit service cost was half of what was expected.
The 5B in profit was a misinterpretation by the media according to the GAO...
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DOE provides information related to the costs of its loan programs in
reports, financial statements, and budget documents. Other entities,
including Congress and the public, rely on this information to weigh the
benefits of these programs, but the complexity of this information can lead
to confusion if users of this information are not aware of the context. For
example, DOE reported in November 2014 that the loan programs had
earned more than $810 million in interest and that DOE expected to earn
$5 billion in interest payments over the life of the loans and loan
guarantees.3 However, in part because this report did not include the
interest that DOE pays the government to finance its lending, the
information on expected interest earnings has been misinterpreted in
several media accounts as projecting $5 billion in profits for the DOE loan
programs.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/675595.pdf
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