No Collusion but

[Got Stripers]

As Rudy claims, even if there was, it’s not a crime. Roger Stone arrested in FL with seven count indictment, which unless you are blind to the facts, proves collusion between the Trump campaign, Wikileaks and Russia. The WALL is closing in around the Trump family, maybe that is why he is holding out over the wall, he figures if I’m going down I’m taking the dems with me.

[Sea Dangles]

Thank you for posting your random thoughts.
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[Got Stripers]

Funny how this “witch hunt” keeps indicting people, but I know you hate fake news, so I wanted to make sure your got a real breaking story quickly.
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[wdmso]

to bad some here and nationally are more outraged over the coverage of the Covington kids.. and the fake media


then they are about the actions of Trump and Trump's inner circle says a lot about their priorities

THE GOP HAS PUT TRUMP 1ST PARTY 2ND Americans 3rd and the the rule of law and Truth comes up in last place

The indictment includes one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness-tampering.


Jim please tell us how this has nothing to do with Trump or his Administration Seems Trump is running out of Road

[Got Stripers]

He bankrupted three casinos, his bankrupt soul feels no remorse for what he is putting those pour government workers thru, this is all about his ego. Ego to the point he doesn’t even care about the increased risk to the public he has created and the GOP should be ashamed they continue to support this clown.
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[PaulS]

Sanders said Stone's arrest had nothing to do with Trump. In fact it has everything to do with his (lack of) character and instead of surrounding himself with "the best", many of them are grifters and looking to make a $ off of Trump and the country in any way they can.

Did any other Pres. have such a sleazy cast of characters?

[JohnR]

Need to see the evidence and see if there is something here - then need competent and unbiased legal people use the system as designed. Let Gov work the problem.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sanders said Stone's arrest had nothing to do with Trump. In fact it has everything to do with his (lack of) character and instead of surrounding himself with "the best", many of them are grifters and looking to make a $ off of Trump and the country in any way they can.

Did any other Pres. have such a sleazy cast of characters?

Not quite, but these guys have been slithering around the Republican Party for years

Since the 1970s, Stone has worked on the campaigns of Republican politicians such as Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, Bob Dole and Donald Trump.
Manafort was an adviser to the U.S. presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bob Dole.

[Pete F.]

Trump’s upset CNN was there
Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Greatest Witch Hunt in the History of our Country! NO COLLUSION! Border Coyotes, Drug Dealers and Human Traffickers are treated better. Who alerted CNN to be there?
11:16 AM · Jan 25, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
Donnie the grand jury met yesterday, something was going to happen
He would have been even more upset if the CNN team at Jr’s House got the pics
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Let Gov work.

If only.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Need to see the evidence and see if there is something here - then need competent and unbiased legal people use the system as designed. Let Gov work the problem.

I think the 7 indictments/convictions demonstrate there's quite a lot there. This is now the third thread of collusion or attempted collusion by the Trump campaign on record.

Witches be everywhere.

[Got Stripers]

If a CEO of a major company had that many top level officials under indictment, convicted or doing time, how long before the board ( congress) shows him the door.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If a CEO of a major company had that many top level officials under indictment, convicted or doing time, how long before the board ( congress) shows him the door.
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And I was just talking about Trump campaign officials, not the broader pool of indictments. Never seen anything like this.

[wdmso]

Captain of the ship it’s that easy
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

He bankrupted three casinos, his bankrupt soul feels no remorse for what he is putting those pour government workers thru, this is all about his ego. Ego to the point he doesn’t even care about the increased risk to the public he has created and the GOP should be ashamed they continue to support this clown.
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"He bankrupted three casinos"

He did it, single handedly? Can you elaborate?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

As Rudy claims, even if there was, it’s not a crime. Roger Stone arrested in FL with seven count indictment, which unless you are blind to the facts, proves collusion between the Trump campaign, Wikileaks and Russia. The WALL is closing in around the Trump family, maybe that is why he is holding out over the wall, he figures if I’m going down I’m taking the dems with me.

OK, this is a sincere question, not trying to be a jerk.

I just saw Alan Dershowitz, a liberal Harvard law professor, on TV. He said that the indictments against Stone (like most of the Mueller indictments) cover crimes that occurred after the Mueller investigation started. Meaning, the crimes amount to misdeeds done to obstruct the Mueller investigation (witness tampering, obstruction, etc), not misdeeds that connect the Trump campaign to Russian collusion during the campaign. How does the indictment prove collusion between team trump, wikileaks, and Russia.

I am just asking the question, is Dershowitz right or wrong?

And obviously, people who are guilty have much more incentive to obstruct and tamper with witnesses.

And here's another sincere question. If Trump colluded with the Russians to get dirt on the Hilary campaign (and that's looking like less and less of a huge 'if'), how different is that, from the DOJ using the Clinton-funded Steele dossier to get FISA warrants on an American citizen?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the 7 indictments/convictions demonstrate there's quite a lot there. This is now the third thread of collusion or attempted collusion by the Trump campaign on record.

Witches be everywhere.

And the evidence needs to be collected and put in front of proper authority / legislatures. There are constitutionally protected procedures for this and flying a RESIST flag is not one of them

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the 7 indictments/convictions demonstrate there's quite a lot there. This is now the third thread of collusion or attempted collusion by the Trump campaign on record.

Witches be everywhere.

Could this be code red time Jeff?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I am just asking the question, is Dershowitz right or wrong?

He's technically right but that's just legal wonk. The DOJ could still bring additional indictments to Stone, or they might think the charges against Stone for conspiracy may not be strong enough for a grand jury but the obstruction and false statements are. Regardless it seems like he has a lot of lying to be accountable for.

And here's another sincere question. If Trump colluded with the Russians to get dirt on the Hilary campaign (and that's looking like less and less of a huge 'if'), how different is that, from the DOJ using the Clinton-funded Steele dossier to get FISA warrants on an American citizen?

You're comparing apples and tractor tires. Regardless the FISA warrant for Page was based on a lot of intel that had nothing to do with the Dossier. Even with that, there are no rules that state info like the Dossier can't be used for the warrant, it's up for the judge to decide, and 4 republican appointed federal judges agreed with the surveillance.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And the evidence needs to be collected and put in front of proper authority / legislatures. There are constitutionally protected procedures for this and flying a RESIST flag is not one of them

Legislatures or the DOJ. I don't think Congress should act until there's a formal report but with what we know from the indictments alone an obstruction case isn't going to be hard to make. Don Jr seems to have a clear perjury indictment waiting for him.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

He's technically right but that's just legal wonk. The DOJ could still bring additional indictments to Stone, or they might think the charges against Stone for conspiracy may not be strong enough for a grand jury but the obstruction and false statements are. Regardless it doesn't seem like he has a lot of lying to be accountable for.


You're comparing apples and tractor tires. Regardless the FISA warrant for Page was based on a lot of intel that had nothing to do with the Dossier. Even with that, there are no rules that state info like the Dossier can't be used for the warrant, it's up for the judge to decide, and 4 republican appointed federal judges agreed with the surveillance.

so what is in the stone indictments, which connects team
trump directly to wikileaks and the russians?

agreed on the steele dossier, no rules against it. but when it’s paid for by an opposition political campaign, and used to spy on a citizen ( didnhebget accused or indicted or
convicted of
anything, by the way?), smells like
the opposite of democracy.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so what is in the stone indictments, which connects team
trump directly to wikileaks and the russians?

Well, Stone is Trump's longest political confidant and was on the campaign team for a period and I believe remained on as an adviser. I also believe the indictment contains evidence of communication between Guccifer 2.0 (i.e Russia) Stone, Assange and unnamed Trump campaign officials. I'm sure we'll learn more about this.

agreed on the steele dossier, no rules against it. but when it’s paid for by an opposition political campaign, and used to spy on a citizen ( didnhebget accused or indicted or
convicted of
anything, by the way?), smells like
the opposite of democracy.
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As we said before, Cater Page was on the FBI's radar for his Russian connections before the Dossier.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, Stone is Trump's longest political confidant and was on the campaign team for a period and I believe remained on as an adviser. I also believe the indictment contains evidence of communication between Guccifer 2.0 (i.e Russia) Stone, Assange and unnamed Trump campaign officials. I'm sure we'll learn more about this.


As we said before, Cater Page was on the FBI's radar for his Russian connections before the Dossier.

did page ever get indicted for anything? the fbi, at least some within the DOJ, seemed to have an anti trump agenda, we all saw the Strzok texts.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

did page ever get indicted for anything? the fbi, at least some within the DOJ, seemed to have an anti trump agenda, we all saw the Strzok texts.
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Not every investigation leads to an indictment. It’s possible it provided info on others that were. As for Strzok I believe the IG said it didn’t influence his professional work. The media report was on a handful of texts out of many thousands even.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Not every investigation leads to an indictment. It’s possible it provided info on others that were. As for Strzok I believe the IG said it didn’t influence his professional work. The media report was on a handful of texts out of many thousands even.
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so that’s a
no, page was never charged with anything? jeez, all you had to say was no. and steroids was demoted, and fired, right?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so that’s a
no, page was never charged with anything? jeez, all you had to say was no. and steroids was demoted, and fired, right?
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The investigation wasn’t started because of Carter Page there Jim.
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[Pete F.]

I smell smoke
I heard someone say “I have nothing to do with Russia, I have no deals in Russia, I have no pending deals in Russia
And it’s a lie
He’s a lying sack of #^&#^&#^&#^&
He always has been and always will be
He has the morals of a dog
How could anyone be so ignorant and blind as to trust him with the future of this country
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How could anyone be so ignorant and blind as to trust him with the future of this country
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Watch a trump rally. Look at all the hate. Look at all the poverty. Realize trumps game is to tell them that poor immigrants are the threat to their problems. Not the rich people in power who have capped wages that when adjusted for inflation have remained stagnation since the 70s.
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[Got Stripers]

The smoke is from Trump melting down, to him caving in to a women with more power in this circumstance must have made him mental. He got exactly what he deserved, he had two years to address immigration and his GD wall, maybe if he started work before 11am, golfed less and spent less time watching a Fox and tweeting, he might have figured it out that things work differently in this job. Bullying people to get his way may have worked in the tower, not on the hill.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

trumps game is to tell them that poor immigrants are the threat to their problems.

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this is brilliant in an 8 beer kinda way...