Rahm and his business

[Sea Dangles]

What do you think can be done to curtail the shooting in Chicago? This is not the America that illegals risk being sent back home for. What a disgrace this progressive run city has become.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

What do you think can be done to curtail the shooting in Chicago? This is not the America that illegals risk being sent back home for. What a disgrace this progressive run city has become.

I travel to several times each year, no worries here. A few bad neighborhoods but most big cities have those.

Chicago is usually one of the best cities in the US in most rankings.

What exactly is your beef?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I travel to several times each year, no worries here. A few bad neighborhoods but most big cities have those.

Chicago is usually one of the best cities in the US in most rankings.

What exactly is your beef?
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maybe a "best city" if you are a white liberal

"Chicago has more homicides than any other city in the United States — more than New York and Los Angeles combined."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.72208882574f

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

maybe a "best city" if you are a white liberal

"Chicago has more homicides than any other city in the United States — more than New York and Los Angeles combined."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.72208882574f

Number is high because Chicago has a big population, when you compare the homicide rate to other US cities it doesn’t even make the top 20.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I travel to several times each year, no worries here. A few bad neighborhoods but most big cities have those.

Chicago is usually one of the best cities in the US in most rankings.

What exactly is your beef?
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I also love Chicago Jeff,my brother lived there for years and I spent a lot of time there. But if you have not noticed the severity of their violence,or choose to ignore like Rahm,then you are truly the snowflake that you are characterized as.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I also love Chicago Jeff,my brother lived there for years and I spent a lot of time there. But if you have not noticed the severity of their violence,or choose to ignore like Rahm,then you are truly the snowflake that you are characterized as.
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I don’t think Rham has ignored it he’s just not been very effective at reducing it in the problem areas.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don’t think Rham has ignored it he’s just not been very effective at reducing it in the problem areas.
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So he sucks at his job
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I travel to several times each year, no worries here.
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the 500 murder victims a year, and their families, will be very relieved to know that you don’t see any problems there.

Spence says there’s nothing to see, so let’s move along.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

What do you think can be done to curtail the shooting in Chicago? This is not the America that illegals risk being sent back home for. What a disgrace this progressive run city has become.

Chicago has a bit lower homicide rate (24 per 100,000) than Guatemala (31.2 per 100,000), but not that much better enough to migrate there. Guatemalans might really want to stay away from Progressive cities like St. Louis (59.3/100,000), Baltimore (55.8/100,000), Detroit (39.7 per 100,000), and New Orleans (40.4/100,000). Folks from some of these cities might want to seek asylum in Guatemala.

[wdmso]

Honestly not sure if his was legal or not legal ..

but the country has a gun volume issue... more cars more accidents more fish more caught more homes in wooded more houses on the coast areas more costly disasters More Guns more deaths by Guns its not the only reason its 1 of many I think

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the country has a gun volume issue... more cars more accidents more fish more caught more homes in wooded more houses on the coast areas more costly disasters More Guns more deaths by Guns its not the only reason its 1 of many I think

If it's a volume issue, then why do we want to increase the volume of people by allowing even more legal or illegal immigrants added to the already 11 to 30 million illegals already here.

Spence said: "Number [of gun deaths] is high because Chicago has a big population, when you compare the homicide rate to other US cities it doesn’t even make the top 20."

Replacing people with your above stated volume issues you get:
more people more accidents more people more fish caught more people more costly disasters on the coast areas More People more deaths by Guns or by other weapons . . .

Let's fix the volume issue--start with importing less people . . .

[Sea Dangles]

Another city going into the pooper due to progressive idealism.
Add it to the list if there is not a drastic measure taken in order to insure safety. This guy sucks and is endangering his constituents by his lack of action.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Another city going into the pooper due to progressive idealism.
Add it to the list if there is not a drastic measure taken in order to insure safety. This guy sucks and is endangering his constituents by his lack of action.
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I guess with all the booming economic growth, swelling corporate investment and development going all over I hadn’t noticed how bad progressives had damaged a once proud city.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I guess with all the booming economic growth, swelling corporate investment and development going all over I hadn’t noticed how bad progressives had damaged a once proud city.
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Lipstick on a pig.See San Francisco for more evidence.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Lipstick on a pig.See San Francisco for more evidence.
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It's pretty amusing that you picked two of the strongest cities in the USA as your examples of progressive decline. Those elite Hollywood snowflakes and their 15 Billion dollar surplus

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

It's pretty amusing that you picked two of the strongest cities in the USA as your examples of progressive decline. Those elite Hollywood snowflakes and their 15 Billion dollar surplus

Yup,one is like the ok corral. The other is hiring people to clean human feces off the sidewalks downtown. My oldest couldn’t leave ANY change in his car in SF if he wanted to have windows. Thousands sleep under the freeway or on doorsteps of downtown businesses every night and that sits just fine with your type. This why I will never choose to be a #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. Oh and the surplus,they must save their pennies on fire prevention.
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[Nebe]

Maybe the city planning board wants stealth population control.
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[Pete F.]

Maybe he's doing something, it went down by 27% this year

In Chicago, 486 people have been killed this year. That is 131 fewer than 2017.

From last January, shortly after Trumps rant.
The latest effort to unravel the mystery comes from a new report released last week by the University of Chicago Crime Labs. In it, researchers took an exhaustive look at a wealth of data on social programs, mental-health funding, policing strategies, criminal-investigation clearance rates, gun ownership, and more. What they found raised more questions than answers.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...e-2016/514331/

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

It's pretty amusing that you picked two of the strongest cities in the USA as your examples of progressive decline. Those elite Hollywood snowflakes and their 15 Billion dollar surplus

Sea Dangles is correct. What you characterize here is, as he says, lipstick on a pig. What created wealth in these cities is capitalism, not Progressive government. Capitalism creates wealth. Progressivism regulates and taxes it. Capitalism, if allowed to, creates wealth in any system of government. China is an example of what it can do even in a Communist country.

You want to claim a strong Progressive success in Chicago by citing wealth for which Progressivism is not responsible. Actually, the economic "success" you cite has created there one of the major things that Progressives cite as a failure of capitalism--income inequality. The disparity of wealth in Chicago, and in the state of California is far greater than it is in most of the non-Progressive smaller localities in the U.S. And the heavy taxes in Chicago don't spread the wealth near enough to fix that inequality.

And Chicago, as well as other large Progressive cities, suffer from another failure that Progressives try to legislate against, gun violence.

You want to have it both ways. On the one hand, income inequality is supposed to be this huge problem than can bring our country down, but the "booming economic growth, swelling corporate investment and development" in Chicago, as you put it are a really good thing when you want to defend the pig. And gun violence, which you've claimed to be a major scourge in this country is OK, or not so bad, apparently, if its not in the top 20.

Progressivism sucks more milk out of the big tit of capitalism than it can possibly manufacture or grow enough new tits to make up the difference. And the Progressive spawn of infinite genders, and of the social, cultural, and philosophical voids created by the destruction of basic absolutes leaves us with a weak thread of societal coherence which leads to more violence against each other, more hate and misunderstanding, more jealousy and revenge, more of the things that rip societies apart, not the things that hold it together. It's not income inequality or guns that are the threat to the wealth and well being of this country.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Sea Dangles is correct. What you characterize here is, as he says, lipstick on a pig. What created wealth in these cities is capitalism, not Progressive government. Capitalism creates wealth. Progressivism regulates and taxes it. Capitalism, if allowed to, creates wealth in any system of government. China is an example of what it can do even in a Communist country.

You want to claim a strong Progressive success in Chicago by citing wealth for which Progressivism is not responsible. Actually, the economic "success" you cite has created there one of the major things that Progressives cite as a failure of capitalism--income inequality. The disparity of wealth in Chicago, and in the state of California is far greater than it is in most of the non-Progressive smaller localities in the U.S. And the heavy taxes in Chicago don't spread the wealth near enough to fix that inequality.

And Chicago, as well as other large Progressive cities, suffer from another failure that Progressives try to legislate against, gun violence.

You want to have it both ways. On the one hand, income inequality is supposed to be this huge problem than can bring our country down, but the "booming economic growth, swelling corporate investment and development" in Chicago, as you put it are a really good thing when you want to defend the pig. And gun violence, which you've claimed to be a major scourge in this country is OK, or not so bad, apparently, if its not in the top 20.

Progressivism sucks more milk out of the big tit of capitalism than it can possibly manufacture or grow enough new tits to make up the difference. And the Progressive spawn of infinite genders, and of the social, cultural, and philosophical voids created by the destruction of basic absolutes leaves us with a weak thread of societal coherence which leads to more violence against each other, more hate and misunderstanding, more jealousy and revenge, more of the things that rip societies apart, not the things that hold it together. It's not income inequality or guns that are the threat to the wealth and well being of this country.

And conservatism is what in your world view? the country's saviour....

your inability to see beyond the propaganda you read and repeat here is amazing to watch

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And conservatism is what in your world view?

Not a very clear one. "Conservatism" in this country is a mixed bag. That's why I usually put the word in quotes. Worldwide, it is even more mixed. Conservative in most West European countries would be leftist here. I try to have views narrowed to the effects on individuals and their freedoms.

Progressivism does have a clearer more homogenous world strain of political philosophy. And it is consistently a social Marxist, post modern world view. A view which makes centralized government the supreme commander and definer of human rights. The more world centralized, the better.

the country's saviour....

Depends on what is to be saved. If that is our founding form of constitutional government, then people who want to preserve the inalienable rights of that government would be the saviors.

your inability to see beyond the propaganda you read and repeat here is amazing to watch

Can you point out to me the propaganda that I read and repeated in the post to which you replied?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Can you point out to me the propaganda that I read and repeated in the post to which you replied?

Progressivism sucks more milk out of the big tit of capitalism than it can possibly manufacture or grow enough new tits to make up the difference. And the Progressive spawn of infinite genders, and of the social, cultural, and philosophical voids created by the destruction of basic absolutes leaves us with a weak thread of societal coherence which leads to more violence against each other, more hate and misunderstanding, more jealousy and revenge, more of the things that rip societies apart, not the things that hold it together. It's not income inequality or guns that are the threat to the wealth and well being of this country

or Progressivism does have a clearer more homogenous world strain of political philosophy. And it is consistently a social Marxist, post modern world view.


If that is our founding form of constitutional government, then people who want to preserve the inalienable rights of that government would be the saviors.

Then Trumps isn't your Man he is taking a wrecking ball to that idea

find it odd your views seem to suggest an absence of Conservatives as if there has never been any in office ... or while in office faced the same problems progressives have face resulting in little change but ending up with the same outcomes... that you blame on progressives ..

[DZ]

Instead of defecting try and answer the original question:
Obviously it will be hard to get rid of all the guns by adding new laws to existing laws. Even if you banned all firearms it would take a generation to institute that policy.

It's just a feel good move to keep saying that Chicago is a very nice and highly rated city to visit but that doesn't help the innocent population on the city's south side who live with this violence day after day.

So the answer could/should be an action that changes the behavior and makeup of the populations in neighborhoods where most of the shootings occur. IMO this would be some sort of "police action" that would infringe on constitutional rights to privacy; such as stop and frisk and body/home/vehicle searches without a warrant. Allow racial profiling if statistics show that black on black crime is the main cause.

These are my opinions - we need answers not rhetoric.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Progressivism sucks more milk out of the big tit of capitalism than it can possibly manufacture or grow enough new tits to make up the difference. And the Progressive spawn of infinite genders, and of the social, cultural, and philosophical voids created by the destruction of basic absolutes leaves us with a weak thread of societal coherence which leads to more violence against each other, more hate and misunderstanding, more jealousy and revenge, more of the things that rip societies apart, not the things that hold it together. It's not income inequality or guns that are the threat to the wealth and well being of this country

or Progressivism does have a clearer more homogenous world strain of political philosophy. And it is consistently a social Marxist, post modern world view.


If that is our founding form of constitutional government, then people who want to preserve the inalienable rights of that government would be the saviors.


When I asked if you "Can you point out to me the propaganda that I read and repeated", your answer here is to merely repeat what I said. Are you claiming that I read and repeated my own propaganda? That is circular nonsense which indicates that you don't actually have any idea of what "propaganda" I read. Or even if such propaganda exists.

Everything I said is my opinion. It is not a repetition of what anybody else said. It is a culmination of everything I've experienced and read expressed in my own words.

Are you unwittingly admitting that every opinion you express is a result of the propaganda you've read and repeated and that you are projecting your own way of thinking on me?


Then Trumps isn't your Man he is taking a wrecking ball to that idea

Trump is much nearer to my "Man" than Hillary is. You do realize I was making a choice between what was available? And Trump is actually restoring some of "that idea." Hillary's wrecking ball would have been far more devastating.

find it odd your views seem to suggest an absence of Conservatives as if there has never been any in office ... or while in office faced the same problems progressives have face resulting in little change but ending up with the same outcomes... that you blame on progressives ..

I have said, SEVERAL TIMES, in the past that Republicans have become a form of Democrat lite. I don't know what you mean by "Conservatives." It seems that you equate "Conservative" with Republican. I have said, SEVERAL TIMES, that many Republicans are/were Progressive. I have explained what I mean by "Progressive." It is not a political party, it is a way of governing. It is anti-constitutional. It does not believe in unalienable rights, but that government creates all rights. It espouses the unrestricted power of centralized government. It has, over the past hundred years, eroded our constitutional order into an ever expanding control by the federal government.

We still have the remnants of the founding constitutional order, but we are close to erasing that. And Hillary supported by Progressives would have brought us even closer. That's why I said "If that is our founding form of constitutional government, then people who want to preserve the inalienable rights of that government would be the saviors."

And those are my own, well thought out, opinions expressed in my own words.

I apologize to the forum for digressing from the subject of this thread, but wdmso, once again, swerved into another discussion to which I felt it necessary to respond.

[Pete F.]

Interesting how people claiming to be Federalists want so vehemently an amendment that was a compromise between the Federalists and the anti Federalists.
Not until 2008 did the Supreme court rule that States did not have the right to restrict gun rights, much like the Supreme court ruled in 1973 on abortion.
I suppose both could be overturned.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

What do you think can be done to curtail the shooting in Chicago? This is not the America that illegals risk being sent back home for. What a disgrace this progressive run city has become.

i think it’s a superbly organized community, and that whoever helped organize it, should
run for president.

what Chicago needs, is the exact opposite of what liberalism forces upon it. What it needs, all it needs, is an embrace of the culture of traditional, old fashioned family values ( two parents raising kids, encouraging them to stay in school, working hard, making good long-term decisions, and god forbid, going to church on sumdays and listening, and i don’t mean Rev Wright’s church). What Chicago gets instead, is a mocking of those family values, a pat on the head, and a small welfare check. it’s not working. Is it?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i think it’s a superbly organized community, and that whoever helped organize it, should
run for president.

what Chicago needs, is the exact opposite of what liberalism forces upon it. What it needs, all it needs, is an embrace of the culture of traditional, old fashioned family values ( two parents raising kids, encouraging them to stay in school, working hard, making good long-term decisions, and god forbid, going to church on sumdays and listening, and i don’t mean Rev Wright’s church). What Chicago gets instead, is a mocking of those family values, a pat on the head, and a small welfare check. it’s not working. Is it?
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yes, those good old fashion conservative values - Tell the poor that you are on your own (that empathy thing - or should I say lack of empathy). Claim that any social services causes laziness and that the poor in the inner cities are poor bc of liberalism. "They need to lift themselves up by the boot straps".

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

yes, those good old fashion conservative values - Tell the poor that you are on your own (that empathy thing - or should I say lack of empathy). Claim that any social services causes laziness and that the poor in the inner cities are poor bc of liberalism. "They need to lift themselves up by the boot straps".

“tell the poor that you are on your own”.

please provide some evidence, that one of the pillars of conservatism, or if judeo/christian ethics, is to ignore the poor? or is this one of those situations where (1) i’m right, and (2) you can’t bear to admit it, so you lob a fabricated, baseless, stupid insult instead? we’ve discussed many times the study which annihilated the notion that liberals care more about the poor.

“claim that any social service causes laziness.”. it would
quite stupud to say that all social
service programs cause
laziness. it would
be quite thoughtless to deny that in some cases, it causes laziness. I certainly never said that all charity programs cause laziness. Seems like you are responding to something that no one has said.

Paul, is Chicago a city that’s been run by liberals for many years? Is it working? In my opinion, we’ve tried decades of liberalism in places like Chicago, and i think the people there deserve better, so i advicate for trying something different. is that as callous as you are desperately trying to make it out to be?

in the future, if you could respond to what i actually say, rather than responding to stupid jibberish that I’d never say,,our discussions will be more productive.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“tell the poor that you are on your own”.

please provide some evidence, that one of the pillars of conservatism, or if judeo/christian ethics, is to ignore the poor?But that is the platform they constantly run on - cut taxes and then when the deficit balloons, cut social welfare programs and claim the poor are lazy. or is this one of those situations where (1) i’m right, and (2) you can’t bear to admit it, so you lob a fabricated, baseless, stupid insult instead? we’ve discussed many times the study which annihilated the notion that liberals care more about the poor. And we have constantly shown that the conservatives lack empathy and their budgets show that.

“claim that any social service causes laziness.”. it would
quite stupud to say that all social
service programs cause
laziness. it would
be quite thoughtless to deny that in some cases, it causes laziness.Yes, those poor in the inner cities lead great lives. Would you for 1 min. trade your life for theirs? I wouldn't and I hate getting up 5:23 every morning I go into the office. I certainly never said that all charity programs cause laziness. Seems like you are responding to something that no one has said.I hear if from my conservative friends quite a lot.

Paul, is Chicago a city that’s been run by liberals for many years? Is it working? Liberals of course. But you're taking what a small % of people are doing and conflating it to all. In my opinion, we’ve tried decades of liberalism in places like Chicago, and i think the people there deserve better, so i advicate for trying something different. is that as callous as you are desperately trying to make it out to be?

in the future, if you could respond to what i actually say, rather than responding to stupid jibberish that I’d never say,,our discussions will be more productive. When you are the owner of this site I'll post the way you want me to. Conservatives say those things I mentioned. You yourself have claimed that liberal policies has caused the poor to continue to be poor.
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Look at the per capital GDP (and many other stats). Conservative states lag behind (even with the greater natural resources they have - and the advantage of higher per capita government spending in those states.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Look at the per capital GDP (and many other stats). Conservative states lag behind (even with the greater natural resources they have - and the advantage of higher per capita government spending in those states.

" that is the platform they constantly run on - cut taxes and then when the deficit balloons, cut social welfare programs "

First, who ran up more debt than the guy who was there from 2009-2016? Anyone? Second, conservatives want to cut waste, not vital social programs. Big difference.

"And we have constantly shown that the conservatives lack empathy "

Yet the one study, shows that conservatives donate more time, more money, to charity. So who is the "we" that has shown that conservatives lack empathy? The anti-abortion position is based on nothing but empathy. You're lobbing baseless, un-provable allegations.

"their budgets show that"

That's a good one. Here in CT where you live I believe, the democrat-controlled legislature last year, (1) signed a union deal guaranteeing raises, longevity bonuses, and no layoffs, and at the same time (2) closed 26 non profits. IS that indicative of the liberal monopoly on empathy you are desperately, desperately trying to establish? I'm not saying there aren't any conservatives who are greedy and callous, but the conservative platform isn't lacking in empathy the way you are trying to depict it. You can say it as many times as you want. I can say that I look like Justin Verlander and should be married to Kate Upton. That doesn't make it so.

"those poor in the inner cities lead great lives"

Can you go one single post, without responding to something that I never said? Not only did I never say they lead great lives, I said they deserve something better. Are you hearing voices? Or is your reading comprehension really that bad?

"When you are the owner of this site I'll post the way you want me to"

I didn't demand that you do anything. I made a request (that you respond to what I'm actually saying) . Many would say it's a reasonable request. But if you want to act as if I said that we should kill the poor and sell their stuff, obviously I can't stop you. BUu you're embarrassing yourself.