Roy Moore / Al Franken

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Agree ; )



NOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I want someone Smart, Tactful, and informed in the World!

Give me Condaleeza Rice - smart, smart, tactful, and she doesn't want the job!!!

(Though the left would vilify her)

I doubt that there would be politicians on the left calling her a guerilla.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I doubt that there would be politicians on the left calling her a guerilla.

No doubt politicians on the left would not be mean to her, or would not call her some sort of suck-up to big money or traitor to the black community or various not so nice right wingishness.

[PaulS]

See any patterns here?

Rates are the number of reported forcible rapes per 100,000 people.

1. New Jersey - 11.7

2. New York - 14.6

3. Virginia - 17.7

4. Vermont - 19.3

5. North Carolina - 20.3

6. Hawaii - 20.5

7. California - 20.6

8. Maryland - 21

9. Wisconsin - 21.3

10. Georgia - 21.4

11. West Virginia - 22.7

12. Massachusetts - 24.7

13. Missouri - 25.1

14. Louisiana - 25.2

15. Indiana - 25.5

16. Connecticut - 25.6

17. Pennsylvania - 26.1

18. Delaware - 26.5

19. Wyoming - 26.7

20. Alabama - 26.9

21. Florida - 27.2

22. Rhode Island - 27.4

23. Mississippi - 27.5

24. Illinois - 27.7

25. Maine - 28

26. Iowa - 28.3

27. Kentucky - 29

28. Oregon - 29.2

29. Texas - 29.6

30. Idaho - 30

31. Minnesota - 30.5

32. Tennessee - 31.5

33. Ohio - 31.7

34. Washington - 31.8

35. Utah - 33

36. Nevada - 33.7

37. New Hampshire - 34

38. Arizona - 34.7

39. South Carolina - 35.5

40. Kansas - 36.5

41. District of Columbia - 37.3

42. Montana - 37.7

43. Nebraska - 38.3

44. North Dakota 38.9

45. Colorado - 40.7

46. Oklahoma - 41.6

47. Arkansas - 42.3

48. New Mexico - 45.9

49. Michigan - 46.4

50. South Dakota - 70.2

51. Alaska - 79.7

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

See any patterns here?

Rates are the number of reported forcible rapes per 100,000 people.

1. New Jersey - 11.7

2. New York - 14.6

3. Virginia - 17.7

4. Vermont - 19.3

5. North Carolina - 20.3

6. Hawaii - 20.5

7. California - 20.6

8. Maryland - 21

9. Wisconsin - 21.3

10. Georgia - 21.4

11. West Virginia - 22.7

12. Massachusetts - 24.7

13. Missouri - 25.1

14. Louisiana - 25.2

15. Indiana - 25.5

16. Connecticut - 25.6

17. Pennsylvania - 26.1

18. Delaware - 26.5

19. Wyoming - 26.7

20. Alabama - 26.9

21. Florida - 27.2

22. Rhode Island - 27.4

23. Mississippi - 27.5

24. Illinois - 27.7

25. Maine - 28

26. Iowa - 28.3

27. Kentucky - 29

28. Oregon - 29.2

29. Texas - 29.6

30. Idaho - 30

31. Minnesota - 30.5

32. Tennessee - 31.5

33. Ohio - 31.7

34. Washington - 31.8

35. Utah - 33

36. Nevada - 33.7

37. New Hampshire - 34

38. Arizona - 34.7

39. South Carolina - 35.5

40. Kansas - 36.5

41. District of Columbia - 37.3

42. Montana - 37.7

43. Nebraska - 38.3

44. North Dakota 38.9

45. Colorado - 40.7

46. Oklahoma - 41.6

47. Arkansas - 42.3

48. New Mexico - 45.9

49. Michigan - 46.4

50. South Dakota - 70.2

51. Alaska - 79.7

Not enough info to make a meaningful pattern showing the connection between Republican political philosophy vs. Democrat political philosophy in regard to forcible rapes. Actually, no information in those numbers in that regard.

Also, no breakdown on race of perpetrators.

Much too sketchy to mean a whole lot.

So Alaska had 560 rapes committed by whom? And California had 7774 rapes committed by whom? For whom did the perpetrators vote. And what would that have to do with politics and political philosophy.

[PaulS]

Here is another good one showing violence against women.

Want to guess before you open the link whether they generally vote right or left?

http://www.revelist.com/us-news/10-w...-violence/4897

And another good read (more indepth than just violence) Amazing how many studies you can find on what states are better for women. They all seem to show the same type of trends - anyone want to guess?

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-w...r-women/10728/

Off to the gym now.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Here is another good one showing violence against women.

Want to guess before you open the link whether they generally vote right or left?

http://www.revelist.com/us-news/10-w...-violence/4897

No info on how the perpetrators voted. Did any of them vote Democrat? And what would that have that to do with either Party?

And another good read (more indepth than just violence) Amazing how many studies you can find on what states are better for women. They all seem to show the same type of trends - anyone want to guess?

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-w...r-women/10728/

Do the men in those states have the same trends? Is it really a gender issue?

Off to the gym now.

Have fun.

[PaulS]

He is so snarky I usually just ignore him.

[Got Stripers]

Men of character don't need to bully their way to the top and even if in the back of their minds they still believe men to be superior to women; they would never sexually harass, inappropriately touch or even consider raping a woman. I think any man who can beat a women or child, sexually harass or go so far as rape a woman; are cowards and not men at all.

Shame on either the left or right for contributing to this inappropriate behavior and double shame on those willing to stand by and say nothing or even promote a known abuser to a position where he can do more harm. To see the GOP do the right thing initially by not backing Moore, only to put their tails between their legs, when the poster boy abuser and bully asks them to back Moore is so gutless and lacks vision.

To those that say why now, why bring these up know, this has to be a politically motivated ploy of all made up accusations; I would say you probably don't know anyone who has gone through it at a younger age. I personally know three women who confided in me in their 40's that they were raped as teenagers or young women and not one brought accusations or charges due to the climate, the person involved and the crippling fear nobody would believe them.

It's common place for rape victims to become victims again, they are accused of dressing slutty, or by their actions (usually viewed from a man/pigs perspective) as asking for it and they are traumatized once again. One of these women was and is still to this day scared for life and will never recover due to the circumstances.

The fact that these victims are suddenly now coming forward has much to do with their feeling of community, this metoo movement seems to have empowered women who might not have spoken out, to shed the dark cloud hanging over them for decades. Are there some false accusations out their, there probably are a small percentage, as there would be for any accusations of wrong doing. I believe the majority and while I can't speak for others, any serious accusations on either side of the isle should be looked into and dealt with.

Looking back in the rear view mirror to attempt to judge today's actions based on past presidents, congressmen or senators makes no sense IMHO. Everyone used to own slaves, we grew up and decided that wasn't right and had a civil war over it. It wasn't all that long ago women weren't able to vote, we grew up and changed that. Wasn't long ago it was back of the buss for anyone of color, again we as a society have evolved. Times change and what might have been acceptable in the good old days for our fathers or our grandfathers, just isn't today.

Good strong men of character likely didn't abuse 40 years ago, 20 years ago or ten years from now; those that do shouldn't be elected officials. It was wrong for Ted Kennedy, wrong for Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby and the fact we have a president who likely would fit right into that fraternity is a sad state of the nation.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Men of character don't need to bully their way to the top and even if in the back of their minds they still believe men to be superior to women; they would never sexually harass, inappropriately touch or even consider raping a woman. I think any man who can beat a women or child, sexually harass or go so far as rape a woman; are cowards and not men at all.

Shame on either the left or right for contributing to this inappropriate behavior and double shame on those willing to stand by and say nothing or even promote a known abuser to a position where he can do more harm. To see the GOP do the right thing initially by not backing Moore, only to put their tails between their legs, when the poster boy abuser and bully asks them to back Moore is so gutless and lacks vision.

To those that say why now, why bring these up know, this has to be a politically motivated ploy of all made up accusations; I would say you probably don't know anyone who has gone through it at a younger age. I personally know three women who confided in me in their 40's that they were raped as teenagers or young women and not one brought accusations or charges due to the climate, the person involved and the crippling fear nobody would believe them.

It's common place for rape victims to become victims again, they are accused of dressing slutty, or by their actions (usually viewed from a man/pigs perspective) as asking for it and they are traumatized once again. One of these women was and is still to this day scared for life and will never recover due to the circumstances.

The fact that these victims are suddenly now coming forward has much to do with their feeling of community, this metoo movement seems to have empowered women who might not have spoken out, to shed the dark cloud hanging over them for decades. Are there some false accusations out their, there probably are a small percentage, as there would be for any accusations of wrong doing. I believe the majority and while I can't speak for others, any serious accusations on either side of the isle should be looked into and dealt with.

Looking back in the rear view mirror to attempt to judge today's actions based on past presidents, congressmen or senators makes no sense IMHO. Everyone used to own slaves, we grew up and decided that wasn't right and had a civil war over it. It wasn't all that long ago women weren't able to vote, we grew up and changed that. Wasn't long ago it was back of the buss for anyone of color, again we as a society have evolved. Times change and what might have been acceptable in the good old days for our fathers or our grandfathers, just isn't today.

Good strong men of character likely didn't abuse 40 years ago, 20 years ago or ten years from now; those that do shouldn't be elected officials. It was wrong for Ted Kennedy, wrong for Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby and the fact we have a president who likely would fit right into that fraternity is a sad state of the nation.

I don't see a strong connection between sexual morality and preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States. Several whom you would call sexually disreputable have done a good job of protecting that Constitution. In my opinion, Trump is doing a better job of that than most of the recent Presidents, better than even the supposedly morally pure Jimmy Carter.

And, even so, Trump's sexual vulgarity seems to be overblown. It seems that he did not advance further than he was allowed after some initial attempt. If that is morally repugnant, than most men are. And that probably applies to most politicians.

Would you rather have a sexually pure Mike Spence as President, pushing for policies with which you disagree, or the run of the mill morally tepid politician who helps to politically get done what you approve of and desire?

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And, even so, Trump's sexual vulgarity seems to be overblown.

I'm going to just set with this...good lord.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm going to just set with this...good lord.

As usual, you got nothin.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm going to just set with this...good lord.

Go cry a river
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't see a strong connection between sexual morality and preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States. Several whom you would call sexually disreputable have done a good job of protecting that Constitution. In my opinion, Trump is doing a better job of that than most of the recent Presidents, better than even the supposedly morally pure Jimmy Carter.

And, even so, Trump's sexual vulgarity seems to be overblown. It seems that he did not advance further than he was allowed after some initial attempt. If that is morally repugnant, than most men are. And that probably applies to most politicians.

Would you rather have a sexually pure Mike Spence as President, pushing for policies with which you disagree, or the run of the mill morally tepid politician who helps to politically get done what you approve of and desire?

I won't argue the validity of Trumps accusations, other than to say I think he's established a pattern that has been well documented and on tape. Go play any of his interviews with Howard Stern and others.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks and even admits on tape to being a duck; well I'm pretty sure it's a duck. Money and power will buy a lot of silence and doubt; I however have little doubt.....he's a bully, probably guilty of several counts of sexual abuse, we know of three rape accusations; at the least I'm convince he is a pig.

I'll give him praise for stiffening the boarders and slowing immigration by potential terrorists, I do however think he has done a piss pour job of protecting American from what I see as the largest threat to our way of life since 2011. Today what is the first thing Trump does before checking on anything of importance, he picks up the phone to call his buddy Putin to thank him for the high praise he gave Trump. Putin is playing him for the fool he his and all the while Trump does nothing to prepare us for future attacks by Russia.

Then he and his private political news outlet Fox attack the FBI and in intelligence community, the very people entrusted to protect us from the never ending cyber attacks that Russia has and continues to throw our way. Anyone even thinking of giving him intel that proves just that, just gets his big fat ego all upset, because it brings into question the validity of his election success. Dealing with him with intelligence information that involves Russia, must be like going ice fishing with only 2-3" of black ice. You think you might be safe, but say the wrong thing and upset the ego of the big child and the ice might break and your fired.

Sorry I'm not buying into your assessment of his performance to date.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sorry I'm not buying into your assessment of his performance to date.

I didn't think you would. But that would be the important discussion. This sudden outbreak of sexual accusations are ploys to regain power for the Dems. It doesn't impress me as a reason to vote for who I think will transform this country into something far worse than having lotharios in Congress.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

a sexually pure Mike Spence

that was great

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Men of character don't need to bully their way to the top and even if in the back of their minds they still believe men to be superior to women; they would never sexually harass, inappropriately touch or even consider raping a woman. I think any man who can beat a women or child, sexually harass or go so far as rape a woman; are cowards and not men at all.

Shame on either the left or right for contributing to this inappropriate behavior and double shame on those willing to stand by and say nothing or even promote a known abuser to a position where he can do more harm. To see the GOP do the right thing initially by not backing Moore, only to put their tails between their legs, when the poster boy abuser and bully asks them to back Moore is so gutless and lacks vision.

To those that say why now, why bring these up know, this has to be a politically motivated ploy of all made up accusations; I would say you probably don't know anyone who has gone through it at a younger age. I personally know three women who confided in me in their 40's that they were raped as teenagers or young women and not one brought accusations or charges due to the climate, the person involved and the crippling fear nobody would believe them.

It's common place for rape victims to become victims again, they are accused of dressing slutty, or by their actions (usually viewed from a man/pigs perspective) as asking for it and they are traumatized once again. One of these women was and is still to this day scared for life and will never recover due to the circumstances.

The fact that these victims are suddenly now coming forward has much to do with their feeling of community, this metoo movement seems to have empowered women who might not have spoken out, to shed the dark cloud hanging over them for decades. Are there some false accusations out their, there probably are a small percentage, as there would be for any accusations of wrong doing. I believe the majority and while I can't speak for others, any serious accusations on either side of the isle should be looked into and dealt with.

Looking back in the rear view mirror to attempt to judge today's actions based on past presidents, congressmen or senators makes no sense IMHO. Everyone used to own slaves, we grew up and decided that wasn't right and had a civil war over it. It wasn't all that long ago women weren't able to vote, we grew up and changed that. Wasn't long ago it was back of the buss for anyone of color, again we as a society have evolved. Times change and what might have been acceptable in the good old days for our fathers or our grandfathers, just isn't today.

Good strong men of character likely didn't abuse 40 years ago, 20 years ago or ten years from now; those that do shouldn't be elected officials. It was wrong for Ted Kennedy, wrong for Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby and the fact we have a president who likely would fit right into that fraternity is a sad state of the nation.

I agree with much of this, but of course the current liberal concern about sexual harassment is politically motivated. If Hilary had won, the libs would still have a vested interest in protecting her, and I promise we would not be having this conversation. This is only happening because the kennedysbwith double digit IQs are all gone, and the clintons outlived their usefulness, and because of trump.

I don’t like the idea of punishing anyone based on accusations. Investigate trump, if he committed a crime make him face the consequences for once. If Lisa Bloom was trying to help accusers get rich for making accusations, that tarnished the credibility of the accusers. Right or wrong, it does.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

He is so snarky I usually just ignore him.

I love you too

[Sea Dangles]

Guys,it's enough. At least when presented with the accusations,the right leaning state of Alabama decide they would turn their back on Moore. The left wants to point to the fact that some folks still voted for him as evidence of moral bankruptcy. Ted Kennedy leaves a girl in a submerged vehicle to die while his pregnant wife is home and the left gives him his job back for decades to come.....please show some pride and let it go. If people really wanted to go back in time then they could easily point out the party voting disparities when Lincoln was trying to free slaves and provide them with basic human rights. Those numbers are nothing but ugly but that was a long time ago. 20 years is nothing but a heartbeat in history and will take time to heal.
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[Jim in CT]

Wdmso, as recently as the fall of 2016, most liberals wouldn’t dare to criticize the clintons or the kennedys. Yes, the underlying acts were old, but up until last year, even militant liberal feminists like Gloria Allred defended the clintons and the kennedys. Up until last year, liberals very clearly put party politics ahead of women’s rights, so let’s stop acting like the practice ended decades ago. And if Hilary hadn’t lost, there would not be this fervor about outing abusers of women, and that’s fact. It wasn’t until Hilary lost that the DNC and the media decided that sexual harassment was bad. I’m supposed to believe that’s a coincidence?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Still don't. I've spent plenty of time there. Down south in general...have a pretty good read on things.

Sometimes you do, sometimes you think you do. But most people down that way that I know, many good people BTW, would take umbrage to when someone responds to something with "Have you ever been to Alabama?"

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The assaults by Clinton and Kennedy took place decades ago, yes. But the willingness of democrat leaders to ignore thisebtransgressions contnued right up until election night of 2016, when the gop elected a reptile and the clintons simultaneously became of zero value. In that second, liberals claimed to care about perversion. If Hilary had won, we would not be having this conversation.

Let’s investigate the claims of trumps accusers. If he did any of it, then we should deal with it, but not until then. I fail to see how that is unfair.
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How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies? How do you handle allegations that are personally or politically motivated? Unfortunately these allegations on a politician must be proven but if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Up until last year, liberals very clearly put party politics ahead of women’s rights, so let’s stop acting like the practice ended decades ago.
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How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Sometimes you do, sometimes you think you do. But most people down that way that I know, many good people BTW, would take umbrage to when someone responds to something with "Have you ever been to Alabama?"



How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies? How do you handle allegations that are personally or politically motivated? Unfortunately these allegations on a politician must be proven but if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails.





How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power?

"How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies?"
You don't. You can't. You can't prove guilt or innocence, which is why our country can boast the presumption of innocence. I say if all we have is accusations, let the election proceed, no one should be forced to back out. Then if an investigation/trial shows wrongdoing, they have to resign. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than incentivizing false accusations in every election..

"if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails."

Ugly, ugly business.

"How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power"

Now that the GOP elected a possible (likely) pervert as POTIS, and moreso now that the Clintons are suddenly expendable, the liberals and the media can crow about caring.

[Sea Dangles]

Thank you for proving my point
Comprehension and context escape you
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[wdmso]

You are the one who gives a free pass to scumbags in their own party, not me.


really ?? your to funny now your are just lying.. to deflect your obvious bias on any topic that involves democrats or when someone points out your conclusions are not based it facts or truth . you are a True Republican a 1 trick pony ..

your point is clear YOU took an incident from the the 90's and 60's then you attach Slut-shaming which became a thing in 2000 and applied to an argument in 2017 to attack only liberals with a spinkle of Trump to look not bias ..

Not sure if you know this Hillary isn't running for office and when she was where were you to bring up her slut shaming all i heard was emails and Benghazi why is that?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You are the one who gives a free pass to scumbags in their own party, not me.


really ?? your to funny now your are just lying.. to deflect your obvious bias on any topic that involves democrats or when someone points out your conclusions are not based it facts or truth . you are a True Republican a 1 trick pony ..

your point is clear YOU took an incident from the the 90's and 60's then you attach Slut-shaming which became a thing in 2000 and applied to an argument in 2017 to attack only liberals with a spinkle of Trump to look not bias ..

Not sure if you know this Hillary isn't running for office and when she was where were you to bring up her slut shaming all i heard was emails and Benghazi why is that?

It’s not an ancient incident, if as of yesterday, you are still saying that Hilary didn’t do anything wrong.

I’m nowhere near a gop drone - i suporybgay marriage and gun control, and I am opposed to the death penalty. And unlike you, I can point callnout scumbags on my side, and I want them OUT.
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[Sea Dangles]

I like when Wayne accuses Jim of being biased when it comes to his party. Like it's a bad thing that he would never consider.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I like when Wayne accuses Jim of being biased when it comes to his party. Like it's a bad thing that he would never consider.
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No there’s no way of knowing which way he leans, he’s right in the center.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

all theses women you say were assaulted have the same legal rights as the women who claimed Trump and Moore assaulted them.. the statute of limitations protect all of the accused equally public opinion is a separate matter

Moving the goal posts trick. I responded to your claim that Jim didn't live in the present because he compared the Dems lack of concern over Clinton's or Kennedy's sex predations to the way they are now supposedly so outraged over Trump's and Moore's (notice how the outrage over Moore has disappeared since he lost). And, for you somehow, "public opinion" (which is to a great extent molded by the press and by party affiliation) is to be the measuring stick for judging and comparing. So now, for you, because public opinion supposedly has died down over past Clinton and Kennedy transgressions they should no longer be relevant. But there is still, in the present, a "public opinion" regarding Kennedy and Clinton sex scandals. That hasn't gone away. And the comparison of the Dems lack of concern about those scandals to how they want to now use "outrage" to pursue and get rid of Trump (or any other Republican politician) is too obvious to ignore--unless the object is to restore Democrat Party power.

It is very convenient to say, oh well, statutes of limitations have expired, the Kennedy's have expired, all the countless politicians of the past who were sexually miscreant have expired, but NOW it's a new age. Trump has got to go. But wait. It's still the same old chit. But it's now the Dems who want to impeach and the Repubs who, sort of, don't.

So the "past" is still "present" it has not changed. And the women who suffered "past" Clinton, et al., sex "assaults" and are still alive will get no justice other than an acknowledgement that something should have been done, but, oh well, too late now. Can't remove the guys from office now that we should have then. See ya. Gotta move on and clear the deck of the bad guys today (like Trump and Moore for old supposed transgressions), even remove some Dems whose seats are in safe Dem territory. Today's a new day. Yeah, right.

and if Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton were running for office today (present) those issues would be front and center

Oh, would they now? Those issues were very much up front back when those guys ran for office. But the Dems preferred power to so-called morality. What? All the folks who voted for Clinton are dead now, or are suddenly turned "moral" now? All the politicians who supported Clinton and would not remove him from office then, now see the light? What? There has now been a moral awakening? Surrrre there is . . . And you know this, how? Notice how even many of those (including media types) who accuse Trump are themselves guilty of sexual misconduct. And how many more are but have not been exposed. We are talking humans with their human nature, not saints or angels. And we are talking power. Humans seeking power for its sake are several steps shy of morality. And I'm not seeing how that will change, especially in a world of moral relativity.

They were wrong the day they happen and still are . the idea that they are not and they were not punished .. is another conservative urban legend ! Ted Kennedy plead guilty.

Of sexual "assault"? Was he removed from office?

and the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, charging him with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice.

Was he removed from office?

so please spare me there was no "justice" for their actions ?

If you consider "justice" for those women assaulted by Clinton to be a Congressional slap on the wrist (for something secondarily being related to his assaults) and his continuing to remain in power and to get wealthier because of that power, and, as well, his wife who rubbed salt in the wounds inflicted by her husband, gaining power and wealth as well, if you consider that "justice," then what do you consider justice would be for Trump?

[Jim in CT]

And to the liberal apologists who say that there’s no use bringing up Bill Clinton because his abuse isn’t recent...when was Roy Moore accused of behaving inappropriately? I thought his alleged acts also occurred many years ago?

Your hypocrisy has no bounds, and you have no shame. When outrage is so blatantly selective, it’s also fake.

We need One set of rules/standards applied to both parties. Is that really beyond our grasp? Shame on us if it is.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And to the liberal apologists who say that there’s no use bringing up Bill Clinton because his abuse isn’t recent...when was Roy Moore accused of behaving inappropriately? I thought his alleged acts also occurred many years ago?

Your hypocrisy has no bounds, and you have no shame.

We need One set of rules/standards applied to both parties. Is that really beyond our grasp? Shame on us if it is.
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So when are the cons. going to force Trump to resign or why hasn't he announced that he will not run for re-election? BC if those 2 things don't happen your hypocrisy has no bounds and you have no shame since the liberals have already done that.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So when are the cons. going to force Trump to resign or why hasn't he announced that he will not run for re-election? BC if those 2 things don't happen your hypocrisy has no bounds and you have no shame since the liberals have already done that.

That's the trick. Get rid of a couple of which won't hurt the party's power position, then use that as some supposed moral reason to ask the other party to lose key positions which will help your party's return to power. Like a chess game, give up a few pawns or castles to check mate the King. It's a BS trick and anyone who falls for it is a fool.