so juvenille

[RIJIMMY]

Come on, your THE PRESIDENT!

US President Barack Obama went head-to-head with a prominent conservative Tea Party activist, in a microcosm of a political clash that will play out in the 2012 election.

Ryan Rhodes, a leader of the group in Iowa, took on Obama during an open-air town hall meeting, which marked a moment of new intensity in the president's campaign for a second term.

Rhodes shouted out that the president's calls for more civility in politics had little chance of coming to pass after "your vice president is calling people like me, a Tea Party member, a 'terrorist.'"

His question referred to media reports that Vice President Joe Biden made such a remark in a private meeting with House of Representatives Democrats at the height of a debt showdown earlier this month.

"I absolutely agree that everybody needs to try to tone down the rhetoric," he said, before going on to detail some of the more explosive charges that conservatives have laid against him.

"In fairness, since I have been called a socialist who wasn't born in this country, who is destroying America and taking away its freedoms because I passed a health care bill, I am all for lowering the rhetoric."

Mr President, in fairness - in my 42 yrs on this planet I watched Chevy Chase, stumble and trip on himself mimicking Gerald Ford, watched countless comedians make fun of Reagan falling asleep, watched Dana Carvey make fun of GHW Bush, watched liberals drool over every mistake GWM ever made, blaming 9/11 on Cheney, bumperstickers, protests and everything else against Bush and NONE, NONE of them complained or retaliated. YOU AND ADMINISTRATION must be held to higher standards. Not the people. YOU must bring dignity to the office.
You've lived up to every concern, you're junior, inexperienced and a finger pointer. A college professor with very little leadership experience. It shows all the time

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

A college professor with very little leadership experience. It shows all the time

Ah, not a professor, a senior college instructor who taught part time.
Kinda what he's doing now as President

[spence]

This thread sucks.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

the president of the united states continues to act like a 5yr old and thats your comment?
he says - everyone stop the rhetoric and when rehotric from his camp is brought up he says, we'll yeah, look what you said about me.
I guess once again Spence , me with my state school education will tell you what the great orator should have said.

"Good point, I will not tolerate that kind of language coming from my adminstration. A lot of lousy things have been said about me, but we're better than that is this country and my team needs to lead by example"

Hows that???? WTF - any high school coach would have said that!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

"Good point, I will not tolerate that kind of language coming from my adminstration. A lot of lousy things have been said about me, but we're better than that is this country and my team needs to lead by example"

Hows that???? WTF - any high school coach would have said that!

"I absolutely agree that everybody needs to try to tone down the rhetoric" Is Biden included in everybody?

And, for the record, Fred Armesian (sp?) does a pretty good job of lampooning Obama on SNL as well

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

"I absolutely agree that everybody needs to try to tone down the rhetoric" Is Biden included in everybody?

And, for the record, Fred Armesian (sp?) does a pretty good job of lampooning Obama on SNL as well

leaders dont agree that everyone should do something, they do it.
come on Bry. you really cant defend this. Its been too much from him, I'd cut him some slack but its constant deflection and constant finger pointing for YEARS now. its juvenile

[PaulS]

And what were the comments yesterday by one of the Repub. front runners: "I think the greatest threat to our country right now is this president trying to spend his way out of this debt" I guess Perry thinks we got the terrorism and economy things fixed.

When reporters asked if he believes Obama doesn’t love America, Perry responded: “You need to ask him.”

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And what were the comments yesterday by one of the Repub. front runners: "I think the greatest threat to our country right now is this president trying to spend his way out of this debt" I guess Perry thinks we got the terrorism and economy things fixed.

When reporters asked if he believes Obama doesn’t love America, Perry responded: “You need to ask him.”

And he's wrong where??? The debt is our biggest threat, and it's derailing any hope of a better economy. Disrupting our economy has been the goal of terrorist.

Why is it so hard for Obama voters to admit they screwed up? Just say it and free yourself from all that bad Mojo

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

leaders dont agree that everyone should do something, they do it.
come on Bry. you really cant defend this. Its been too much from him, I'd cut him some slack but its constant deflection and constant finger pointing for YEARS now. its juvenile

You think it is finger pointing to say lets tone down the rhetoric and here are some examples of why?

it was also not confirmed Biden actually said that, (although he probably did run his mouth) so any direct comment towards that would acknowledge he did say it...

The difference is GWB had rove, cheney etc to call people out. I don't have a problem with these comments.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I'd cut him some slack but its constant deflection and constant finger pointing for YEARS now. its juvenile

Jim...try to be amused by him...it's much easier to cope with him...like a little child or a crazy uncle...

August 16, 2011
Obama to carmakers: Stop making so many products that people want!

Rick Moran

I don't truck with those who call Obama a commie, but by saying completely off the wall, totally ignorant stuff like this, he reminds me of factory managers in the old Soviet Union who would deliberately slow production on products that were popular because it created too much paperwork for them.

The Hill:

The country's automakers should ditch their focus on SUVs and trucks in favor of smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, President Obama said Monday.

"You can't just make money on SUVs and trucks," Obama said during a town hall forum in Cannon Falls, Minn. "There is a place for SUVs and trucks, but as gas prices keep on going up, you have got to understand the market. People are going to try to save money."

Obama has positioned the revival and reshaping of the auto industry as a major part of his administration's push to improve the economy and create jobs.

A man with zero business experience is telling carmakers that they've got to "understand the market?" The closest Obama ever got to a business was when he was picketing them back in his community organizing days.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

And he's wrong where??? The debt is our biggest threat, and it's derailing any hope of a better economy. Disrupting our economy has been the goal of terrorist.

Why is it so hard for Obama voters to admit they screwed up? Just say it and free yourself from all that bad Mojo

So, you also think that the pres. is a terrorist and doesn't love the country?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So, you also think that the pres. is a terrorist and doesn't love the country?

also?

[FishermanTim]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Ah, not a professor, a senior college instructor who taught part time.....

In the Liberal Arts department!

[Jim in CT]

Obama is an absolute joke who cannot even do a rope-line without making a horse's azz of himself. Presidents get heckled all the time, ansd every single one of them simply smiles and moves on...but not Obama. He follows this guy right down the rabbit hole, and not only that, the guy clobbers Obama during the exchange.

Everything Obama touches, EVERYTHING HE TOUCHES, turns to vomit. He cannot even get one right by accident, he is unbelievable. He simply cannot stand the fact that not everyone out there feels obligated to bow down and kiss his ring. He's an unbelievable thin-skinned baby who cannot take any little criticism.

Did we really elect this inexperienced, incompetent Bolshevik to be President? Really? Seriously?

[RIJIMMY]

yeah, I guess Im just being petty again,,,,,hey lets see what he said to my boy wolf at cnn

Peosta, Iowa (CNN) -- President Barack Obama placed the blame for Washington's current political paralysis squarely at the feet of his Republican opponents Tuesday, telling CNN that the GOP's "ideological rigidity" is standing in the way of compromises necessary for stronger economic growth.


"Ultimately, the buck stops with me. I'm going to be accountable," Obama said. But the president was quick to emphasize the "mess" he inherited from former President George W. Bush in 2009.

While admitting that politically popular entitlement programs such as Medicare are contributing to Washington's spiraling deficits, Obama refused to offer details about what he is willing to do to help control medical costs. He stressed the need to lower health care costs as a whole, as opposed to going along with GOP attempts to "voucherize" Medicare and leave more responsibility for health expenses in the hands of vulnerable seniors.

yawn........anyone surprised?

let get some quotes from Bush, etc. blaming everyone else for their problems. Anyone, anyone?

[spence]

Sorry, I've got run to BOS to catch a flight...but here's the first thing Google presented me...

Bush and Vice President #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney, in separate speeches Wednesday, both claimed the U.S. economy was already in recession when they were inaugurated in January 2001, implying the blame for the slowdown rested on President Clinton's shoulders.

The big difference of course is the Left was far less effective in placing the blame on Bush as the Right has been on painting it as Obama's recession.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Sorry, I've got run to BOS to catch a flight...but here's the first thing Google presented me...

Yes - first thing up on Google. August 7, 2002. After owning the WH for about 7 months. Obama stated the same about August 2009. I can certainly appreciate him saying that in 2009.

We are now 2.5+ in. Obama owns the economy now.

We need his leadership and that of Congress. We are not getting our $$ worth. From any of them. Though at least the Tea Party is forcing the conversation.

Originally Posted by spence

The big difference of course is the Left was far less effective in placing the blame on Bush as the Right has been on painting it as Obama's recession.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Sorry, I've got run to BOS to catch a flight...but here's the first thing Google presented me...



The big difference of course is the Left was far less effective in placing the blame on Bush as the Right has been on painting it as Obama's recession.

-spence

What?!! Did Bush or Cheney Blame the previous administration for the recession? They claimed, correctly, that the economy was already in recession when they were inaugurated in January (and were not able to take office till several months later due to Gore's challenge), but they did not place the blame on Clinton. THAT'S the "big difference." Obama doesn't just say he "inherited" his recession, which is implying more than simply saying the economy was already in recession when he was inaugurated. Not only does it "imply" that the previous administration was responsible, he has said over, and over again, that the Bush administration was responsible.

And the left was far less effective in placing the blame on Bush? Come on already, Spence! They successfully and continuously pounded him for growing the deficit and evaporating the so-called (but fictitious) budget surplus. The only reason he was re-elected was the sap he ran against. The left has successfuly hammered him on the "Bush War," on "tax cuts for the rich," on his inability to speak well and lack of "gravitas," and many etceteras. Obama basically ran against the image of Bush that the left had painted. And O is still running against Bush--still blaming him for the mess he "inherited."

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So, you also think that the pres. is a terrorist and doesn't love the country?

I think he loves himself.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What?!! Did Bush or Cheney Blame the previous administration for the recession? They claimed, correctly, that the economy was already in recession when they were inaugurated in January (and were not able to take office till several months later duexactly

I.e.e to Gore's challenge), but they did not place the blame on Clinton. THAT'S the "big difference." Obama doesn't just say he "inherited" his recession, which is implying more than simply saying the economy was already in recession when he was inaugurated. Not only does it "imply" that the previous administration was responsible, he has said over, and over again, that the Bush administration was responsible.

And the left was far less effective in placing the blame on Bush? Come on already, Spence! They successfully and continuously pounded him for growing the deficit and evaporating the so-called (but fictitious) budget surplus. The only reason he was re-elected was the sap he ran against. The left has successfuly hammered him on the "Bush War," on "tax cuts for the rich," on his inability to speak well and lack of "gravitas," and many etceteras. Obama basically ran against the image of Bush that the left had painted. And O is still running against Bush--still blaming him for the mess he "inherited."

Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

I think he loves himself.

so what is wrong with that - I do it

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by PaulS

so what is wrong with that - I do it

As long as it involves anne hathaway

[Duke41]

Bush Sucks. Now that I got that out of the way. Obama did inherit a huge mess and is trying to fix it and yes the Repulbicans are stone walling him at every turn to the determent of the entire economy, which they would gladly destroy to get a Rebublican president. Clinton find a way to deal with these #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& Republicans and if Obama can't figure it out he does not deserve to get relelected period. And if you disagree with me then more than likley you never finished high school or dropped out of college or work with you hands and not your mind. The Repblicans have never done a single thing for the working class and yet those idiots yearn for them to be in power. Just a sad joke.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Bush Sucks. Now that I got that out of the way. Obama did inherit a huge mess and is trying to fix it and yes the Repulbicans are stone walling him at every turn to the determent of the entire economy, which they would gladly destroy to get a Rebublican president.

Ya, and he also inherited the House and Senate under his party's control
and did nothing but spend $$$$.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Duke41

. The Repblicans have never done a single thing for the working class and yet those idiots yearn for them to be in power. Just a sad joke.

Bush cut the middle classes taxes, significantly

i wont bother to add more

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Bush Sucks. Now that I got that out of the way. Obama did inherit a huge mess and is trying to fix it and yes the Repulbicans are stone walling him at every turn to the determent of the entire economy, which they would gladly destroy to get a Rebublican president. Clinton find a way to deal with these #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& Republicans and if Obama can't figure it out he does not deserve to get relelected period. And if you disagree with me then more than likley you never finished high school or dropped out of college or work with you hands and not your mind. The Repblicans have never done a single thing for the working class and yet those idiots yearn for them to be in power. Just a sad joke.

I can't say much...I work with my hands.
You clearly represent the views of a better class of people. Well done.

[Duke41]

Sorry Guys I just felt like stiring up some #^&#^&#^&#^&.. I retract the working with your hand #^&#^&#^&#^& ... I am a level 80 Douche Lord at times.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Bush Sucks. Now that I got that out of the way. Obama did inherit a huge mess and is trying to fix it .

Here's how I remember recent history. Obama, Biden, and Clinton were all sitting US Senators in the Democratic party before Obama became president. That party, the Democratic party, took control of Congress in 2006. AT that time, what the Democrats "inherited" was a thriving, robust, economy.

We don't live in a dictatorship. The legislative branch sets the legislative agenda. The Democrats controlled the legislature from 2006 until 2010. Look where the stock market, and unemployment, were when the Democrats took control in 2006.

The Democrats controlled the white house, the house of reps, and the Senate from 2008-2010. Did things get better, or worse, during that time?

Try making that wrong.

[justplugit]

What short memories we have, the politicians, their cronies, and Lib pundits
all depend on that fact.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What?!! Did Bush or Cheney Blame the previous administration for the recession? They claimed, correctly, that the economy was already in recession when they were inaugurated in January (and were not able to take office till several months later due to Gore's challenge), but they did not place the blame on Clinton. THAT'S the "big difference." Obama doesn't just say he "inherited" his recession, which is implying more than simply saying the economy was already in recession when he was inaugurated. Not only does it "imply" that the previous administration was responsible, he has said over, and over again, that the Bush administration was responsible.

The context for my response was an assertion by RIJIMMY that Bush never blamed anyone else for his problems. From terrorism to the recession he certainly did place the root of the problem on the shoulders of others quite frequently.

As for Obama claiming it was republican policies that caused the 2008 recession...what I've Obama most commonly talking about the issues he's "inherited". He certainly has blamed Bush policy (tax cuts, deregulation, war spending etc...) at times...and on paper these all were major factors in the reversal from a surplus to a deficit. So it's a bit of rhetoric for sure, but not entirely untrue.

And the left was far less effective in placing the blame on Bush? Come on already, Spence! They successfully and continuously pounded him for growing the deficit and evaporating the so-called (but fictitious) budget surplus. The only reason he was re-elected was the sap he ran against. The left has successfuly hammered him on the "Bush War," on "tax cuts for the rich," on his inability to speak well and lack of "gravitas," and many etceteras. Obama basically ran against the image of Bush that the left had painted. And O is still running against Bush--still blaming him for the mess he "inherited."

On Bush turning the surplus into a deficit - this message held well with the left, but I think most people factor in the short duration, terrorist attacks and corporate scandals and Bush isn't in the hot seat with the majority. It's certainly hasn't had a lasting effect.

On the Bush war - yes, he's been pounded on this but the majority of the country believes they were "marketed" into Iraq. While I have no doubt Bush personally thought he was doing the right thing...I do think his lumps are well deserved here.

The big difference is the lengths the Right has gone to frame the entire economic situation (recession and deficits) around liberals and spending which has been very effective. People here post stories about Obama's 2009 1.6 trillion dollar stimulus package and they don't even notice what's going on.

I don't think the left has a marketing engine that's 1/2 as effective.

-spence