Palin? The race is over, all hail Pres Obama

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Stick a fork in the Republicans, like I said earlier, Mondale/Ferraro

Yup.....McCain is an inept candidate challenging a wildly popular incumbent.

Do you really think that it was Ferraro who caused Mondale to lose?

[saltfly]

wait till the media starts "digging" into her life.I hope there's not many ghosts.I can't wait for the debates.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by spence

McCain will be a single term president, he's too old.

And while I'm sure she will be put on the attack, she'd going to have to find some credibility somewhere to make any of it stick.

I completely disagree with Mike P. above on the debates. Biden is a good speaker with a library of anecdotes and analysis he can bring to bear.

She has a good life story for sure, but at the end of the day she'll just be spinning rehearsed talking points.

-spence

Biden is a rambling speaker who can't stay on point, assuming he ever gets to the point. He's infamous for it.

Biden can't even hold an audience in the Iowa Democratic caucuses.

[Joe]

I bet they were on the fence with a couple of people then decided they needed more star-power.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Yup.....McCain is an inept candidate challenging a wildly popular incumbent.

Do you really think that it was Ferraro who caused Mondale to lose?

No I don't think that, however Mondale and Ferraro did not stand a chance, I think she was nominated for the VP as a token gesture not as an attempt to beat Reagan

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Biden is a rambling speaker who can't stay on point, assuming he ever gets to the point. He's infamous for it.

Biden can't even hold an audience in the Iowa Democratic caucuses.

Well, I said good and not great

This isn't a Senate hearing where the point is to make your statement rather than ask questions. The debates don't give you much opportunity to be long winded.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

agian.. desperate people make desperate decisions.

Like voting for a 148 day wonder?

My initial reaction was disappointment but the more I learn about her I'm seeing this as an extremely shrewd political maneuver. There's a whole lot of disenfranchised cougars out there who are already applauding the choice. 80% bi-partisan support in her state. Neither JM or BHO can make that claim.

[MAC]

I think the Obama crowd is a little scared right now. He should have grabbed Hillary when he had the chance. Personally I don't see Biden doing much for him.

Obama talks about CHANGE...... Biden has been in DC for what, 30 years ? That to me sounds like same old, same old.... to me. Not change.....

And on the debates; I think Biden will get chewed up. A heckler would probably drive him nuts and totally off topic.


Like Swimmer pointed out though. The main race is between Obama and John McCain. Hopefully the Reps. smoke em.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, I said good and not great

This isn't a Senate hearing where the point is to make your statement rather than ask questions. The debates don't give you much opportunity to be long winded.

-spence

I plagiarized this verbatim from a post on another website, which pretty much sums it up:

Against Ramblin' Joe? You may be surprised.

1.Biden is terrible off the prompter - a legend on Capitol Hill.
2. He can't hit her too hard because she's a chick. Hillary used this to her advantage countless times in debates.
3. Expectations will be lower for her so all she has to do is stay even.
4. We don't know yet how good she is in a debate. She may be a killer.
5. VP debates don't win elections. Dan Quayle was OWNED by Lloyd Bentsen but Dukakis still had to drive his tank back to Taxachusetts afer the election, didn't he?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Her Kids have weird names

Track, Bristol., Willow, Piper, and Trig

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I plagiarized this verbatim from a post on another website, which pretty much sums it up:

Against Ramblin' Joe? You may be surprised.

1.Biden is terrible off the prompter - a legend on Capitol Hill.
2. He can't hit her too hard because she's a chick. Hillary used this to her advantage countless times in debates.
3. Expectations will be lower for her so all she has to do is stay even.
4. We don't know yet how good she is in a debate. She may be a killer.
5. VP debates don't win elections. Dan Quayle was OWNED by Lloyd Bentsen but Dukakis still had to drive his tank back to Taxachusetts afer the election, didn't he?

I think #'s 4 and 5 will be the most important. My expectation is that she's bright and quick and this will help her hold her own. Expectations for Bush were low and he was able to stumble through, even though Kerry killed him in all three.

But I really can't see her chewing Biden up, and I think he's a better speaker than you're giving him credit for.

Time will tell...

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

There's a whole lot of disenfranchised cougars out there who are already applauding the choice. 80% bi-partisan support in her state. Neither JM or BHO can make that claim.

Yea, amazing that the people who voted her into office, in a very red state, would support her as VP

-spence

[JoeP]

Haven't been in here for a while because I haven't been overly excited about my Republican Party's actions the past couple years...

But picking Sarah Palin is a Home Run!! on all fronts. Too many positives to list here. Just a great pick...

I already thought that the almighty chosen one Obama could not win the electoral college in November - but I think picking VP Palin really puts it over the edge.

You can see it already that since about 11:00AM today the mighty Obama's speech from atop his tower last night has already been wiped out of the headlines by Palin. It's amazing the amount of positive energy this pick of Palin has generated in 12 hours.

And remember one thing about Biden. As quick/sharp as he may be his main "trait" is his annoying condescending and arrogant tone in his comments. He pulls that stuff against Sarah Palin in a debate and he'll immediately be cast as the evil ogre attacking the lovely VP female candidate... Remember Gore rolling his eyes...that went over really well.

[tynan19]

Here is a better one.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JoeP

And remember one thing about Biden. As quick/sharp as he may be his main "trait" is his annoying condescending and arrogant tone in his comments. He pulls that stuff against Sarah Palin in a debate and he'll immediately be cast as the evil ogre attacking the lovely VP female candidate... Remember Gore rolling his eyes...that went over really well.

I think this could cut both ways, sure he could be seen as a bully...on the other hand many voters would see her as not up to the fight.

Because she's an attractive woman people may apply a higher standard.

-spence

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by spence

I think this could cut both ways, sure he could be seen as a bully...on the other hand many voters would see her as not up to the fight.

Because she's an attractive woman people may apply a higher standard.

-spence

Nah - the only ones who would have that opinion are the liberal elites already in Obama's camp. The centrist soccer-mom types and conservaties would take offense to Biden for that. Of course those same liberals who would take Biden's side against Palin would be the same to attack a Republican for doing the same to Hillary Clinton if the roles were reversed...

[spence]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Nah - the only ones who would have that opinion are the liberal elites already in Obama's camp. The centrist soccer-mom types and conservaties would take offense to Biden for that. Of course those same liberals who would take Biden's side against Palin would be the same to attack a Republican for doing the same to Hillary Clinton if the roles were reversed...

I think you're trying a little too hard to spin like a pundit here

Hillary is a battle axe, I don't buy the notion that you have to give her a pass for being a woman.

Palin is being sold as if she's a Repub cut from the same stuff. If so she'll have to earn her respect or be made a fool. My guess is that she's got some substance, but people are paying a lot more attention this time round.

-spence

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by tynan19

Here is a better one.

We need one with gurry on her glasses

Just watched part of the CNBC exclusive, she is actually very articulate. Don't know how much was setup but it was indeed an enlightening show.

NECN had PUMPAC.ORG leaning her way, their postion was that Hillary was denied the bid by election gerrymandering.

[fishsmith]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

My initial reaction was disappointment but the more I learn about her I'm seeing this as an extremely shrewd political maneuver.

Me thinks the same, . This move does take the wind out of DNC. My vote remains with McCain, I gots to shut up and listen more ...

as a side note, I am happy that Jay Severin didn't get his boy Mitt

[sokinwet]

Hey I'm a lifelong hunter and fisherman too and I don't know much about this woman yet; but so far I've read....creationist, believes global warming is a hoax, against a womans right to choose, not a hint of foreign policy experience, a short time removed from being Mayor of thriving "podunk" Alaska.... I'm jaded here..I work for local government ;-( ..., being investigated by special counsel in her own state for abuse of power...this certainly doesn't get any of the "Hillary" vote...and I dont care if she was pulling pots on "Deadliest Catch" and looks like J Lo, it sure as heck won't get mine either.

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're trying a little too hard to spin like a pundit here

Hillary is a battle axe, I don't buy the notion that you have to give her a pass for being a woman.

Palin is being sold as if she's a Repub cut from the same stuff. If so she'll have to earn her respect or be made a fool. My guess is that she's got some substance, but people are paying a lot more attention this time round.

-spence

Spence - noone spins more than you... And you're giving the average citizen way too much credit. You'll see - as soon as Biden pulls his arrogant crap with her it'll backfire.

And by the way - I firmly believe she is capable of going toe to toe with Biden - which she'll do hands down.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, amazing that the people who voted her into office, in a very red state, would support her as VP

-spence

The approval rating is for her job as Governor and has nothing to do with the vice presidency. Try to keep up.

[Nebe]

Sokinwet's got it right.

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Karl F

People will begin to look long and hard at Palin... because of McCain's age and health issues... & they really need to... she would be litteraly and figuratively a "heartbeat" away from the big desk.....

gonna be an interesting couple of months of listening to all the pundits... and trying to sift thru all the spoon fed

Let's call it the Gina Davis syndrome.
..and yep this is gonna get very interesting. She's gonna have to walk a very fine line, just being a woman. Wimp on one side, beyotch on the other. Sportsmen of a lesser IQ are gonna think that she's one of them. If the Rebuplican Party is endorsing her, especially McCain, then she's for more of the same. No thanks.

[Nebe]

correct me if I am wrong, but was it not Mccain who played adds asking something to the efffect of 'who do you want to answer the phone at 3 AM when there is a problem'... I can not see how she is a good choice as 2nd in command, but good god, look at who is in the chair now ..... hmmmm.....

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

correct me if I am wrong, but was it not Mccain who played adds asking something to the efffect of 'who do you want to answer the phone at 3 AM when there is a problem'... I can not see how she is a good choice as 2nd in command, but good god, look at who is in the chair now ..... hmmmm.....

What makes BHO better suited to answer that call?

[Joe]

That ad with the phonecall in the night was Hillary Clinton's - it was meant to highlight her experience over Obama's

[MAC]

Here is something I think a lot of people will relate to. She has been there and can relate to middle class America. Some how I can't see Obama or Biden like this unless the photo were staged.

[RIROCKHOUND]

So, I'm not quite the hippy that Eben is, but I agree with Sokinwet as well..

Palin:
Creationist (Seriously?)
believes global warming is a hoax
against a woman's right to choose


That there is far enough for me.
I don't care if she was the supreme ruler of Mars before hand. Leadership experience doesn't make up for the the fact that she is an uber-rightwinger.

Add on.
has been governor for less than two years
no foreign-policy experience

I think McCain had to go way right or towards the center with his pick. He went for the way right.
I'll always say, I like McCain, I respect McCain, I just disagree with his politics way too much to ever support him.


One quote I read on slate.com (I usually don't like 'opinions' from sites like that, bu I still read it, along with the WSJ)
"If Sara Palin is ready to be commander in chief, then so is Barack Obama"

[MAC]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

One quote I read on slate.com (I usually don't like 'opinions' from sites like that, bu I still read it, along with the WSJ)
"If Sara Palin is ready to be commander in chief, then so is Barack Obama"

LOL, Only problem with this analogy is Palin is in the running for VP, not Pres.