Bidens approval at all time low in Quinnipiac poll

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

a number of reason. Their politics align better w/other states, weather, family, tax, etc.

you can’t criticize your side or praise the other side. never.

if it’s weather, why aren’t they moving to southern CA Paul?

waiting for you to tell me what i get in CT that i wouldn’t get in NH?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you can’t criticize your side or praise the other side. never.

if it’s weather, why aren’t they moving to southern CA Paul?

waiting for you to tell me what i get in CT that i wouldn’t get in NH?
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Why are we talking about New Hampshire now? I don't know enough about New Hampshire to answer your question. Maybe you could answer this question why does it seem the majority of red States do so much worse than the majority of blue States on almost every economic and social question?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why are we talking about New Hampshire now? I don't know enough about New Hampshire to answer your question. Maybe you could answer this question why does it seem the majority of red States do so much worse than the majority of blue States on almost every economic and social question?
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"Why are we talking about New Hampshire now?"

It's one example of a state that has super low taxes, yet productive people are moving there in huge numbers. MAYBE there is something other states can learn from, about how they pulled that off. I think it's impressive when a state can cost a lot less than other states, yet still offer a quality of life good enough, that people want to live there. I think it's worth discussing. It's telling that none of you wants to spend one syllable on that conversation.

"why does it seem the majority of red States do so much worse than the majority of blue States on almost every economic and social question?"

Sure, even though you dodge my questions, I'll answer yours. Rich people tend to live in blue states, and they drive up certain metrics. That doesn't mean that the state is the reason behind it.

CT has very high average incomes. I think that has very little to do with anything the state does, and has everything to do with the fact that southwestern CT is a beautiful coastal area that's close to Manhattan. But again, the state of CT is doing something to make rich people want to live here. As we will learn in the next 20 years when our unfunded debt of $62,500 per taxpayer becomes due, you can't run a whole state on the backs of hedge fund managers. There aren't enough of them, and they can leave very easily when they want to.

Paul, what do you think happens to CT when enough Baby Boomers retire that we need to write pension checks that we can't fund? The unfunded debt might be as high as $62,500 for every single taxpayer. That's what's needed to pay for the promises the state made. Where are we going to gat that money?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Why are we talking about New Hampshire now?"

It's one example of a state that has super low taxes, yet productive people are moving there in huge numbers. MAYBE there is something other states can learn from, about how they pulled that off. I think it's impressive when a state can cost a lot less than other states, yet still offer a quality of life good enough, that people want to live there. I think it's worth discussing. It's telling that none of you wants to spend one syllable on that conversation. There might be things other states can learn but the fact is that of all the states that don't have income tax you want to talk about 1 (NH). Instead we have numerous studies of 52 states (group as a whole) which show that on average the blue states are better in most statistics. So while it makes sense to look at 1 or 2 states, those are outliers and are prob. not indicative of the full population. That is why you want to talk about an outlier but the stats show that on average the blue states are better than the red states.

"why does it seem the majority of red States do so much worse than the majority of blue States on almost every economic and social question?"

Sure, even though you dodge my questions, I'll answer yours. Rich people tend to live in blue states, and they drive up certain metrics. That doesn't mean that the state is the reason behind it. Well what is the reason then that attracts rich people who can live anywhere but make the decision to live in blue states?
We have numerous studies of 52 state with numerous differnt stats and the majority (all?) seem to show on average the blue states are better.

CT has very high average incomes. I think that has very little to do with anything the state doesI disagree, and has everything to do with the fact that southwestern CT is a beautiful coastal area that's close to Manhattantrue. But again, the state of CT is doing something to make rich people want to live heretrue. As we will learn in the next 20 years when our unfunded debt of $62,500 per taxpayer becomes due, you can't run a whole state on the backs of hedge fund managers. There aren't enough of them, and they can leave very easily when they want to.

Paul, what do you think happens to CT when enough Baby Boomers retire that we need to write pension checks that we can't fund? The unfunded debt might be as high as $62,500 for every single taxpayer. That's what's needed to pay for the promises the state made. Where are we going to gat that money?

Not seeing #s that high. But if the fed. gov. limited the tax payment transfer to +-10% of taxes paid all that additional $ would stay in the blue states and over time would help wipe out that debt. The transfer are not obviously cash but includes payments to hospitals, rent, etc. Those all have a multiplier and add to the tax base. Kentucky gets 35% of their total tax rev. from the fed. government. I know it is an outlier and I said shouldn't be used as an example of the whole group but if those payments where less, Kent. would have a bigger defecit and have to cut back more services

[Pete F.]

Just give it time, the ferocious heatwave that is gripping much of the US south and west has highlighted an uncomfortable, ominous trend—people are continuing to flock to the cities that risk becoming unlivable due to the climate crisis.
Probably will want the blue states to federally fund AC for them but Texas won’t have the power to run them.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Not seeing #s that high. But if the fed. gov. limited the tax payment transfer to +-10% of taxes paid all that additional $ would stay in the blue states and over time would help wipe out that debt. The transfer are not obviously cash but includes payments to hospitals, rent, etc. Those all have a multiplier and add to the tax base. Kentucky gets 35% of their total tax rev. from the fed. government. I know it is an outlier and I said shouldn't be used as an example of the whole group but if those payments where less, Kent. would have a bigger defecit and have to cut back more services

"Not seeing #s that high."

I posted it.

https://yankeeinstitute.org/2021/09/...ing-to-report/

Let's say it's half that, Paul. Let's say it's $30,000 for every taxpayer. Where does that money come from?

As to your posts about tax shifts. Blue states, with higher state and local taxes, have given their residents a big break on federal income taxes, that people in red states don't get. Here's what I mean...Let's say you live in CT, I live in NH, and our financial picture is exactly the same. On federal income taxes, you've always enjoyed a big deduction in your federal taxes (which I don't get) because you pay high state taxes. Why should you pay lower federal taxes than me, just because you live in a blue state? That federal income tax deduction existed for decades, and it was BIG. Trump did away with much of it with the 10k SALT cap.

So any discussion of how unfair tax transfer from blue to red states is, must include a big adjustment for the historical benefit that residents of blue states enjoyed forever, until very recently.

In any event, that's not why CT is in serious financial trouble. We're in trouble for a very simple reason, we spent an absurd amount of money, more than we can ever have.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just give it time, the ferocious heatwave that is gripping much of the US south and west has highlighted an uncomfortable, ominous trend—people are continuing to flock to the cities that risk becoming unlivable due to the climate crisis.
Probably will want the blue states to federally fund AC for them but Texas won’t have the power to run them.
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better crank up those solar panels and propellers...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

the blue states are better

you should put this on a tee shirt and sell it...

[PaulS]

All of the multiple links I saw have the per capita debt at like $11K. average family is 2.2 or so. Doesn't come up w/$65K per taxpayer.

So you want the fed to charge taxes on $ people don't have (the state has already received that $ due to state income taxes) ?

even with SALT, there is a huge transfer of $ from blue states to red states (in KY 35% of state GDP. If that was lowered it would have a huge impact over time and prob. flip the equation.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you should put this on a tee shirt and sell it...

is that satire?

Snarkiness is such a bad look.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

better crank up those solar panels and propellers...

Meanwhile in reality, Texas is the leading producer of wind power in the U.S. at 33 megawatts.

And the power problems in Texas have nothing to do with alternative energy, it's because of Abbott’s refusal to mandate grid weatherization.
Because socialism and freedum
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

All of the multiple links I saw have the per capita debt at like $11K. average family is 2.2 or so. Doesn't come up w/$65K per taxpayer.

So you want the fed to charge taxes on $ people don't have (the state has already received that $ due to state income taxes) ?

even with SALT, there is a huge transfer of $ from blue states to red states (in KY 35% of state GDP. If that was lowered it would have a huge impact over time and prob. flip the equation.

"So you want the fed to charge taxes on $ people don't have"

I don't get a federal income tax deduction for groceries, and that's money I no longer have. why should i get one because I choose to live in a high tax state? You use highways and rely on the US military the same way a NH resident does, but you pay less for those things because you live in CT. There's no way to defend that.

So let's be clear, you're not in favor of rich people giving money to poor people via taxes? I thought liberals were all about "spreading the wealth around".

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So let's be clear, you're not in favor of rich people giving money to poor people via taxes? I thought liberals were all about "spreading the wealth around".

LOL. Keep trying to state something I NEVER said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

LOL. Keep trying to state something I NEVER said.

Well, you keep saying (I think?) you have some quarrel with blue states (disproportionately made up of wealthy people) transferring money to red states (disproportionately made up of poor people).

You also have to adjust your numbers for where the biggest military bases and defense contractors are, which states have the most highways, etc...

If CT is being unfairly treated by the federal government, shouldn't our congressional delegation (100% democrats) try to fix that for us?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Well, you keep saying (I think?) you have some quarrel with blue states (disproportionately made up of wealthy people) transferring money to red states (disproportionately made up of poor people). I'm just pointing out the facts.
I'm glad you are finally admitting you agree there is a huge transfer of $.

You also have to adjust your numbers for where the biggest military bases and defense contractors are, which states have the most highways, etc...I don't have to adjust the #s - those facts are in it. But those all benefit those states by salaries, purchasing of things, etc. which all impact taxes.

If CT is being unfairly treated by the federal government, shouldn't our congressional delegation (100% democrats) try to fix that for us?

Most people recognize it and are willing to help the poorer states/areas. Just as you and I say thank you to someone who is helping us out/giving us something, it would be nice for those red states to show some appreciation.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Most people recognize it and are willing to help the poorer states/areas. Just as you and I say thank you to someone who is helping us out/giving us something, it would be nice for those red states to show some appreciation.

can’t argue with that.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

it would be nice for those red states to show some appreciation.

this is hilarious...how exactly would you like the red states to show their appreciation for you?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is hilarious...how exactly would you like the red states to show their appreciation for you?

by voting for liberals.
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[Pete F.]

Oh the poor victims
That awkward uncomfortable feeling you have is cognitive dissonance. It might make you feel verklempt. So just talk among yourselves. I'll give you a topic: "Trump played us all."
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in reality, Texas is the leading producer of wind power in the U.S. at 33 megawatts.


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ERCOT expects power usage will reach 77,544 megawatts on Tuesday, topping the grid's all-time high of 74,820 MW set in August 2019


July 20,2022 "When the wind ebbs, however, it’s an entirely different story. Take last week. Demand for power topped out at about 78 gigawatts. Yet, the grid operator had to beg residents and businesses to reduce power use because wind was sluggish."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...the-texas-grid

[scottw]

LAST NOVEMBER -The line they decided to feed the Washington Post was that things could not possibly get worse for Biden. They argued that his approval rating, which had just fallen to a record low of 42 percent while his disapproval rating hovered around 52.7 percent, had nowhere to go but up.

People “who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private conversions” told the Post that “many administration officials and allies contend that the state of affairs cannot get worse, thinking that Biden and the Democrats have hit their floor in negative approval ratings.”



On Thursday, Biden hit another new low, according to RealClearPolitics, averaging 36.8 percent approval and a 57.5 percent disapproval.

Since the day Biden officials claimed the president had hit his floor, his approval rating has declined 5.2 percentage points while his disapproval rating has grown 4.8 percentage points. Biden is now more unpopular than any other American president since the end of World War II.

A New York Times/Siena poll earlier this month pinned the number at a shockingly horrible 33 percent approval and 60 percent disapproval.



I think Brandon got Covid from his approval ratings.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

ERCOT expects power usage will reach 77,544 megawatts on Tuesday, topping the grid's all-time high of 74,820 MW set in August 2019


July 20,2022 "When the wind ebbs, however, it’s an entirely different story. Take last week. Demand for power topped out at about 78 gigawatts. Yet, the grid operator had to beg residents and businesses to reduce power use because wind was sluggish."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...the-texas-grid

Gigawatts are not equal to megawatts, but global warming is due to fossil fuels
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in reality, Texas is the leading producer of wind power in the U.S. at 33 megawatts.


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

ERCOT expects power usage will reach 77,544 megawatts on Tuesday, topping the grid's all-time high of 74,820 MW set in August 2019


July 20,2022 "When the wind ebbs, however, it’s an entirely different story. Take last week. Demand for power topped out at about 78 gigawatts. Yet, the grid operator had to beg residents and businesses to reduce power use because wind was sluggish."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...the-texas-grid

in a sane world, he’d concede you have a point. in this world, he’ll still
insist he’s right and you’re wrong.
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[wdmso]

Amazing to see the GOP sheep following their orders ! The usual suspects are attacking wind again... in a Red State who wanted an independent Grid and bult the wind farms

Texas has the largest % of wind then any other state

So why would texas with all its gas and oil resources depend on wind

Because they don't depend on wind their to cheap and profit driven to build in redundancy their system

While in total denial why it's so hot worldwide to begin with and why their grid is so vulnerable to extreme weather and of course

The Texas Interconnection is maintained as a separate grid for political, rather than technical reasons,

[Pete F.]

“We [Hungarians] are not a mixed race, and we do not want to become a mixed race either”

This was Viktor Orban at Baile Tusnad just now, tearing into Western Europeans for “mixing with non-Europeans”

To all the Orban-fans out there: *this* is what you’re supporting

Orban is scheduled to be the opening speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on August 4 in Dallas. Will any of the American speakers--who'll include many GOP presidential candidates--say a word objecting to this, let alone withdraw from the conference?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Amazing to see the GOP sheep following their orders ! The usual suspects are attacking wind again... in a Red State who wanted an independent Grid and bult the wind farms

Texas has the largest % of wind then any other state

So why would texas with all its gas and oil resources depend on wind

Because they don't depend on wind their to cheap and profit driven to build in redundancy their system

While in total denial why it's so hot worldwide to begin with and why their grid is so vulnerable to extreme weather and of course

The Texas Interconnection is maintained as a separate grid for political, rather than technical reasons,

you say texas is too cheap and profit driven to expand its wind. you said in the same breath that they use more wind than any other state. So why aren’t you even more critical
of all the other 49 states that use wind even less than TX does? aren’t those states even more cheap and profit driven than TX?

Talk about wanting to have it both ways.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“We [Hungarians] are not a mixed race, and we do not want to become a mixed race either”

This was Viktor Orban at Baile Tusnad just now, tearing into Western Europeans for “mixing with non-Europeans”

To all the Orban-fans out there: *this* is what you’re supporting

Orban is scheduled to be the opening speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on August 4 in Dallas. Will any of the American speakers--who'll include many GOP presidential candidates--say a word objecting to this, let alone withdraw from the conference?
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There might be 1 RINO who will do that but doubtfully more than that.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you say texas is too cheap and profit driven to expand its wind. you said in the same breath that they use more wind than any other state. So why aren’t you even more critical
of all the other 49 states that use wind even less than TX does? aren’t those states even more cheap and profit driven than TX?

Talk about wanting to have it both ways.
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Baloney as usual
Just because you have some doesn’t make you a leader.
Texas only produces 4% of its power from renewable sources.
They have improved about 5% over the past five years.
Other states range from .75% to 100%
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Baloney as usual
Just because you have some doesn’t make you a leader.
Texas only produces 4% of its power from renewable sources.
They have improved about 5% over the past five years.
Other states range from .75% to 100%
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wdmso said texas has the most. so every other state is doing worse. but they only state he calls out, is the state that buses wind the most, because it’s texas.

makes all kinds of sense.
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