Does anyone care about the debate tonight?

[RIJIMMY]

I see your liberal ethics shining through.

Not the case though for RIJImmy and spouse who work for people, get paid well and still have to sock away as much cash as possible in order to send kids to college, who will get penalized for grants/loans becasue their parents make $ and yet there parents are penalized becasue of their salaris and have to pay higher taxes! What incentive!

[likwid]

Shouldn't you in the proper right wing fashion be telling your kids to suck it up and pay their own way?

Hell, I wrote off lunch with Nebe!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

You just don't listen do you?
Thats ok.

I dont have to listen because I live it. My parents, no college education, yet sent me and my sister to college and still vacationed and lived good lives. How? Hard work? Govt assistance required? NONE!

Me, wife and I both work, bust are arses to get ahead and have succeded! My wife came to this country from India when se was 11, public schools, got a job working a bank shift at night to put herself through college, took her 8 years for an undergrad degree.
please tell me why I need to sacrfice for LAZY PEOPLE. We had no silver spoon, just a strong work ethic.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

Shouldn't you in the proper right wing fashion be telling your kids to suck it up and pay their own way?

Hell, I wrote off lunch with Nebe!

I think thats the liberal fashion. I take care of my own and THOUGHT about my obligations before reproducing.

[Nebe]

Jim, I suggest you start a consultation business. I have and write off $20 for every post on this forum.. ... not really.

[RIJIMMY]

Obamas pitch is that he is about Change and a Uniter. He really is just :anti-bush" whihc I cant blame the american public for supporting given Bush;s performance but look at this Interesting from factcheck.org.

Obama strained to portray himself as willing to break ranks with fellow Democrats. His prime example was his vote for a bill that was supported by 18 Democrats and opposed by 26. Congressional Quarterly rates him as voting with his party 97 percent of the time since becoming a U.S. senator.

Not much of a uniter and not one for independant thought.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I think thats the liberal fashion. I take care of my own and THOUGHT about my obligations before reproducing.

See, you're confused about liberalism.
Liberalism is pandering to people and giving them everything they want, just like you paying your children's college education.

Now make like a good righty and kick em out!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

See, you're confused about liberalism.
Liberalism is pandering to people and giving them everything they want, just like you paying your children's college education.

Now make like a good righty and kick em out!

then I couldnt claim them as dependants on my taxes.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I dont have to listen because I live it. My parents, no college education, yet sent me and my sister to college and still vacationed and lived good lives. How? Hard work? Govt assistance required? NONE!

Me, wife and I both work, bust are arses to get ahead and have succeded! My wife came to this country from India when se was 11, public schools, got a job working a bank shift at night to put herself through college, took her 8 years for an undergrad degree.
please tell me why I need to sacrfice for LAZY PEOPLE. We had no silver spoon, just a strong work ethic.

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

You are working to Hard Jim, slow up and smell the roses. You didn't hear? Weez gonna 'spread the wealth.'

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

OH MY GOD IT WAS SUCH A BLASTING!
MAN JUST NO REPLY COULD BE MADE IN RESPONSE!


WITTY RETORT BRAVO BRAVO

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

If he did that, he would win the election.

No, he would have just scored some points. Anybody who understands the Wright and Ayers issues have heard the story and already made up their minds. This would have been no knockout blow, not even close.

-spence

[striperman36]

No knockout blows last night.
Just grumpy old man whining.

Let's talk about the Keating Five for a while

[RIJIMMY]

did you guys see the latest McCain ad! Whoa, this is an attack, scroll down to view!

http://www.videovat.com/videos/971/c...ping-real.aspx

[striperman36]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smal...ion=2008101612

Fact check: Plumber Joe's taxes

McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama's plan.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Just listening to it now.

Would someone please tell McCain drilling now WILL NOT drop the price of oil in the short term!!

Please?!

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by likwid

OH MY GOD IT WAS SUCH A BLASTING!
MAN JUST NO REPLY COULD BE MADE IN RESPONSE!


WITTY RETORT BRAVO BRAVO

I just knocked hot tea all over my desk, laughing my ass off!!!!!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

Too much Dennis and Callahan, Bronko
You don't call her 'Our Sarah' do you?

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Too much Dennis and Callahan, Bronko
You don't call her 'Our Sarah' do you?

I do like D&C even though I can't stand Gerry Callahan. He gives conservatives a bad name. He is one of the biggest neo-cons I have ever heard.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Just your terms:
Moonbat is their favorite.

I f'ing hate that a sports station, during MLB playoffs is 90% politics in the morning.
if I click over and thats their topic, I switch it.
They are losing me as a listener, I'm sure I'm not alone...

ok, hijack over

[buckman]

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

[boot man]

Originally Posted by buckman

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

What was the deficit that Bush inherited? What is it now?

What was the deficit Bush I left Slick Willie?

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

Simple, if 95% of the people have more money they'll either:

1) Save it which will help solve our long-term credit addiction that's weakened our economy or

2) Spend it which will increase the revenues of businesses and increasing corporate tax revenues. With increased revenues business will be able to pay their employees more increasing individual tax revenues and invest for future growth.

Increased tax revenues can be used to pay down the defecit, assuming that spending is under control. This remains to be a giagantic problem regardless of who's in charge.

It's funny how for the GOP, more money in the pocket seems to be a good thing when it's the investor class, and a bad thing when it's the working class.

Trickle up and trickle down are not mutually exclusive.

-spence

[Nebe]

trickle up makes the rich nervous..

[Nebe]

[wader-dad]

[QUOTE=boot man;629343]What was the deficit that Bush inherited? What is it now?

This is the total nation debt growth. Those are trillions. More shocking when you add all the zeros

1999 5,656,000,000,000
2000 5,674,000,000,000
2005 7,933,000,000,000
2007 9,008,000,000,000
2008 10,024,700,000,000--estimated= already broke the national debt clock when it hit 10 trillion.

I thought that Republicans are fiscal conservatives and do not run up big deficits.

The following is admittedly from a Bill Clinton website in 1999 but the contrast is astounding:


President Clinton: The United States on Track to Pay Off the Debt by End of the Decade

December 28, 2000

Today, President Clinton will announce that The United States is on course to eliminate its public debt within the next decade. The Administration also announced that we are projected to pay down $237 billion in debt in 2001. Due in part to a strong economy and the President’s commitment to fiscal discipline, the federal fiscal condition has improved for an unprecedented nine consecutive years. Based upon today’s new economic and budget projections for the coming 10 years from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB):

The United States can be debt-free this decade. By dedicating the entire budget surplus to debt reduction, The United States can eliminate its publicly held debt by FY 2009. The next Administration and Congress will need to decide what priorities to address: eliminate the public debt by FY 2010 and still use part of the surplus for responsible tax cuts, prescription drug benefits for Medicare recipients, and investments in key priorities like education and health care.
The national debt is projected to be paid down by $237 billion this year. Under the budget President Clinton and Congress completed two weeks ago, the U.S. is projected to pay down $237 billion of the national debt in FY 2001.
The 4 year total debt paydown will be $600 billion. Over the last three years, we have already paid down $363 billion in debt. Therefore, The United States is on track to reduce the debt by $600 billion over four years, the largest four-year debt pay-down ever.
Record deficits have become record surpluses. This Administration has have moved the country from a deficit of $290 billion in FY 1992 to an expected surplus of $256 billion in FY 2001. Eight years ago, the Congressional Budget Office projected a $513 billion deficit in FY 2001. Thus, the fiscal picture is now projected to improve by $769 billion in FY 2001 alone.
Nine consecutive years of fiscal improvement. FY 2001 will be the fourth year in a row of overall surpluses and the second year in a row of a surplus without counting Social Security or Medicare. It will be the ninth consecutive year of fiscal improvement, the longest such period in history



Yeah I am afraid of those insane big spending Democrats.

If not for the blow jobs, Gore would have won and we would not be in this disaster. Fuc-k You Bill Clinton its all your fault.

[Nebe]

disgusting..

[buckman]

Look,(if I may open a statement like your hero) if you think you will see a penny of a tax break under Obama then you are a sucker. Haven't we learned anything about politicians. That is all he is, a politician with no firm beliefs or record to proof to me at least, who he is. Once again the same old " Bush this and Bush that". Give it a rest. I'm looking forward and worry about what kind of country my kids, will raise their kids in. I won't vote for Obama, he hasn't proofed to me that he will do whats best for them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Look,(if I may open a statement like your hero) if you think you will see a penny of a tax break under Obama then you are a sucker. Haven't we learned anything about politicians. That is all he is, a politician with no firm beliefs or record to proof to me at least, who he is. Once again the same old " Bush this and Bush that". Give it a rest. I'm looking forward and worry about what kind of country my kids, will raise their kids in. I won't vote for Obama, he hasn't proofed to me that he will do whats best for them.

Any so why is McCain any different?

-spence

[Nebe]

well it looks like we shall find out doesnt it

[wader-dad]

Sorry I am in the mood to get all of this off my chest.

If the US is a football team, we had a few losing years and this year is a total collapse- we are now 1-15 and are getting blown out in every game. Mr. Bush is the head coach and Mr. Cheney is assistant head coach. Mr. McCain is on the staff-there is no denying it. even if he is wide receiver coach or assistant in charge of quality control- he is on the coaching staff. So what happens in football when you are 1-15? Do you promote the wide receiver coach or linebacker coach that wants to run the same offense with a few new plays? Or do you bring in a new guy with a whole new coaching staff. In football - you bring in a whole new staff

Who would be on McCains's coaching staff and who would be on oBama's staff. The staff includes the Secretary of State and their entire staffs, Secretary of the Treasury and their staffs, Secretary of Defense and their staffs, Secretary of Energy and their staffs, Interior, DEP, Commerce, Attorney General, Justice Department, HUD, FBI, National Security Agency, SEC, Education,Supreme Court Justices. You don't just get a head coach and thats it. There are hundreds of assistant coaches that help run this country.

Is McCain going to replace all of these people that are loyal republicans? No. All of these advisors to Bush that gave him terrible advice and lead him into trouble will still be around and influencing McCain.

If Obama wins, he appoints his coaching staff. Even if people hate him- they don't think he is stupid. He is not stupid. I think that he would appoint smart people. Clinton appointed smart people. Smart people with fresh outlooks come up with the ideas to solve the problems. We need some new thinkers, new plans. The new plans won't be just a handout. Obama believes in family responsibility. We just can't continue being pissed off that unemployable people with no skills just sit on their asses. There is extreme poverty in this county that is a disgrace.

I love republicans- my wife is a republican- In my experience, republicans are the more charitable and volunteer more than Democrats, they are the salt of the earth--but the republican head coach and his staff have totally failed their fans. They really do not have the same values of their fans. They are beholding to what they perceive as the owners of the team- the top 1%.

We need a new coaching staff just as much if not more than new head coach. USA USA USA