Mid term elections.... - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Flaptail · 11-09-2006, 09:38 AM

Now that they are over and the Democratic Party has both the House and Senate do you think they can get the job done? So many issues but the main one as we all know is Iraq.

How do we get out without the country falling into civil chaos and bloodshed of an unimaginable scale? We have to finish what we unfortunately started, how the hell do we do that? Now that Rumsfeld, although very belatedly, has been fired and the officer corps of our armed forces are jumping for joy down the hallways of the Pentagon, do you think the new DS elect will let the military run the ground offensive there or not and will he listen to there advice? McNamara, is who I hold solely responsible for the war in VietNam getting so F*cked up and taking my brother's life, ran the show in the same way Rumsfeld did, it only took 30 years for him to realize how wrong he was. Even Pres. Johnson wanted to get out and knew it was a no win situation but he let McNamara go on as Bush did with Donny. How will this all play out? Any thoughts?

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 10:00 AM

As far as I'm concerned the goals of the war were achieved quite some time ago. The task left at hand is to create an Internal Iraqi Security force capable of securing their own country. Hopefully with Rumsfelds departure that process can be expedited. The only thing for sure is an immediate withdrawal with no concern for the potential consequences would be a huge mistake.

Nebe · 11-09-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

As far as I'm concerned the goals of the war were achieved quite some time ago. The task left at hand is to create an Internal Iraqi Security force capable of securing their own country. Hopefully with Rumsfelds departure that process can be expedited. The only thing for sure is an immediate withdrawal with no concern for the potential consequences would be a huge mistake.

couldnt have said it better myself.

spence · 11-09-2006, 10:48 AM

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As far as I'm concerned the goals of the war were achieved quite some time ago.

The goal of the war as stated by it's architects was to bring safety to America by making the Middle East more stable through democratic reform.

Despite the heroic efforts of our fighting men and women we're still a long way from achieving this goal.

-spence

Bronko · 11-09-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

As far as I'm concerned the goals of the war were achieved quite some time ago. The task left at hand is to create an Internal Iraqi Security force capable of securing their own country. Hopefully with Rumsfelds departure that process can be expedited. The only thing for sure is an immediate withdrawal with no concern for the potential consequences would be a huge mistake.

Very well said.

Bottom line is the people have spoken. I think in the long run this purge will be a good thing. I like it because many of the democrats that were elected are known as being fiscally and socially conservative, which is exactly what I am.

Unfortunately, I have a strong suspicion that with Pelosi and Rangel in positions of power and with the democratic party in control of congress there will be a lot more impetus to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas and hold hearings to vilify the current administration. I have a feeling that with the blind hate many democrats have for the Bush crowd, that the focus will shift from the "mess" that is Iraq to the fufillment of personal vendettas. We shall see.

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 11:15 AM

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Very well said.

Bottom line is the people have spoken. I think in the long run this purge will be a good thing. I like it because many of the democrats that were elected are known as being fiscally and socially conservative, which is exactly what I am.

Unfortunately, I have a strong suspicion that with Pelosi and Rangel in positions of power and with the democratic party in control of congress there will be a lot more impetus to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas and hold hearings to vilify the current administration. I have a feeling that with the blind hate many democrats have for the Bush crowd, that the focus will shift from the "mess" that is Iraq to the fufillment of personal vendettas. We shall see.

Agreed. If only that blind hatred could be channeled towards the true and sworn enemies of America we would be a stronger and safer nation.

Skip N · 11-09-2006, 11:26 AM

I almost threw up reading the projo this morning. There was a fluff piece on Pelosi how she is a "moderate" democrat!

Who are these people trying to fool? How can a San Fran Liberal be a freakin' moderate.

And i just loved the piece on how america voted "liberal" They made the argument that because Arizona voted for gay marriage the entire country somehow is coming around to that view. I think someone forgot to tell them that every other state that had that question on the ballet rejected it! And in previous elections the same thing. But no, america supports this crap now becuase of ONE state?? WTF?

Liberalism is gonna be jammed down our throat the next two years, so get ready.

Its starting already.....

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

I almost threw up reading the projo this morning. There was a fluff piece on Pelosi how she is a "moderate" democrat!

Who are these people trying to fool? How can a San Fran Liberal be a freakin' moderate.

And i just loved the piece on how america voted "liberal" They made the argument that because Arizona voted for gay marriage the entire country somehow is coming around to that view. I think someone forgot to tell them that every other state that had that question on the ballet rejected it! And in previous elections the same thing. But no, america supports this crap now becuase of ONE state?? WTF?

Liberalism is gonna be jammed down our throat the next two years, so get ready.

Its starting already.....

There is no doubt that America as a whole rejects the ideology of the Far Left. Even the Far Left Liberals in this election had to disguise their true positions. Trying to force feed those values and that ideology to Americans is a recipe for failure. We will see. Has anyone looked at Pelosi's voting record on Illegal Immigration? I think the Lieberman/Lamont race was a pretty good indicator where moderate (majority) of America stands.

spence · 11-09-2006, 11:40 AM

Skippy, didn't you hear?

The first Bill of the Pelosi Congress has already been proposed

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H.CON.RES.483 for the 110th Congress

MAKING HOMOSEXUALITY MANDATORY

Sec 1 - Realizing that the people of the United States of America enjoy better shopping, high-end restaurants and intellectually provocative artwork, it shall be determined that all US men shall be required to report to "grooming schools" positioned at all polling stations for immediate indoctrination.

-spence

spence · 11-09-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronko

Unfortunately, I have a strong suspicion that with Pelosi and Rangel in positions of power and with the democratic party in control of congress there will be a lot more impetus to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas and hold hearings to vilify the current administration. I have a feeling that with the blind hate many democrats have for the Bush crowd, that the focus will shift from the "mess" that is Iraq to the fufillment of personal vendettas. We shall see.

Ok, then how about Congress just does it's job and ensures the Executive Branch operates in an ethical and productive manner?

What you see as a "vendetta" I see as personal accountability. I used to think that Republicans stood for that...perhaps it's why so many fled the GOP this time around.

-spence

Bronko · 11-09-2006, 11:48 AM

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Ok, then how about Congress just does it's job and ensures the Executive Branch operates in an ethical and productive manner?

What you see as a "vendetta" I see as personal accountability. I used to think that Republicans stood for that...perhaps it's why so many fled the GOP this time around.

-spence

As long as the focus of our newly elected congress remains balanced and the safety and security of this great country is not compromised I will be satiated. I would just hate to see people tripping over each other in a mad rush to illustrate "personal accountability" while giving terrorists and individuals who want to harm this country a chance to take a deep breath.

I am not the only person who is extremely interested in seeing what plans this new congress has to cure the ills it has highlighted. There was a lot of rhetoric about getting out of Iraq, and exit strategies during these campaigns without an actual plan ever being set out. I wait with great anticipation.

Skip N · 11-09-2006, 12:54 PM

It's always frightening to see the enemys of the United states, such as Iran, celebrating the new Democratic congress.

Now this disturbs me....

riverrat55 · 11-09-2006, 09:35 PM

Training security forces in Irag is a joke!!!
Who makes up the security force?
You have Sunni's and Shiites, both whom hate each other!!!
Like I said before, Iraq should no longer be a country!!!
It should be divided into 3 new countries of autonomy!!!
Kurds in the North (Whom can stand on their own now!!!)
Sunni's in the middle (With security support from Syria!!!)
Shiite's in the South (With support from Iran!!!)
Oil sharing revenues will be worked out by everyone involved!!!
This way, The USA can withdraw its troops in a show of a settlement and not as a show of defeat!!!
Besides, putting Syria and Iran on the world stage will force them to follow thru with whatever plans they have to help!!!