one benefit of tax cuts

[Got Stripers]

Short term I’d agree Trump has put money in my retirement account, but the cost to future generations is going to be high. I’d have preferred to not sell my sole for an extra $2500 and the damage he is doing to the environment, to foreign policy, to ethics, to morals, to civility, those things that we would expect from our leader is hard to even measure.

Look at what he has done to the GOP, aside from one who has spoken out against Moscow Mitch’s comments, they are all prepared to take an oath to swear to be impartial jurors, while professing up front they will be anything but. Good Christian men like a Trump can swear to god and country to be impartial knowing they will not even bring documents or witnesses and even if they do, all will ignore the facts. It is a desperation to maintain the power in the senate, this is the old white old school guard worrying about the trend in politics and the move away from their party now stands for.

[Jim in CT]

Got Stripers, when obama
put money into your retirement accounts,,did you worry that it was short
lived and future generations would suffer? if
not, why not? very specifically, why not? because trump is a jerk?

i didn’t sell my soul for $2500. i voted for trump before
i knew there’d be a tax cut and would have voted for him anyway.

Is my soul better off behind a candidate who supports abortion until the moment of birth? Nope.


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Short term I’d agree Trump has put money in my retirement account, but the cost to future generations is going to be high. I’d have preferred to not sell my sole for an extra $2500 and the damage he is doing to the environment, to foreign policy, to ethics, to morals, to civility, those things that we would expect from our leader is hard to even measure.

Look at what he has done to the GOP, aside from one who has spoken out against Moscow Mitch’s comments, they are all prepared to take an oath to swear to be impartial jurors, while professing up front they will be anything but. Good Christian men like a Trump can swear to god and country to be impartial knowing they will not even bring documents or witnesses and even if they do, all will ignore the facts. It is a desperation to maintain the power in the senate, this is the old white old school guard worrying about the trend in politics and the move away from their party now stands for.

and i can make a compelling case according to what I believe, that it's the democrats who are putting facts aside for politics.

When Biden claimed
that he had no intention of complying with any senate subpoenas demanding he testify, I didn’t hear anyone
in the left claim
that he was guilty of obstruction and therefore unqualified to be potus. So add that to a
long list of things that liberals say are impeachable when Trump does them, but not worth mentioning when democrats do it.

Got an explanation for that? I’m all
ears.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and i can make a compelling case according to what I believe, that it's the democrats who are putting facts aside for politics.

When Biden claimed
that he had no intention of complying with any senate subpoenas demanding he testify, I didn’t hear anyone
in the left claim
that he was guilty of obstruction and therefore unqualified to be potus. So add that to a
long list of things that liberals say are impeachable when Trump does them, but not worth mentioning when democrats do it.

Got an explanation for that? I’m all
ears.
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He had a good reason for not being on the witness list, because he has no first hand knowledge about the charges against a Trump, this trial isn’t about whether Hunter took a hand out job due to his dad being VP. If you think a Trump was actually looking into corruption, you are drunk on the Fox/GOP coolaid.

He also suggested that if he was served with a legal subpoena he would comply. Personally I’d love to see the Bidens as witnesses, provided Bolton, Mulvaney, budget and Pompeo all testify without pulling the BS executive privilege card. That won’t happen because those testimonies potentially flip enough votes to have him removed.

[Pete F.]

Biden said: “I am just not going to pretend that there is any legal basis for Republican subpoenas for my testimony in the impeachment trial. That is the point I was making yesterday and I reiterate: this impeachment is about Trump’s conduct, not mine.”
And he said he would comply.
I think he should have just pulled a Floridaman move and claimed that he never said that.

Floridaman has yet to comply with a single subpoena, not one.
Of course he has said:
I'll release my taxes
I'll testify to Mueller
I'd love to testify in the impeachment
I'd love to have my guys testify
Has he done any of those?
No, he has obstructed the investigation as much as possible.
Remember nobody that has witnesses that could provide exculpatory evidence prevents them from testifying.

My ears await your rationalization for that.

Floridaman’s a moral arsonist, and if he determined that the only way to hold on to power was to burn everything to the ground, he’d gladly be king of ashes. To paraphrase Milton: Better to reign over a ruined country than to be just another crass plutocrat in a noble one.
Though I think he will end in prison.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

He had a good reason for not being on the witness list, because he has no first hand knowledge about the charges against a Trump, this trial isn’t about whether Hunter took a hand out job due to his dad being VP. If you think a Trump was actually looking into corruption, you are drunk on the Fox/GOP coolaid.

He also suggested that if he was served with a legal subpoena he would comply. Personally I’d love to see the Bidens as witnesses, provided Bolton, Mulvaney, budget and Pompeo all testify without pulling the BS executive privilege card. That won’t happen because those testimonies potentially flip enough votes to have him removed.

one of the things i keep hearing about Trump, is that he used his office to dig up dirt on a political opponent.

Biden certainly has first hand
knowledge of his role
in Ukraine, and he could testify to things that justify Trumps wanting to know what happened there. But we can’t have people
knowing what actually happened there, not if it hurts a Democrat.
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[Jim in CT]

Pete, one of the accusations of Trumps conduct, is that there was no legitimate reason for him to
inquire into the Bidens actions there. None of us knows exactly what happened. But if the truth revealed that Trump had every reason to find out what took place, that makes his actions more legitimate.

Why is Biden so determined to keep a lid on what he and Hunter did there? And why are liberals like you so opposed to asking what they did there? Hmmm?
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[Jim in CT]

GS, today he’s saying he’d comply. Originally, he said he’d refuse to comply. After he said that, no one on the left accused him of obstruction and said that disqualified him from being potus.

Why?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

GS, today he’s saying he’d comply. Originally, he said he’d refuse to comply. After he said that, no one on the left accused him of obstruction and said that disqualified him from being potus.

Why?
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How can one obstruct justice ahead of a subpoena, your reaching now buddy, but again full blown witnesses kill Trump not the Bidens, so bring it on Moscow Mitch.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, one of the accusations of Trumps conduct, is that there was no legitimate reason for him to
inquire into the Bidens actions there. None of us knows exactly what happened. But if the truth revealed that Trump had every reason to find out what took place, that makes his actions more legitimate.

Why is Biden so determined to keep a lid on what he and Hunter did there? And why are liberals like you so opposed to asking what they did there? Hmmm?
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Impeachment isn’t about the Bidens. If there was any there, there, our FBI would have handled it. Because there wasn’t, Floridaman resorted to trying to bribe a vulnerable ally into announcing an investigation, impairing our nat’l security & theirs. That’s why Floridaman was impeached.

[Pete F.]

So many questions remain unanswered.

What exactly happened after the White House, and Floridaman, learned about the whistleblower complaint?

What did the criminal referral from the CIA GC say?

And what discussions did the White House and the DOJ have about both?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

How can one obstruct justice ahead of a subpoena, your reaching now buddy, but again full blown witnesses kill Trump not the Bidens, so bring it on Moscow Mitch.

i’m not teaching, you’re dodging. He said very explicitly that if he were to get a subpoena, he’d refuse to comply.

None of you is capable of
answering a challenging question. it’s unbelievable. You can’t just say “you know what, if we’re going to criticize trump for not complying, we should hold biden to the same standard.”

you can’t even admit that biden originally refused to comply.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So many questions remain unanswered.

?

i guess the house did a crappy job if, according to you, so many questions were unanswered.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i guess the house did a crappy job if, according to you, so many questions were unanswered.
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Hence the obstruction of congress Jim.
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[wdmso]

Jim your a Transactional supporter of Trump or to keep it easy it's a quid pro quo

He gives you 2500.00 ( I know I am not seeing 2500 ) judges and abortion and you ignore everything else. Trust me politics has always had Transactional components . But the GOP and trump's supporters have taken it way beyond that

Just look at your rabid claims that the bidens need to be investigated, yet Carter paige was illegally surveillance, you can't have it both ways, why hasn't the GOP started their own investigations into these illegal Biden activities? Because he hasn't been nominated yet, or elected when those things happen and if they happen , we'll see the GOP smearing campaign in full gear

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Hence the obstruction of congress Jim.
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and arent there court cases pending to see what the administration had to provide, and what they don’t? why not wait until those are settled?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim your a Transactional supporter of Trump or to keep it easy it's a quid pro quo

He gives you 2500.00 ( I know I am not seeing 2500 ) judges and abortion and you ignore everything else. Trust me politics has always had Transactional components . But the GOP and trump's supporters have taken it way beyond that

Just look at your rabid claims that the bidens need to be investigated, yet Carter paige was illegally surveillance, you can't have it both ways, why hasn't the GOP started their own investigations into these illegal Biden activities? Because he hasn't been nominated yet, or elected when those things happen and if they happen , we'll see the GOP smearing campaign in full gear

you’re demonstrably lying. i don’t ignore everything else. i call him out for being a jerk all the time, but only when it’s actually true. a demonstrably false post, pure BS. desperate times call for desperate actions.

any thoughtful voter gives a lot of thought to the kinds of judges a potus will appoint. No surprise, i love the way he’s packing all
levels of courts with young judges who will use the constitution as a rulebook, rather than using their own personal beliefs. if he gets re elected, and if the gop keeps the senate, he probably gets another supreme court pick, one that will really transform that court away from judicial activism, resulting in one that rules by the constitution. amazing that there is disagreement on that, absolutely amazing.

i’m not trying to have anything both ways. im not saying carter page can never be investigated, but not if the FBI has to break the rules to get permission to spy on him, which the IG says they did. If there was probable cause, then
there’s no need to use debunked dossiers. Is that going too fast for you?


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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and arent there court cases pending to see what the administration had to provide, and what they don’t? why not wait until those are settled?
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Jim, the "obstruction of Congress" charge is ridiculous on its face. Most of opposition politics is about "obstructing" the other party. Congress obstructs itself on a daily basis, as well as it obstructs the President. Congress has been obstructing Trump, ergo the executive branch, from the beginning of his presidency.

There is no such crime entitled "obstruction of Congress." Impeachment on this basis is a purely political ploy.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i guess the house did a crappy job if, according to you, so many questions were unanswered.
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I think they did an amazing job in 10 weeks while being obstructed in every way possible by Floridaman. It could have been Whitewater or Benghazi, but in those cases people testified. Floridaman might as well take the Fifth.

Perhaps you can clarify on what basis has the Justice Department refused to appoint a special counsel to, or otherwise to, investigate the bribery, extortion, and other crimes that the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence found?

What discussions have there been on that?

All of these questions need to be answered by a comprehensive investigation by a special counsel, inspectors general, or both.

[Sea Dangles]

MAGA
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