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03-13-2018, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.
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What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do? |
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03-13-2018, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do?
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I think Trump kisses Putin's golden ring a bit more than Putin does, but there is definitely a love fest there; not sure if there is a deep state conspiracy there. Even as of a week or so ago, DJT still was passing around the belief that the hacking could have been many others other than Russia. |
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03-13-2018, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
I think Trump kisses Putin's golden ring a bit more than Putin does, but there is definitely a love fest there; not sure if there is a deep state conspiracy there. Even as of a week or so ago, DJT still was passing around the belief that the hacking could have been many others other than Russia.
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If there is a love affair between them, it certainly hasn't gone farther than some hints, and is, so far as we know, unrequited, and doesn't have any indications of leading to a marriage. Even been a few spats. Maybe a passing fancy? Maybe a trick?
The Donald does have a tendency to fire people who he has praised. |
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03-13-2018, 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.
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Obama habitually effed up and underestimate foreign powers and the Great Game. Jury is still out if DJT can surpass BO on FP complete and utter stupidity as the amount is great, but the race is on. |
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03-13-2018, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Obama habitually effed up and underestimate foreign powers and the Great Game. Jury is still out if DJT can surpass BO on FP complete and utter stupidity as the amount is great, but the race is on.
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You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-13-2018, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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Not to mention that Obama inherited one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in US history. Sure, let's invade a strategic nation in an unstable region and give it to Iran...great job W. |
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03-13-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better. |
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03-13-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better.
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Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
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03-13-2018, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do?
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At a minimum conspiring to cover up or minimize the fallout from Russia's efforts to disrupt the election in favor for Trump. They might have different motivations but the behavior is quite telling. |
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03-13-2018, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
At a minimum conspiring to cover up or minimize the fallout from Russia's efforts to disrupt the election in favor for Trump.
Trump and Putin praising each other is a strange way to cover up a cozy conspiracy between them. But let's assume that it is a masterfully devious trick, a grand deflection, to hide what is,"At a minimum", a conspiracy to cover up a conspiracy, what would be the "maximum" conspiracy between Trump and Putin?
They might have different motivations but the behavior is quite telling.
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Please do tell us what the behavior tells. |
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03-13-2018, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Please do tell us what the behavior tells.
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What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers
What does Trump's behavior tell you? |
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03-13-2018, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
What does Trump's behavior tell you?
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He's under Putin's thumb. |
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03-13-2018, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
He's under Putin's thumb.
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Ding ding ding !
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