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Old 04-18-2019, 06:21 AM   #1
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Muller report AG new conference

Again the conservatives are silent

with this new wrinkle and the WH house has seen the report before congress hum???

yea Barr is showing how independent he clears isn't ..


Trumps Has become everything Republican said Obama was going to be

and now there ok with that ...
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:42 AM   #2
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AG said he wouldn’t comment further on the contents until it was released, yet he is going to do so in a press conference ahead of the release. Trump praised the investigation initially and in Trump fashion now it’s something else; he even suggested America should watch the coverage on only the news networks he likes. It’s all eventually coming out regardless of the redactions.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:13 AM   #3
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Couldn’t care less. Our country is broken. Flush out all of the turds. Wipe the skid marks off the bowl and maybe we can rebuild DC into something that works for everyone.
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:36 AM   #6
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wow what a snow job by Barr could he stroke trump any harder


not one colluded willing.... unwitting agent


obstruction : Trump was just mad
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So I guess he didn't say anything you desperately needed to hear

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So I guess he didn't say anything you desperately needed to hear
Just another one of Trumps people blowing the Dear Leader ..

And another Trump fan (you) who have no issues with the release of the report .. the by anymeans necessary crowd .. it's no longer America 1st its Trump before country.. 1st
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The meaning gets lost due to the echo between the ears.
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Looks like Trump got the AG he always wanted. Still, there’s a lot of damning stuff here.
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Just not the code red you were hoping for,Jeff.
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Just not the code red you were hoping for,Jeff.
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Wasn’t expecting a code red. There’s plenty to justify obstruction though and Barr has proven to be more of a PR agent than Attorney General.
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Oh, my bad.👍🏽
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Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice. Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer. The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice. Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer. The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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so what about the fact
that Mueller indicted no one for collusion? does that mean anything? for two years, we were told that Mueller would have the final, conclusive word. funny how that changed.
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Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice.

He didn't say, definitively or otherwise, that there is NO evidence. He said the evidence is not sufficient to establish obstruction. And he laid out legitimate reasons for his conclusion. He certainly established that the evidence supported the belief that Trump did not act out of a motive to obstruct, but that, as Mueller acknowledged in his report, there is substantial evidence to show that the President was frustrated and angered by his "sincere" belief that his presidency was being undermined by his political opponents and fueled by illegal leaks. And that even so, the White House fully cooperated with the investigation, took no act to deprive the special counsel of the documents and witnesses to complete his investigation.

It is legally required to prove the corrupt motivation to obstruct justice. The evidence was substantial (again as acknowledged in Mueller's report) that Trump's motivation was non-corruptive but frustration and anger at what he perceived as an attempt to destroy his presidency. In other words, his motivation was not to obstruct justice, but to fight for it. After all, he knew that he had not conspired with the Russians--as was concluded by Mueller's report.

And, basically, how can you reasonably argue that it is obstructive to fight against a lie.


Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer.

OK . . . that is an opinion, not an actual proven fact. Putting words in Barr's mouth as you did above, then piling on with negative personal opinion is a shady way of making an argument.

The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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If you can't indict a sitting President, what is the point of the investigation? Isn't it to find sufficient evidence of criminal behavior? And if sufficient evidence is not found, as it apparently was not since Mueller could not conclude that obstruction was proven, what is there to hand over to Congress other than another politically biased hunt to find conclusive evidence (as if the exhaustive search by Mueller's team was not capable of doing so). The point of a prosecutorial investigation is to determine if there is enough evidence to prosecute. If the prosecutor (the special counsel in this case)cannot find enough evidence to prosecute, that should be the end of it. A prosecutor should not leave it up in the air by making a nebulous comment saying in effect that it could be one way or the other. By doing so, Mueller is abandoning his responsibility to conclude if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute. And that inaction vitiates the whole purpose of prosecution. That destroys the whole concept that it is not up to the defendant to prove innocence, but up to the prosecution to prove guilt. If the prosecution cannot prove such, or is unwilling to do so, or willing to say he is unable to, then it is OVER. Defendant wins.

In any case, Congress doesn't need Mueller's invitation. It can concoct whatever argument it wants to impeach. If Mueller is trying to give Congress some cover for doing so, even if he could not conclude a crime was committed after an exhaustive investigation, then it is he, not Barr who is a acting politically--boot licking as you so graciously and objectively put it.
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His base will see only what they want to see in this report, no shock there.
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Is this a fact or an opinion? Would it be a fact or an opinion to say that "his opponents will see only what they want to see in this report, no shock there."
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what should we see? Mueller recommended zero indictments for collusion with russia. Zero. Are we going to go through the whole thing again, this time the hunt is for obstruction?
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Can’t possibly debate with the hard core supporters it’s always a circular argument, your best bet is congress attempts to impeach, I hope they continue to expose a Trump for what he is and 2020 takes care of things. Take NOTES or not, it will piss of the supreme leader.
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Can’t possibly debate with the hard core supporters it’s always a circular argument, your best bet is congress attempts to impeach, I hope they continue to expose a Trump for what he is and 2020 takes care of things. Take NOTES or not, it will piss of the supreme leader.
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Can't argue with your hard core way of looking at it.
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Can’t possibly debate with the hard core supporters it’s always a circular argument, your best bet is congress attempts to impeach, I hope they continue to expose a Trump for what he is and 2020 takes care of things. Take NOTES or not, it will piss of the supreme leader.
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I sooooooo want him to win in 2020, the TDS sufferers deserve it.
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msnbc melt down 24/7?
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If the snowflakes only knew how entertaining they are.
It’s obvious the naysayers have a lot less to say after their big investigation nothing burger,lots of broken hearts.
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have you seen the ratings at CNN and MSNBC, since we learned Mueller found nothing to indict on?

Enron is doing better.

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