Biden’s statement on court packing

[Jim in CT]

“You’ll know my opinion on court packing when the election is over.”

Curious to hear opinions on the honesty and transparency shown there.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“You’ll know my opinion on court packing when the election is over.”

Curious to hear opinions on the honesty and transparency shown there.

Is anything he said a lie?

If they can I hope they do it after Garland.

Anyone have any idea where I can get 2 more stars painted on my wooden flag?

[Pete F.]

Well, it's acceptable if one just flips, isn't it?

So what difference does it make, I really don't care, do U?

[Jim in CT]

of course, in true liberal fashion, neither one of you addressed the point.

if he has an opinion on court packing, shouldn’t he tell
us what it is, so that we can make an informed decision? why is he so afraid to tell
us what hell do?
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[Pete F.]

I remember when Republicans tried to unpack the DC circuit by removing seats so Obama couldn’t fill them.

Chuck Grassley actually introduced the Stop Court-Packing Act to prevent Obama from filling open seats on the circuit by reducing it from 11 to 8 judges.

But just keep playing victim
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

of course, in true liberal fashion, neither one of you addressed the point.

if he has an opinion on court packing, shouldn’t he tell
us what it is, so that we can make an informed decision? why is he so afraid to tell
us what hell do?
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In typical angry Jim fashion, you throw out an insult and then want someone to answer.

Why was Pence afraid to answer the questions about Covid in the debate?

[Pete F.]

When was Tweety’s last negative COVID test?
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[Pete F.]

Here’s Biden’s easy answer. “They are packing the courts. Have been for four years now. Why? Because their philosophy does not represent the will of the American people. They think they can use the courts to subvert democracy. We believe that is wrong and all legal remedies are on the table”
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

In typical angry Jim fashion, you throw out an insult and then want someone to answer.

Why was Pence afraid to answer the questions about Covid in the debate?

I'm not the least bit angry. I presumed you'd all be completely unable of just saying "he should share major plans with us", and you proved me right.

Again, you confuse your own flaws, with my anger. They are unrelated things.

'Why was Pence afraid to answer the questions about Covid in the debate"

Here, Paul, watch this...

Pence is being a jerk for not answering, and people should judge him for that.

See? I criticized him when he clearly deserved it, and I didn't die. None of you can ever bring yourselves to even come close to doing that.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“You’ll know my opinion on court packing when the election is over.”

Curious to hear opinions on the honesty and transparency shown there.

Rich two qualities lacking in spades for the past four years, do you mean honesty and transparency like Trump displayed when early on he knew exactly how bad this virus was. Wait you mean honesty and transparency like this week when even thou the president knows how bad this virus can be, suddenly it’s an easy beat?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Rich two qualities lacking in spades for the past four years, do you mean honesty and transparency like Trump displayed when early on he knew exactly how bad this virus was. Wait you mean honesty and transparency like this week when even thou the president knows how bad this virus can be, suddenly it’s an easy beat?

You could fill the oceans with Trumps faults. But what his supporters like, is his willingness to tell you what his plans are, and then to (mostly, certainly not always) do what he said he was going to do. The judges he picked, his tax cuts, bringing troops home, cutting regulations, etc. His biggest failure here, probably, is the wall. Again, I pointed out an obvious flaw of his, and nothing bad happened.

I for one am shocked, that your response to a question about Bidens flaw, was to say "but Trump does it".

What are you afraid will happen, exactly, if you just said that Biden should do better? Do you think your head will explode?

You're all exactly the same, and completely and entirely predictable. It's something to see.

[wdmso]

Jim if dems win the white house and the senate and keep the house
Remember elections have consequences your words

And republicans have disregarded every know normal under Trump and with Obamas Choice Garland and to use another Conservative and your argument if its not illegal or against the constitution its acceptable..

So if they pack the court and have the votes I suggest republicans STFU they have no moral or ethical ground to stand on kewl:

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s Biden’s easy answer. “They are packing the courts. Have been for four years now. Why? Because their philosophy does not represent the will of the American people. They think they can use the courts to subvert democracy. We believe that is wrong and all legal remedies are on the table”

What subverts democracy from within is the tyranny of the majority and the schemes, lies, and corruptions used to gain that majority. That's why the Founders did not want a democracy and created a constitutional republic.

Our Constitution is the bulwark against that tyranny of the majority. It is the obstacle to the current socialistic charlatans who seek to consolidate control in a system of unlimited government. A system from which there is no escape from the manipulated, corruptly manufactured, "majority" of those who have been seduced by promised schemes, lies, and corruptions, into depending on government.

We are divided now by the conflict between those who want what they think is a benevolent government that will secure their comfort in every aspect of their lives, and those who want to be free from government control of their lives. It is a divide between the desire for Progressive centralized government power and a constitutionally limited government.

The problem with the notion of "the will of the people" arises when the people are foundationally divided. When there is no common principle of government on which to fasten that will, then voting becomes more of an all out ideological war instead of merely a squabble over whether to pay a tax or not or how much. In this ideological war, the minority are forced by government, not choice, to give up their personal precepts of how to live their lives. When there is no prescribed limitation on how much and in what way the government can do that, the government then has unlimited ability to tyrannize its citizens. And in a so-called democracy, such a government merely depends on a fractional percentage of votes, even on one vote if it so happens, to dictate how the minority, nor matter how large, shall, in every instance and every way, live its lives because a majority, no matter how small and how beguiled and deceived by promised government largesse pandering to their baser instincts, have been bribed to vote for it.

The Progressive founders openly said that the Constitution is outdated and an obstacle to government doing what it considers necessary and good. They are the anti-constitutionalists. They are who seek an unlimited centralized government under the pretense of solving all social problems and imposing the most efficient way to ensure a well functioning supposedly egalitarian society.

They have been in a century old battle against our founding system, and have whittled away at its structure, transforming it more and more into a centralized top down system of government and less and less a constitutional system of sovereign states and sovereign individuals. They have changed the meaning of key, fundamental, words in the Constitution enabling them to pass Constitution busting legislation and create a massive record of unconstitutional case law buttressed by stare decisis (as well as changing the meaning of societally defining words and even biological concepts). They have all but eliminated any unalienable right (the vast residuum of rights that were supposed to be retained by the people against those specifically granted to government) that is not enshrined in the Bill of rights, while even weakening those, and openly vowing to actually eliminate some of those while secretly wishing to get rid of the rest. They want to eliminate the Electoral College. And they denigrate U.S. history as one of oppression actually beginning in 1619 with the introduction of slavery, rather than in 1776 and the eventual writing of the Constitution

It is Biden and his Progressive party that have been subverting our Republic and its Constitution (to a great extent through High Court decisions that have been rendered by Progressive instead of constitutional decisions). We are not a democracy. But hoodwinking us into thinking we are, and transforming us into one, is a way of eliminating those limitations of government power imposed by the Constitution, and turning us into the unobstructed form of government in which Biden and the rest of his Progressive cohorts can tell us how free we are to do what they say.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm not the least bit angry. I presumed you'd all be completely unable of just saying "he should share major plans with us", and you proved me right.

Again, you confuse your own flaws, with my anger. They are unrelated things.

'Why was Pence afraid to answer the questions about Covid in the debate"

Here, Paul, watch this...

Pence is being a jerk for not answering, and people should judge him for that.

See? I criticized him when he clearly deserved it, and I didn't die. None of you can ever bring yourselves to even come close to doing that.

How is it a flaw to point out that you are constantly angry and constantly insult people? Isn't that more a reflection of who you are and not me.

Why should he share his plans? He prob. hasn't decided yet and is waiting to see what the Rep. do with Barrett. I guess he could lie like Trump does constantly.

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why should he share his plans?

He shouldn't, we don't know the fate of the next appointee and stating he's for expanding the court will just irritate Trump's base. Biden's response was nearly perfect, he could of added he would work within the bounds of the Constitution.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You could fill the oceans with Trumps faults. But what his supporters like, is his willingness to tell you what his plans are, and then to (mostly, certainly not always) do what he said he was going to do. The judges he picked, his tax cuts, bringing troops home, cutting regulations, etc. His biggest failure here, probably, is the wall. Again, I pointed out an obvious flaw of his, and nothing bad happened.

I for one am shocked, that your response to a question about Bidens flaw, was to say "but Trump does it".

What are you afraid will happen, exactly, if you just said that Biden should do better? Do you think your head will explode?

You're all exactly the same, and completely and entirely predictable. It's something to see.

And that sir is why he needs to go. Judges to overrule row and yet this administration separates 4500 children, with 300 under five years old, so I guesss if your inside a uterus or white or a US citizen you need protection. Bringing troops home is not viewed in many arenas by our military or our allies as smart, so no that’s not a win. Cutting regulations and screwing the environment or workers rights or safety, sorry not a win. Tax cuts for corporations and his rich buddies, sorry time to go.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

And that sir is why he needs to go. Judges to overrule row and yet this administration separates 4500 children, with 300 under five years old, so I guesss if your inside a uterus or white or a US citizen you need protection. Bringing troops home is not viewed in many arenas by our military or our allies as smart, so no that’s not a win. Cutting regulations and screwing the environment or workers rights or safety, sorry not a win. Tax cuts for corporations and his rich buddies, sorry time to go.

Getting rid of the Roe decision will not get rid of abortion. It will take the federal government out of something that it does not have the constitutional authority to be in. It is a preservation of constitutional structure but a blow to the Progressive push to get rid of the Constitution and transform our government into an unimpeded, centralized, authoritarian administrative State.

[Jim in CT]

biden was very specific. the reason he won’t answer the question about packing the court, is that if he did, it would
be in all the papers.

he doesn’t think
americans have the right to know, before the election, what he will do if elected.

whew.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Biden's response was nearly perfect, he could of added he would work within the bounds of the... oh, you go...you know the thing.

fixed it

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he doesn’t think
americans have the right to know, before the election, what he will do if elected.

whew.
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reminds me of when kerry was was running and said he had a plan to fix everything but we had to elect him in order to find out what it was...it was a surprise

[wdmso]

Seems Jim demands hearing Bidens plans

But never demands to hear Trumps plans from health car plan to national covid plan why is that?

[Pete F.]

He’s just doing it to own the Trumplicans, and it’s working
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What subverts democracy from within is the tyranny of the majority and the schemes, lies, and corruptions used to gain that majority. That's why the Founders did not want a democracy and created a constitutional republic.

Our Constitution is the bulwark against that tyranny of the majority.

Seems your willing to ingnore the current tyranny of the majority but you see them as the minority(Republicans)

Because their Tyranny fits your views , it would have been easier to admit that

Then 6 paragraphs blaming progressives for everything ,

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems Jim demands hearing Bidens plans

But never demands to hear Trumps plans from health car plan to national covid plan why is that?

i’ve said many times, that the gop
needs to do better in healthcare.

boy you’ve got me on the ropes!!
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems your willing to ingnore the current tyranny of the majority but you see them as the minority(Republicans)

Seems your definition of tyranny is metaphoric rather than legal. Under your assumption that current Republican rules and regulations are tyranny, we could assume that requiring drivers to stop at red lights is tyranny.

Because their Tyranny fits your views , it would have been easier to admit that

My view of "tryanny" is unlimited absolute power. So far, the Constitution is written in such a way that, if it is followed, the government is limited to having absolute power in only a few defined "enumerations." But the degradation of Constitutional text that has intentionally been, over time, foisted on it by Progressive Judges has given the federal government an expanding growth in scope and power at the expense of individual or local power, trending toward absolutism. And it is irrefutable that the founders of American Progressivism, on record, claimed that the Constitution should be replaced with a code of unlimited administrative power because the Constitution is an obstacle to government doing what it deems necessary--that government should not be impeded from doing what it wants. That is, the basic tenet of Progressive government is unlimited and absolute government power--tyranny. Of course, they consider Progressivism a beneficent tyranny.

Then 6 paragraphs blaming progressives for everything ,

Like you, I put blame where I think it is deserved.

[Pete F.]

Here are Biden's choices on the court packing question:
1) He says yes to court packing, giving Republicans a way to rile up their base. (See original post in this thread)
2) He says no, giving up political leverage.
3) He dodges, upsetting some reporters including all the rightwing media and their loyal sheep.

No. 3 seems like the best option.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here are Biden's choices on the court packing question:
1) He says yes to court packing, giving Republicans a way to rile up their base. (See original post in this thread)
2) He says no, giving up political leverage.
3) He dodges, upsetting some reporters including all the rightwing media and their loyal sheep.

No. 3 seems like the best option.
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So you give him a pass on his lack of transparency.

[Jim in CT]

biden said yesterday, that voters don’t deserve to know his plans on court packing. that’s literally what he said.

strange times.
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[Jim in CT]

pete, earth to pete...it’s not only republicans who oppose court stacking. ginsberg said recently, very explicitly, she thinks it’s a bad idea.
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[Pete F.]

Donald Trump has the support of more Talibans than of past presidents of his own party
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