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01-03-2020, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?
If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.
I don't see it as anything close to sane.
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Is it hyperbolic to say every single one can be trained, of course it is.
Part of this story is that the opportunities have to be made available to them. The existing programs have shown, that if you bring the training to them, opportunities can be found to advance in a career. Is it a panacea for everyone? of course not. It will take a combination of hard work and opportunities. While I disagree with UBI, part of Andrew Yang's message of lost industries like truck driving, mining etc are something we as a society should be thinking about. With every shuttering mine more and more people in that region will need opportunities. I would prefer this approach than welfare...
What should we do, in your opinion, if anything, in these areas. The market has spoken, we are transitioning away from coal for the foreseeable energy future.
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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01-03-2020, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?
If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.
I don't see it as anything close to sane.
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Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable. |
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01-03-2020, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Is it hyperbolic to say every single one can be trained, of course it is.
Part of this story is that the opportunities have to be made available to them. The existing programs have shown, that if you bring the training to them, opportunities can be found to advance in a career. Is it a panacea for everyone? of course not. It will take a combination of hard work and opportunities. While I disagree with UBI, part of Andrew Yang's message of lost industries like truck driving, mining etc are something we as a society should be thinking about. With every shuttering mine more and more people in that region will need opportunities. I would prefer this approach than welfare...
What should we do, in your opinion, if anything, in these areas. The market has spoken, we are transitioning away from coal for the foreseeable energy future.
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I don't know what to do there, never claimed to. Money to improve education and training is a start. I made the thread in response to Biden's explicit statement that "computer programming" is the answer there. It's not, and only an idiot would say it is, and Biden qualifies.
Working is better than welfare, no question. But Bidens statement here, to me, sounded as disgusting as his promise (and he did promise, very clearly) that if he wins in 2020, there will be a cure for cancer. You have to have something really wrong with you, to say that. And that's what he said. He can deliver the cure, but only if we elect him president. |
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01-03-2020, 02:24 PM
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Policys based on nostalgia is stupid
Should us taxpayer's give the 28 billion which 100 farms got 70% of the 28million. to the coal companys ? Again now we want to pick winners and loosers
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01-03-2020, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable.
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"Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels "
That necessarily means you think Biden is insane, because HE used the term shovel.
"thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options"
I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives. It's a lifestyle people don't want their children to follow them into. Why do something that risky, for such modest pay, if you could do a white collar job? I don't think many people love it the way people love, say, fishing. |
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01-03-2020, 02:26 PM
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Can someone report this thread
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You could ignore it if you don't like it, but that's apparently not enough for your totalitarian inclinations. |
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01-03-2020, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?
If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.
I don't see it as anything close to sane.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels "
That necessarily means you think Biden is insane, because HE used the term shovel.
"thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options"
I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives. It's a lifestyle people don't want their children to follow them into. Why do something that risky, for such modest pay, if you could do a white collar job? I don't think many people love it the way people love, say, fishing.
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Your words commenting on others.
I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal? I assume you to be a well educated white collar worker? And all that mining stuff is something any idiot could do?
Here is some, think you have the skill to do that? http://www.coaleducation.org/technol..._equipment.htm
Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh.
Keep in mind that working in the coal industry in coal country is sort of like working in insurance in Connecticut. |
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01-03-2020, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Your words commenting on others.
I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal? I assume you to be a well educated white collar worker? And all that mining stuff is something any idiot could do?
Here is some, think you have the skill to do that? http://www.coaleducation.org/technol..._equipment.htm
Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh.
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First, you ignored my comment that it was Biden who said they use shovels. You said it insane to think that, so I pointed out is was Biden who said it, and POOF, you no longer care about saying they use shovels. What does that tell you?
"Your words commenting on others"
Wrong again! I quoted Biden, who said explicitly, "anyone who can shovel coal..." Those were Biden's words, not mine. Snack on that.
"I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal?"
You're so deranged, you can't see that you are proving my point, not challenging it. I don't know if I could learn to run that equipment, but the fact that I'm good at my current job, says NOTHING about my ability to ever learn that job. Using your logic, it's just as stupid to assume that miners could learn to write code. You are making the same exact argument I am making. Exactly the same.
"Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh."
I never came close to saying there's anything wrong with working with your hands. I have no idea who you are responding to. For the 20th time, what I'm saying, is that being able to work with your hands, doesn't imply an ability to be able to make a living writing code. |
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01-03-2020, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
First, you ignored my comment that it was Biden who said they use shovels. You said it insane to think that, so I pointed out is was Biden who said it, and POOF, you no longer care about saying they use shovels. What does that tell you?
"Your words commenting on others"
Wrong again! I quoted Biden, who said explicitly, "anyone who can shovel coal..." Those were Biden's words, not mine. Snack on that.
"I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal?"
You're so deranged, you can't see that you are proving my point, not challenging it. I don't know if I could learn to run that equipment, but the fact that I'm good at my current job, says NOTHING about my ability to ever learn that job. Using your logic, it's just as stupid to assume that miners could learn to write code. You are making the same exact argument I am making. Exactly the same.
"Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh."
I never came close to saying there's anything wrong with working with your hands. I have no idea who you are responding to. For the 20th time, what I'm saying, is that being able to work with your hands, doesn't imply an ability to be able to make a living writing code.
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You said these things about coal miners, and I quote:
One profession is unskilled physical labor
what people do, who have zero other options.
I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives.
Joe Biden did not say any of those things, you did.
I assume you think they are largely true, since you proposed two of them as unequivocal statements.
Joe Biden was speaking rhetorically which you find great when Floridaman does it, but if the opposition does it you seize on one word and claim it is deplorable.
So, can you code or are you a miner?
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
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01-03-2020, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
You said these things about coal miners, and I quote:
One profession is unskilled physical labor
what people do, who have zero other options.
I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives.
Joe Biden did not say any of those things, you did.
I assume you think they are largely true, since you proposed two of them as unequivocal statements.
Joe Biden was speaking rhetorically which you find great when Floridaman does it, but if the opposition does it you seize on one word and claim it is deplorable.
So, can you code or are you a miner?
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Pete, the quote you posted, was “anyone who can shovel coal...”
That was Biden's quote, not mine. Biden said that. You then said it was insane to claim they use shovels. That necessarily means, you think Biden is insane. Right?
i did say the other things. I stand by them. id bet everything i have, that most low-level coal miners enter that industry, because of very limited options. Coal mining is not a field which could possibly indicate an ability to write code. Which is why no one looking to hire programmers, recruits in coal mines. They recruit people
who have demonstrated a different set of skills.
Aren’t you tired of embarrassing yourself and getting bitch slapped around? You’re making one idiotic, demonstrably false claim after another.
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01-03-2020, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Pete, the quote you posted, was “anyone who can shovel coal...”
That was Biden's quote, not mine. Biden said that. You then said it was insane to claim they use shovels. That necessarily means, you think Biden is insane. Right?
i did say the other things. I stand by them. id bet everything i have, that most low-level coal miners enter that industry, because of very limited options. Coal mining is not a field which could possibly indicate an ability to write code. Which is why no one looking to hire programmers, recruits in coal mines. They recruit people
who have demonstrated a different set of skills.
Aren’t you tired of embarrassing yourself and getting bitch slapped around? You’re making one idiotic, demonstrably false claim after another.
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Bitch slapped?
Are you man enough to back that up?
You’ve probably never done a days work in your life.
Crawl back into your cubicle, that coal miner that I posted does what?
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01-04-2020, 07:38 AM
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Wow, PeteF got bitch slapped and now he is accusing Jim of not working while at the same time acknowledging the presence of a cubicle of sorts. This is very mature. I like the direction this discussion has taken. Are big boy pants on exhibit next?
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01-04-2020, 08:08 AM
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Everyone needs to chill. Pete, I think Jim's tour(s?) In the sandbox count as 'work' as you are putting it.
Also... The irony of SD worried about maturity .... 😄😄😄😄
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01-04-2020, 11:28 AM
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Nice edit; tautog would be proud.
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01-04-2020, 12:40 PM
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Nice edit; tautog would be proud.
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I'm sharper after coffee and didn't want to make another post 😉
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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01-04-2020, 01:26 PM
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I'm sharper after coffee and didn't want to make another post 😉
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Nice job sleeping in👌.
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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01-04-2020, 01:28 PM
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Nice job sleeping in👌.
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I was up at 5. Second cup at 8 or so before the gym.
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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01-04-2020, 02:07 PM
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I was up at 5. Second cup at 8 or so before the gym.
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Oh no. Are you going to challenge Dangles to a fight too?
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01-04-2020, 02:37 PM
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Oh no. Are you going to challenge Dangles to a fight too?
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Nope. I don't take any of this stuff seriously😉
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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01-04-2020, 06:51 PM
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Oh no. Are you going to challenge Dangles to a fight too?
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CrossFit vs Trump🙀
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01-04-2020, 06:53 PM
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I was up at 5. Second cup at 8 or so before the gym.
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It was a compliment Bryan, don’t get defensive. Jeff still likes #^&#^&#^&#^&s.
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01-04-2020, 06:59 PM
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It was a compliment Bryan, don’t get defensive. Jeff still likes #^&#^&#^&#^&s.
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Certainly wasn't offended....
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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