Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

[Pete F.]

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism.

I want to see where a minor got an AR. There could be others liable.

Prepare for more of this.

[RickBomba]

Hang him.

Sorry, that’s a capital crime.

Fry him.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

What about the unarmed black people like Jacob Blake that aren't killed? What about the unarmed black people who are pulled over, detained, searched, unjustly convicted etc... etc... etc...

You keep trying to misuse stats to deny anything is wrong. This is what this is all about.

There are reports for that that the State and Attorney General get uploaded every few days. Every stop collects race data.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism.

Kinda like the Sex Offender radicalized by the other side. Huh.

Originally Posted by spence

I want to see where a minor got an AR. There could be others liable.

Prepare for more of this.

Rare point of agreement.

Originally Posted by RickBomba

Hang him.

Sorry, that’s a capital crime.

Fry him.
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No, dumbazz, jury trial, like everyone else.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

There are reports for that that the State and Attorney General get uploaded every few days. Every stop collects race data.

But does this get rolled up nationally? I didn't think this was a requirement.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

But does this get rolled up nationally? I didn't think this was a requirement.

It is a State issue and responsibility. Fed/DOJ can ask for this data as well, but it is up to states.

[TheSpecialist]

So all of you BLM supporters, is this what you are supporting? I mean lets be honest here are these people getting a point across, even the woman a protestor knows the difference , or are people getting sick of it, and saying no more....

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/kenosha...nGHs7Dn2XFQvkw

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

So all of you BLM supporters, is this what you are supporting? I mean lets be honest here are these people getting a point across, even the woman a protestor knows the difference , or are people getting sick of it, and saying no more....

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/kenosha...nGHs7Dn2XFQvkw

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure. Likely the charlottsville crowd too. The j.a. in the white house loves all of them too.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure.
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Look at Portland death last night .. counter protesters ya ok if they weren't rolling in with Trump flags .. I dont see BLM or other protesters waving Biden Flags Socialist flags or any other agenda then having police stop killing civilians

And again separate the rioters from normal protesters..


Where else in the world do milita groups operate in support of presidents not good places


https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-mi...eets-seriously


Dated Oct 2 2019

March 15th. 2019. Trump said: "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."



Hes been setting the table since then and now he'll go to Wisconsin and light the candles. Aka fuse

But hes no authoritarian

[spence]

You raise a good point. People are showing the Tump flags like he's a paramilitary leader, not like he's POTUS defending the US Constitution. This is really a cause for concern.

[Got Stripers]

Just kick the crap out of him and I will pay his lawyer bills, if people didn’t see this coming they are living in the dark with no TV, internet or radio. This MF is leading this nation in a very dangerous direction, even if you don’t like the positions of the left, are you ready for what our four fathers fought hard to get away from. Long live the king?

[nightfighter]

“To everyone instigating a possible civil war from all sides, let me give you a little bit of advice. Many of us served and fought in the wars. When our time was done, we came back to the USA to start over and live in peace. It wasn’t us who kneeled on the neck of a man until he died. It wasn’t us to retaliate by kneeling on the neck of a toddler saying “BLM NOW mf.”
You see, War is hell. Millions of you do not quite grasp this concept. We have been to hell, lived in hell, climbed out of hell, and don’t want to go back to hell. If you keep trampling on the peace we fought for, earned and love, then when that first shot gets fired, you will force us back to hell; and we will show you the brutal realities of hell.
Y’all better work this #^&#^&#^&#^& out before we do, because I guarantee you are not ready for this."


Not mine.... but I can't find anything to disagree with here...

[Pete F.]

When I saw the pickups with flags and people with guns, I wondered if it was Y’All Queda, or Vanilla ISIS?
It sure looks the same
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

“To everyone instigating a possible civil war from all sides, let me give you a little bit of advice. Many of us served and fought in the wars. When our time was done, we came back to the USA to start over and live in peace. It wasn’t us who kneeled on the neck of a man until he died. It wasn’t us to retaliate by kneeling on the neck of a toddler saying “BLM NOW mf.”
You see, War is hell. Millions of you do not quite grasp this concept. We have been to hell, lived in hell, climbed out of hell, and don’t want to go back to hell. If you keep trampling on the peace we fought for, earned and love, then when that first shot gets fired, you will force us back to hell; and we will show you the brutal realities of hell.
Y’all better work this #^&#^&#^&#^& out before we do, because I guarantee you are not ready for this."


Not mine.... but I can't find anything to disagree with here...

No arguments here.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No arguments here.
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And why there is nothing more important for the future of this country than getting the childish inflamer out of the white house.
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[PaulS]

It seemed redundant to have both the confederate flag and the Trump flag on those pickups.

[Pete F.]

Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. He just held rallies where he encouraged his followers to be violent.
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[wdmso]

Trump Praises Counter Protesters as "Great Patriots" Following Deadly Demonstrations

But. He's not an Authoritarian..
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[Jim in CT]

Rittenhouse must be guilty, because he has been declared guilty, by the same
people who said Darren Wilson was guilty, and the Duke lacrosse players, and Nick Samdman.

Right?
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[Pete F.]

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism
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he was “converted” by trump? you’re a mind reader now? you know what his thoughts were before and after?

you’re getting really scared now, aren’t you pete? this kind of insane desperation is rooted in terror.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Rittenhouse must be guilty, because he has been declared guilty, by the same
people who said Darren Wilson was guilty, and the Duke lacrosse players, and Nick Samdman.

Right?
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Right.

And the many of 1,000s of people wrongly convicted must be bc of some sort of mental flaw in the conserv. police who hide evidence or lie.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Right.

And the many of 1,000s of people wrongly convicted must be bc of some sort of mental flaw in the conserv. police who hide evidence or lie.

My point, and you are beyond smart enough to have know it, is that trials by media are a bad thing. Just in the last few years we have seen how catastrophic they can be for people whose lives are ruined yet did nothing wrong.

So why can't we all just say "this was a tragedy, let's get the facts and go from there."

And obviously both sides do it Paul, I'm not saying it's only one side. But 95% of the media has a liberal bias. So it's not exactly 50-50 either, especially when it comes to race.

It's a really bad idea. All of the riots in Ferguson, were based on a lie. A teenager named Nick Sandman was crucified in the media, based on a lie.

As to your specific post, police officers don't convict people. Juries do.

[Pete F.]

To be clear, MAGA lunatics literally call terrorist Kyle Rittenhouse their hero after murdering two people, but hate Colin Kaepernick for taking a knee during the anthem and NBA players for bringing awareness to racial injustice and police brutality. Says it all.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It seemed redundant to have both the confederate flag and the Trump flag on those pickups.

Ha ha ha, that's funny, please stop my stomach hurts.

Trump ushered in lowest black unemployment ever, and celebrated that fact at the SOTU while all the democrats sat there miserable.

Trump spearheaded criminal justice reform, which I don't happen to like but which nonetheless disproportionately helps blacks.

Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott (who is black), to create "economic opportunity zones" in impoverished urban areas, to incentivize businesses to invest there.

Trump is a huge proponent of school choice.

Are those the acts of a Klansman?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

My point, and you are beyond smart enough to have know it, is that trials by media are a bad thing. Just in the last few years we have seen how catastrophic they can be for people whose lives are ruined yet did nothing wrong.

So why can't we all just say "this was a tragedy, let's get the facts and go from there."

And obviously both sides do it Paul, I'm not saying it's only one side. But 95% of the media has a liberal bias. So it's not exactly 50-50 either, especially when it comes to race.

It's a really bad idea. All of the riots in Ferguson, were based on a lie. A teenager named Nick Sandman was crucified in the media, based on a lie.

As to your specific post, police officers don't convict people. Juries do.

juries convict people based on the evidence. If the (conserv.) police lie/withhold evidence isn't that the same type of bias (actually much worse) you're complaining about?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ha ha ha, that's funny, please stop my stomach hurts.It is actually pretty sad that so many racists who fly the confed. flag are Trump supporters. As an actuary don't you think that it is credible to say that the vast majority of people who fly the confed. flag are racists and that the vast majority of the people who fly confed. flags also support Trump

Trump ushered in lowest black unemployment ever, and celebrated that fact at the SOTU while all the democrats sat there miserable.

Trump spearheaded criminal justice reform, which I don't happen to like but which nonetheless disproportionately helps blacks.

Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott (who is black), to create "economic opportunity zones" in impoverished urban areas, to incentivize businesses to invest there.

Trump is a huge proponent of school choice.

Are those the acts of a Klansman?

He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts.

So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?

Scott - One of the few Black Repubs. I guess you pointed it out to show that the Repubs. can't be racist bc there is a few Blacks in the party.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ha ha ha, that's funny, please stop my stomach hurts.

Trump ushered in lowest black unemployment ever, and celebrated that fact at the SOTU while all the democrats sat there miserable.

If you want to be stupid, don't forget that the republicans dared to sit at the SOTU when Obama was president and he is black.
Black unemployment reached a record low during the Trump administration, 5.4% in August, as the longest economic expansion in history pressed ahead.

Most of the progress came when Barack Obama was president: Black unemployment dropped from a recession high of 16.8% in March 2010 to 7.8% in January 2017. Improvement continued under Trump until the pandemic. Black unemployment reached 16.8% in May, compared with 13.3% for the overall population.

Not all economic measures improved for African Americans under Trump before the pandemic. A black household earned median income of $41,361 in 2018, the latest data available. That’s below a 2000 peak of $43,380, according to the Census Bureau.

Trump spearheaded criminal justice reform, which I don't happen to like but which nonetheless disproportionately helps blacks.
Restricted clemency to only those who are celebrities, well-connected individuals, or have a personal affiliation with the president
Encouraged the use of excessive police force on peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors
Threatened maximum sentences for vandalism of monuments
Restarted federal executions after a 17-year informal moratorium on federal capital punishment
Secretly altered the risk assessment authorized in the FIRST Step Act to drastically reduce the number of federally incarcerated people eligible to be released to subdue the spread of COVID-19
Denied federal coronavirus relief funding to small business owners with a criminal record
Argued in court against people eligible for sentence reductions under the FIRST STEP Act
Jeopardized the FIRST STEP Act by underfunding its programs
Reinstated DOJ contracts with private prisons
Left director of the Bureau of Prisons position vacant for more than a year
Disbanded a program to create federal prison education systems13
Closed halfway houses that help those incarcerated transition back to the community
Prohibited federal investigations of patterns of unconstitutional policin
Stopped assistance to police departments that voluntarily wanted reform
Eliminated restrictions preventing police departments from obtaining military equipment
Eliminated community-based violence prevention programs
Condemned public criticism of police by threatening that protestors “might find themselves without the protection they need”
Eliminated DOJ community policing program grants in proposed executive budget
Attacked prosecutors who are pursuing criminal justice reform in their communitites
Proposed to eliminate a DOJ office dedicated to help communities reduce racial conflict
Rescinded federal guidance meant to stem the flow of the school to prison pipeline
Ordered federal prosecutors to pursue the harshest punishments possible
Threatened federal prosecutions for marijuana in states where it is legal
Attempted to resume use of the federal death penalty and encouraged expansion of the death penalty in drug cases
Waged the same failed war on drugs from the 80s
Attempted to force federal job candidates to disclose participation in diversion programs28
Expanded the federal use of civil asset forfeiture
Suspended the national forensic science commission
Failed to report on deaths in police custody as required by Congress
Disbanded the DOJ Science Advisory Board that provided evidence-based rigor to DOJ policies
Rescinded DOJ guidance that warned courts against excessive fees and fines

Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott (who is black), to create "economic opportunity zones" in impoverished urban areas, to incentivize businesses to invest there.

That's politics and so is this:U.S. Sen. Tim Scott said President Donald Trump focused on “the wrong numbers” when he claimed this week that “more white people” die at the hands of police.

As the only Black Republican in the Senate and who also led his party’s efforts on police reform, Scott said there is no denying the disparities faced by people of color when it comes to policing.

“The facts are very simple. If you’re an African American male, you are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police, killed by police, than someone who is white,” Scott said during a press availability in Charleston.

Trump is a huge proponent of school choice.

Not everyone is and that is why it has not become the norm no matter how much DeVos has spent to push it.

Are those the acts of a Klansman?

Actually he's the son of a Klansman

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts.

So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?

Scott - One of the few Black Repubs. I guess you pointed it out to show that the Repubs. can't be racist bc there is a few Blacks in the party.

I completely agree most common racists are Trump supporters. Shows how stupid they are, because Trump has done a lot for blacks.

"He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts"

I never said that. I quoted you. You responded, as beaten liberals always do, with "but Trump".

But he has done an awful lot for blacks.

"So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?"

(1) a rising tide lifts all boats. Black unemployment had more room to decrease.

(2) he created the economic opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott. Disproportionately helps blacks.

Your response?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Actually he's the son of a Klansman

How much made up stuff was in that response? Gibberish and dodging.

You're terror is showing Pete. I don't know why, I still think he gets creamed. Doesn't force me to let go of reality.

Jim: Trump helped create economic opportunity zones.

Pete: more blacks get pulled over by the police!

Not sure what one has to do with the other, big guy.