Originally Posted by spence
I doubt many militant Muslims paid much attention to Trump before his recent remarks. That Trump isn't in the video, yet elected politicians are makes perfect sense.
Absolutely (well, relatively, if you're offended by notions of absolute). What Obama, Kerry, Clinton, etc., said or did or doing, are every bit as much "recruitment tools" as what Trump said--they are even more so because they have the power to carry out their words.
Obama is a recruitment tool because we're bombing them.
Absolutely, like I said.
Trumps remarks don't serve any rational test and they're highly inflammatory, especially to American Muslims.
You're being an extremist here with the word "any". And I thought you were a relativist not an absolutist. Surely a relativist could see a "depends on context" scenario in which Trump's temporary ban on Muslim immigration here would be rational. Maybe you absolutely don't. Strange.
And "highly inflammatory"? Are you saying that American Muslims are being inflamed? Does that mean they are being recruited into ISIS? Or that they have no concern over the possibility of ISIS, or any other "extremist" Islamic group "radicalizing" American Muslims?
Isn't the point made by ISIS that the Western world is hostile and inhabitable to Islam?
If you are referring to the video I posted, the point is that Islam has no place in it for "the Western world". The Western world has no habitable place in Islam. The Western world is corrupt and immoral. It is not acceptable to Islam and must be destroyed.
If that's what they want why give it to them?
See, there you go again with that condescending tone. Islam is not appreciative of the notion that we can give it anything. Islam has what it needs without our help. Islamists would take offence at being relegated to needing our permission to do what they do. We are not worthy, in no position, to give Islamists anything except that which they will exact from us regardless if we consent or not.
The focus is quite deliberately far sighted. Trump's words aren't a single data point. What the enemy is witnessing are the masses of support for his racist rhetoric. As they say, Trump is a master marketer, he's giving his followers what he thinks they really want.
Well if he's giving them what they want, then their wanting precedes him. At least he is willing to abide by the will of the people. That would be a good start for a politician. Are Obama and Hillary giving their followers what they want? Are they giving the American people what they want? Do they have master marketers guiding them? Focusing on Trump as if he's the recruiting tool for ISIS, and disregarding the ocean of videos and rhetoric and bombings is a political trick. And it distracts from what Islamists "really want." And, yeah, BTW, Obama, Clinton, and a host of others are every bit, and more, part of that ocean of "recruitment tools" for ISIS. And they are, at the very least, hypocrites at pointing to Trump as one.
That this could be the most powerful person in the world must be a terrifying proposition for peace loving Muslims everywhere.
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