Keep It Up, Ilhan Omar

[Pete F.]

Jim said:
"It's not about profanity, it's about religious bigotry. Her religion, isn't known for their fondness of the Jews, maybe you heard something about that."
I said:
"Your prejudice against Muslims shows again, Perhaps a little reflection on what Christianity's views of other religions and history of oppression might change your opinion, but I doubt it"

Your comment:
"Do you have a prejudice against Christians?" No

"Why should Jim reflect on Christian views in respect to this Omar matter?"
To claim that because she is a Muslim, therefor she is a bigot and hates Jews is wrong.
Some Christian sects have and continue to conduct religious wars, torture and otherwise attack people of other religions, just as some sects of Muslims do to this day, don't tar everyone with the same brush.

"And hasn't past Christian oppression been duly criticized and reversed?"
Does that mean that self examination is bad or were you a "great" student like someone who must not be named and like him, do not understand that history repeats?

[Sea Dangles]

I think it is fine if she is not a fan of Israel/Jews whether or not she happens to be Muslim. But for a politician to actually open their mouth and prove it seems irresponsible.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim said:
"It's not about profanity, it's about religious bigotry. Her religion, isn't known for their fondness of the Jews, maybe you heard something about that."
I said:
"Your prejudice against Muslims shows again, Perhaps a little reflection on what Christianity's views of other religions and history of oppression might change your opinion, but I doubt it"

Your comment:
"Do you have a prejudice against Christians?" No

"Why should Jim reflect on Christian views in respect to this Omar matter?"
To claim that because she is a Muslim, therefor she is a bigot and hates Jews is wrong.
Some Christian sects have and continue to conduct religious wars, torture and otherwise attack people of other religions, just as some sects of Muslims do to this day, don't tar everyone with the same brush.

"And hasn't past Christian oppression been duly criticized and reversed?"
Does that mean that self examination is bad or were you a "great" student like someone who must not be named and like him, do not understand that history repeats?

"Your prejudice against Muslims shows again"

Nope.

"Perhaps a little reflection on what Christianity's views of other religions and history of oppression might change your opinion, but I doubt it"

You got anything about Christian oppression of other religions, from the last 200 years? Anything?

"To claim that because she is a Muslim, therefor she is a bigot and hates Jews is wrong."

That would be wrong. When I say she hates Jews, it' snot just because of her religion. It's because of her actions and words. I presume, and it's a safe bet, that the genesis of her animosity, comes from her religion. I could be wrong, maybe there's another source for her animosity. But I doubt it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Go to the wall for Trump as usual

"I certainly don't see anyone in Congress saying squat"

Because you get your news from godforsaken places.

"And she took responsibility and apologized"

Bit she keeps doing it. She's not sorry, if she keeps doing it. She's sorry she got caught.

"Go to the wall for Trump as usual "

Pointing out a jew hating fanatic, is going to the wall for Trump? I thought Trump was also an anti-Semite? So how is defending Jews, going to the wall for Trump?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I think it is fine if she is not a fan of Israel/Jews whether or not she happens to be Muslim. But for a politician to actually open their mouth and prove it seems irresponsible.
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What kind of district elected her anyway? Man...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim said:
"It's not about profanity, it's about religious bigotry. Her religion, isn't known for their fondness of the Jews, maybe you heard something about that."
I said:
"Your prejudice against Muslims shows again, Perhaps a little reflection on what Christianity's views of other religions and history of oppression might change your opinion, but I doubt it"

Your comment:
"Do you have a prejudice against Christians?" No

Why do you connect prejudice against Muslims specifically with Christianity?

"Why should Jim reflect on Christian views in respect to this Omar matter?"
To claim that because she is a Muslim, therefor she is a bigot and hates Jews is wrong.
Some Christian sects have and continue to conduct religious wars, torture and otherwise attack people of other religions, just as some sects of Muslims do to this day, don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Your confusing sects of a religion with the tenets of the religion in its foundational structure. There is nothing in the founding tenets of Christianity that in anyway commands the oppression of Muslims or of anybody else. The foundational structures of Islam, the Koran, the Sunnah, and the Hadith, specifically command oppression, even death, of non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians.


"And hasn't past Christian oppression been duly criticized and reversed?"
Does that mean that self examination is bad or were you a "great" student like someone who must not be named and like him, do not understand that history repeats?

Are you suggesting that a Jesus Christ will be repeated? Or that the conquests and slaughter perpetrated by Mohammad will be repeated?

[wdmso]

Still waiting on to see these vile comments.. from the evil Jew temptress

Seem this topic is the most consensus between republicans and democrats

Maybe she’s on to something
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Your prejudice against Muslims shows again"

Nope.

"Perhaps a little reflection on what Christianity's views of other religions and history of oppression might change your opinion, but I doubt it"

You got anything about Christian oppression of other religions, from the last 200 years? Anything? Bosnia 1995 8000 men and boys killed in Srebrenica is the most recent that comes to mind

"To claim that because she is a Muslim, therefor she is a bigot and hates Jews is wrong."

That would be wrong. When I say she hates Jews, it' snot just because of her religion. It's because of her actions and words. I presume, and it's a safe bet, that the genesis of her animosity, comes from her religion. I could be wrong, maybe there's another source for her animosity. But I doubt it.

You're wrong, read her words, not the sound bite.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You're wrong, read her words, not the sound bite.

"Bosnia 1995 8000 men and boys killed in Srebrenica is the most recent that comes to mind"

A sincere question...the leaders of what church, told the killers to do this? The leaders of what religion, told their followers to do this?

You can argue abortion clinic bombers are Christian terrorists, except there isn't a recognized leader of any sect of Christianity, telling them to bomb abortion clinics, because that's not in line with Christianity.

When the Pope tells me to kill Jews or Muslims, I switch religions.

"read her words, not the sound bite."

She said she wants Allah to show the world, that we are being hypnotized by Israel. That's not being opposed to Israeli policy, that's being opposed to Israel.

You claim I bend over backwards to defend Trump, when I bash him all the time. Yet you are twisting around like a contortionist, to avoid criticizing this vile hen.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Are you suggesting that a Jesus Christ will be repeated? Or that the conquests and slaughter perpetrated by Mohammad will be repeated?

What i am suggesting is that just as the Inquisition, the Crusades, was fomented by the Catholic Church, and other attacks done in the name of God by other religion or sects, that it can happen again and likely will.

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your confusing sects of a religion with the tenets of the religion in its foundational structure. There is nothing in the founding tenets of Christianity that in anyway commands the oppression of Muslims or of anybody else. The foundational structures of Islam, the Koran, the Sunnah, and the Hadith, specifically command oppression, even death, of non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians.

Men, in looking at religion, their own and others often read things into the writings that they want to see. That doesn't make it correct, except in their own mind.

Among the people there is he whose discourse on the life of the world pleases you, and he calls on God as witness to what is in his heart, yet he is an unyielding and antagonistic adversary. When he turns and leaves, he walks about corrupting the earth, destroying crops and livestock – God loves not corruption (Q2:204–205)

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Bosnia 1995 8000 men and boys killed in Srebrenica is the most recent that comes to mind"

A sincere question...the leaders of what church, told the killers to do this? The leaders of what religion, told their followers to do this?
No religious bearing when Christians kill Muslims except if your Pope tells them to?

You can argue abortion clinic bombers are Christian terrorists, except there isn't a recognized leader of any sect of Christianity, telling them to bomb abortion clinics, because that's not in line with Christianity.
Just what kind of card does this leader need to carry?

When the Pope tells me to kill Jews or Muslims, I switch religions.

"read her words, not the sound bite."

She said she wants Allah to show the world, that we are being hypnotized by Israel. That's not being opposed to Israeli policy, that's being opposed to Israel.

I too have said, God I wish people would smarten up. Particularly in discussions with you

You claim I bend over backwards to defend Trump, when I bash him all the time. Yet you are twisting around like a contortionist, to avoid criticizing this vile hen.

Because she is not anti Semitic, but wants people to be concerned about the situation in Palestine.
I agree with her that all people should be concerned about the situation there.
Don't be afraid to look
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...rael/palestine

UN Resolutions on Palestine since the 67 war
1967:
July 4: Resolution 2252: Humanitarian assistance in the 1967 war.
July 4: Resolution 2253 (ES-V): Condemns Israel's measures to change the status of Jerusalem as invalid
July 14: Resolution 2254: "Deplores" Israel's failure to abide by UN General Assembly Resolution 2253 (ES-V)
July 21: Resolution 2256: The Situation in the Middle East
September 18: Resolution 2257: The Situation in the Middle East.
November 16: Resolution 2264-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 19: Resolution 2341: Palestinian refugees
1968:
November 1: Resolution 2380-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 19: Resolution 2443: Establishes the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People.
December 19: Resolution 2452: UNRWA Report.
1969:
December 5: Resolution 2522-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 10: Resolution 2535: UNRWA Report. "Reaffirms" the "inalienable rights" of the Palestinian people and requests the Security Council to take "effective measures" to force implementation of previous UN resolutions
December 11: Resolution 2546: Condemns Israeli "violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms" in the occupied territories
1970:
November 4: Resolution 2628: Urges the speedy implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 and recognizes that "respect for the rights of the Palestinians is an indisputable element in the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East"
December 4: Resolution 2653-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 5: Resolution 2727: Calls on Israel implement the recommendations of the UN special committee investigating Israeli practices in the occupied territories
December 7: Resolution 2656: Establishment of a working group for the financing of UNRWA.
December 8: Resolution 2672: UNRWA Report.
December 15: Resolution 2728: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.
December 16: Resolution 2729: Report of the working group on the financing of the UNRWA.
1971:
November 8: Resolution 2756-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 6: Resolution 2791: Working group for the financing of UNRWA.
December 6: Resolution 2792: UNRWA Report. Calls for the implementation of UN General Assembly Resolution 194, stresses the "inalienable rights of the people of Palestine", and calls on Israel to stop resettling the inhabitants of Palestinian refugee camps.
December 13: Resolution 2799: The Situation in the Middle East.
December 20: Resolution 2851: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories. Condemns Israeli practices in the occupied territories.
1972:
November 9: Resolution 2912-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 8: Resolution 2949: The Situation in the Middle East.
December 13: Resolution 2963: UNRWA Report.
December 13: Resolution 2964: Working Group on the financing of UNRWA.
December 15: Resolution 3005: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.
1973:
October 17: Resolution 3053-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 7: Resolution 3089: UNRWA Report.
December 7: Resolution 3090: Working Group on the financing of UNRWA.
December 7: Resolution 3092: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.
December 17: Resolution 3175: Permanent sovereignty over natural resources in the occupied Arab territories.
1974:
October 14: Resolution 3210: Invites the PLO to participate in General Assembly deliberations on the question of Palestine.
November 12: Resolution 3227-D: Accounts of UNRWA.
November 22: Resolution 3236: Recognizes the right of the Palestinian people to regain its rights, including the right to self-determination and the right of return.
November 22: Resolution 3237: Observer status for the PLO.
November 29: Resolution 3240: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
November 29: Resolution 3246: Affirms the legitimacy of armed resistance by oppressed peoples in pursuit of the right to self-determination, and condemns governments which do not support that right
December 16: Resolution 3330: Working Group on the financing of UNRWA.
December 17: Resolution 3331: UNRWA Report.
December 17: Resolution 3336: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
1975:
October 30: Resolution 3370-C: Accounts of UNRWA.
November 10: Resolution 3375: Invitation to the Palestine Liberation Organization to participate in the efforts for peace in the Middle East.
November 10: Resolution 3376: Founding of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP).
December 5: Resolution 3414: Calls for economic sanctions and an arms embargo on Israel until it withdraws from all territories occupied in 1967 and grants the Palestinians their "inalienable national rights".
December 8: Resolution 3419: UNRWA report.
December 15: Resolution 3516: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
December 15: Resolution 3525: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
1976:
November 23: Resolution 31/15: UNRWA Report.
November 24: Resolution 31/20: Expresses deep concern that no "just solution" to the "problem of Palestine" has been achieved, refers to the problem as the core of the Middle East conflict, and reaffirms the "inalienable rights" of the Palestinians, including the right of return and the right to national independence.
November 29: Resolution 31/22-F: Accounts of UNRWA.
December 9: Resolution 31/62: Calls for an international Middle East peace conference under the auspices of the UN and co-chaired by the United States and Soviet Union.
December 16: Resolution 31/106: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Occupied Territories.
December 21: Resolution 31/186: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
1977:
November 25: Resolution 32/20: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and an international peace conference with PLO participation.
December 2: Resolution 32/40: Reaffirms the "inalienable rights of the Palestinian people", including the right to national sovereignty and the right of return.
December 13: Resolution 32/90: UNRWA report.
December 13: Resolution 32/91: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories. Calls on Israel to respect the Geneva Conventions
December 15: Resolution 32/111: Health needs of Palestinian refugee children.
December 19: Resolution 32/161: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
December 19: Resolution 32/171: Living conditions of the Palestinian people.
December 21: Resolution 32/212-III: Implications of extending to certain former staff members coverage by the UN Joint Staff Pension Fund for service with UNRWA.
1978:
December 7: Resolution 33/28: CEIRPP report.
December 7: Resolution 33/29: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and an international peace conference with PLO participation.
December 15: Resolution 33/81: Health needs of Palestinian refugee children.
December 18: Resolution 33/110: Living conditions of the Palestinian people.
December 18: Resolution 33/112: UNRWA report.
December 18: Resolution 33/113: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 20: Resolution 33/147: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979:
November 16: Resolution 34/29: Expressing concern over the deportation of the Bassam Shakaa, Mayor of Nablus, by Israel.
November 23: Resolution 34/52: UNRWA report.
November 29 and December 12: Resolution 34/65: CEIRPP report.
December 6: Resolution 34/70: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and an international peace conference with PLO participation.
December 11: Resolution 34/77: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
December 12: Resolution 34/90: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 14: Resolution 34/113: Living conditions of the Palestinian people.
December 14: Resolution 34/133: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 14: Resolution 34/136: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
1980:
November 3: Resolution 35/13: UNRWA report.
December 5: Resolution 35/75: Living conditions of the Palestinian people.
December 5: Resolution 35/110: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
December 5: Resolution 35/111: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 11: Resolution 35/122: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 15: Resolution 35/169: CEIRPP report.
December 16: Resolution 35/207: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and the establishment of a Palestinian state.
1981:
October 28: Resolution 36/15: Demanding that Israel desist any archaeological excavations in the Temple Mount.
December 4: Resolution 36/70: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 4: Resolution 36/73: Living conditions of the Palestinian people.
December 10: Resolution 36/120: CEIRPP report.
December 16: Resolution 36/146: UNRWA report.
December 16: Resolution 36/147: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 16: Resolution 36/150: Demands Israel to cease planning of a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
December 17: Resolution 36/173: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.
December 17: UN General Assembly Resolutions 36/226 A & B: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and the establishment of a Palestinian state.
1982:
February 5: Ninth Emergency Special Session ES/9-1: The situation in the occupied Arab territories.
November 16: Resolution 37/18: Condamns Israel refusal to implement Security Council resolution 487, and demands Israel to withdraw its threat to attack nuclear facilities of neighbouring nations.
December 10: Resolution 37/86: CEIRPP report.
December 10: Resolution 37/88: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 16: Resolution 37/120: UNRWA report.
December 16: Resolution 37/122: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
December 16: Resolution 37/123: Condemnation of Israel's alleged responsibility for the Sabra and Shatila massacre by Kataeb Party in Beirut, Lebanon; resolves that the massacre was an act of genocide; condemns acts of plundering Palestinian cultural heritage; condemns the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights; and condemns the annexation of Jerusalem.
December 17: Resolution 37/134: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 17: Resolution 37/135: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Palestinian and other Arab territories.
December 20: Resolution 37/222: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
1983:
December 13: Resolution 38/58: CEIRPP report.
December 15: Resolutions 38/79: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 15: Resolution 38/83: UNRWA report.
December 15: Resolution 38/85: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
December 19: Resolution 38/144: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Palestinian and other Arab territories.
December 19: Resolution 38/145: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 19: Resolution 38/166: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
December 19: Resolutions 38/180: Calls all nation to suspend or sever all diplomatic, economic and technological ties with Israel. Condemnation of Israel on various topics including occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights, war in Lebanon and the annexation of Jerusalem.
1984:
December 11: Resolution 39/49: CEIRPP report.
December 14: Resolutions 39/95: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 14: Resolutions 39/99: UNRWA report.
December 14: Resolution 39/101: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
December 17: Resolution 39/169: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
December 18: Resolution 39/223: Economic development projects in the occupied Palestinian territories.
December 18: Resolution 39/224: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
1985:
December 12: Resolution 40/96: CEIRPP report.
December 16: Resolutions 40/161: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 16: Resolutions 40/165: UNRWA report.
December 16: Resolution 40/167: Decides to monitor Israel decision to construct a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
December 17: Resolution 40/169: Economic development projects in the occupied Palestinian territories.
December 17: Resolution 40/170: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 17: Resolution 40/201: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
1986:
December 2: Resolution 41/43: CEIRPP report.
December 3: Resolutions 41/63: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 3: Resolutions 41/69: UNRWA report.
December 8: Resolution 41/181: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
1987:
December 2: Resolution 42/66: CEIRPP report.
December 2: Resolutions 42/69: UNRWA report.
December 8: Resolutions 42/160: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 11: Resolution 42/166: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
December 11: Resolution 42/190: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
1988:
April 20: Resolution 43/233: Expressing shock over killing of Palestinian civilians in Nahalin.
November 3: Resolution 43/21: The uprising (Intifada) of the Palestinian people.
December 6: Resolutions 43/57: UNRWA report.
December 6: Resolutions 43/58: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
December 7: Resolution 43/65: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
December 15: Resolution 43/175: CEIRPP report.
December 15: UN General Assembly Resolution 43/176: International Peace Conference; principles for peace
December 15: UN General Assembly Resolution 43/177: Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine on 15 November 1988.
December 20: Resolution 43/178: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
2012
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 66/225 (2012)
November 29: resolution 67/19: Made Palestine a non-member observer state.
2018
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 73/5 (2018): Appoints Palestine as presiding chair for the 2019 sessions for the Group of 77.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What i am suggesting is that just as the Inquisition, the Crusades, was fomented by the Catholic Church, and other attacks done in the name of God by other religion or sects, that it can happen again and likely will.

The Srebrenica massacre in 1995 was not done in the name of God. The Bosnian war was basically an ethnic war. It was "ethnic cleansing." The Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) were officialy accepted to be an ethnic or national identity by the Yugoslav government. When the Serbian dominated Yugoslavia was broken apart in WWII, the animosities between, Serbs, Croats, Bosnians flared up into violent internecine massacres which was quelled for a while under the Communist reunification under Tito. But the underlying ethnic hate for each other erupted when Yugoslavia was again dissolved into the different national entities. Ethnic Croats who were Christians were also killed by Serbs, and vice versa.

The Crusades were a thousand years ago. And they were not unprovoked Christian wars against Islam. Islam had been the invader of Christian Europe and the brutal massacre or conversion and oppression of Christians in the Middle East. The Crusades were a retaking of and return of land to Christians. They were not intended to eliminate Islam from the earth. When the U.S. fought the Barbary Pirates, it was a retaliatory war, not an attempt to eliminate or conquer Islam. When Bush invaded Iraq, It was not a Christian holy war. There is no indication, nor any inclination, that Christianity wants a war with Islam. Such a war is not mandated nor desired in the tenets of Christianity. But such a war against Christians, Jews, and all non-Muslims is mandated in the sacred scriptures and foundation of Islam.

You can fear Christians if you wish. I wouldn't want to waste time dissuading you. But I think your fears are exaggerated, and probably of the wrong religion.

Men, in looking at religion, their own and others often read things into the writings that they want to see. That doesn't make it correct, except in their own mind.

Among the people there is he whose discourse on the life of the world pleases you, and he calls on God as witness to what is in his heart, yet he is an unyielding and antagonistic adversary. When he turns and leaves, he walks about corrupting the earth, destroying crops and livestock – God loves not corruption (Q2:204–205)

I don't read anything into the Religion of Islam. I read what the leaders and ruling clerics of Islam say and have said. I've quoted them in previous threads about Islam on this forum. They say, categorically, that Islam is not compatible with democracy, especially Western style democracy. And the scripture they follow commands them to do Jihad against the unbelievers. Jihad of the sword if necessary and possible. It is only a religion of peace when it rules. And all the privileges of peace it speaks about applies to Muslims. Not to unbelievers.

And those good Muslims that want to get along with the rest of the world admit that their religion needs to be reformed. In their mind, there are Muslims who, personally, practice a reformed version. But the official hierarchies of the Religion have no illusions about reform. They recoil at the notion that their perfect religion needs any change. That would be blasphemy against Allah and Mohammad. So, until the high official leaders of the Religion say so, it has not yet been reformed.

As for Christianity, the religion seems to be transforming in many ways to a more secularly oriented social justice ministry. More and more in some cases to a Progressive ministry. That may be even more frightening to those who want to protect Western civilization

Actually, the loss of will to war against enemies that use our own laws against us, is more worrisome than the notion that Christians are now prone to go on some crusade.

[Jim in CT]

Pete -

Detbuch is right, the notion that the Christians were the aggressors in the Crusades is, to be charitable, debatable.

I also asked about Bosnia because I wasn't sure if it was Christians massacring others in the name of religion. Your facts could use some shoring up.

"No religious bearing when Christians kill Muslims except if your Pope tells them to?"

Doesn't have to be the Pope, but needs to be an accepted leader. If I tell Catholics to bomb abortion clinics, and some nut listens to me, that's not the fault of the Catholic Church, because "the Church" didn't tell anyone to do such a thing.

With the jihadists, it's a very different story.

"I too have said, God I wish people would smarten up"

Yes, because that's exactly the same as saying "Allah, please let the world see how Isreal has hypnotized them."

I'm trying to treat you like an adult, you don't make it easy with insane equivalencies like that.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm trying to treat you like an adult, you don't make it easy with insane equivalencies like that.

that's pretty funny

I hope IO and AOC continue to be outspoken....I wish pete would be put on a word count

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

that's pretty funny

I hope IO and AOC continue to be outspoken....I wish pete would be put on a word count

I hear you, but I can't equate those two, AOC is as entertaining and harmless as a dim-witted puppy who chews its tail because it hasn't figured out that the back half is connected to the front half. . Omar is dangerous, I wouldn't want more than one of her. And clearly she thinks the Jews are a bit much.

The democrats really have a challenge on their hands, to contain those 2, plus that other Muslim nut from Michigan who thought it was funny that she called Trump an m-fer to her child. Ha ha ha, please stop my stomach hurts from laughing.

This freshman class of fanatical liberal hens is really something...whew. They make Obama look like Eisenhower.

[scottw]

rut...roh...

Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar ripped former President Barack Obama in an interview published Friday, belittling his “pretty face” and saying his agenda of hope and change was an illusion.

She cited the “caging of kids” at the Mexican border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch — and argued that he wasn’t much different from President Trump

“We can’t be only upset with Trump,” the freshman firebrand told Politico Magazine.

“And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

rut...roh...

Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar ripped former President Barack Obama in an interview published Friday, belittling his “pretty face” and saying his agenda of hope and change was an illusion.

She cited the “caging of kids” at the Mexican border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch — and argued that he wasn’t much different from President Trump

“We can’t be only upset with Trump,” the freshman firebrand told Politico Magazine.

“And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

well, well!!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I think it is fine if she is not a fan of Israel/Jews whether or not she happens to be Muslim. But for a politician to actually open their mouth and prove it seems irresponsible.
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It was clumsy politically but I don't think she said anything really that inflammatory. You're going to tell me that Israeli lobbyists don't influence US politics with their money or that our politicians are typically expected to turn a blind eye to much of their behavior?

Being a Muslim also worked against her. Hell, Republicans have conflated her with 9/11 and on FOX News it was said because she wears a headscarf she must subscribe to Sharia Law over the US Constitution.

[Sea Dangles]

There was a good segment on this poor decision this morning. She has little support but gets a lot of attention. Most would agree it was a bad idea politically and proves a lack of understanding as to why Israel gets the support from the United States.
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