fireworks with Trump in DC

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ohh he lies, he is just not anywhere as competent at clearing up the lying as his predecessor and he doesn't have the benefit of the media that generally covered Obama favorably.

Had Obama been a real centrist or a moderate rather than a progressive he could have been great - he was just great to his fans.

What did Obama ever lie about?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

What did Obama ever lie about?
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• “If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”
• “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.”
• Benghazi was result of a video (it was a planned attack by local forces )
• Calling ISIS the JV team and then saying he didn't
• “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.”
• “I’m proud of the fact that with two weeks to go, we’re probably the first administration in modern history that hasn’t had a major scandal in the White House.”
• That the Obama Administration will be the most Transparent, ever.
• He certainly lied on Hillary's email server - he knew.
• And of course this winner: Hillary is most qualified presidential candidate in history

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

• “If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”
• “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.”
• Benghazi was result of a video (it was a planned attack by local forces )
• Calling ISIS the JV team and then saying he didn't
• “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.”
• “I’m proud of the fact that with two weeks to go, we’re probably the first administration in modern history that hasn’t had a major scandal in the White House.”
• That the Obama Administration will be the most Transparent, ever.
• He certainly lied on Hillary's email server - he knew.
• And of course this winner: Hillary is most qualified presidential candidate in history

None of those are lies.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

None of those are lies.

He sure was wrong a lot, about some big things. Possibly not lies, but a lot of yuuge mistakes.

How about when he said the McCain campaign was going to make people afraid that Obama was black?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

None of those are lies.

So you're saying he was stupid?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So you're saying he was stupid?
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This is what is known, as backing someone into a corner, from which there is literally no escape.

[wdmso]

love all the defection But but Hillary or But but Obama . rather than answers the issues at hand and the behavior

What abut the GOP and SALT in their tax cut

The deduction reduces income taxes for millions of families across the country. Nationwide, almost 30 percent of taxpayers benefit — and at least 17 percent of households in every state benefit. The Republican tax plan would eliminate the deduction, which disproportionately benefits the upper middle class, largely to help pay for tax cuts for the very wealthy.

or attacks on 401K's

All theses things may or may not happen the issue is that that are even talking about it which clears shows me they dont care about the avg Joe or the Middle class and many here have been blinded by their BS and once again support a plan and party and POTUS that goes against their own self interest

ignore comments from Republicans against Trump and excuse them away

Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused and countenanced as “telling it like it is,” when it is actually just reckless, outrageous, and undignified. Jeff flake

"Helping inspire divisions because it generates support from your political base is not a formula for causing our nation to advance, our nation to overcome the many issues we have to deal with right now," Corker said.

Donald Trump hasn’t shown the stability or competency to succeed as president, Corker


Trumps lack of service John McCain

"One aspect of the conflict, by the way, that I will never, ever countenance is that we drafted the lowest income level of America, and the highest income level found a doctor that would say they had a bone spur. That is wrong. That is wrong. If we are going to ask every American to serve, every American should serve."


direction of Trump vision John McCain

“They (europe) would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood, and race, and sectarianism. They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see toward immigrants, and refugees, and minority groups, especially Muslims. They would be alarmed by the growing inability, and even unwillingness to separate truth from lies. They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent.”

now these men once pillars of the GOP are seen a Traitors by trumps base and some here towards the Supreme leader Donald Trump these things are all happening closing one eyes and plugging your ears and closing one mouth only shows support for the madness displayed .. dont blame the media or the fake news or liberals just look in the mirror if you want to blame anyone .... and repeat the conservative mantra its all about personal responsibility.. its the Fable of the Snake

One winter a farmer (voter)found a snake (Trump)stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The warmth quickly revived the Snake, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

its the Fable of the Snake

One winter a farmer (voter)found a snake (Trump)stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The warmth quickly revived the Snake, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound.

You do realize that you can make anyone or any group or any ideology the "snake" in your fable. e.g.--Obama, Clinton, illegal immigrants, Muslim refugees, McCain, Democrat Party, Republican Party, Socialism, etc. The "snake" is in the eye of the beholder.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So you're saying he was stupid?
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Bad info. Things change. Etc...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Bad info. Things change. Etc...

Isn't most stupidity the result of bad info?

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Isn't most stupidity the result of bad info?

No.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

What did Obama ever lie about?
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Easier to list what he did NOT lie about!


He certainly did not try to tell the truth about the IRS targeting conservatives. If you need links to timeline of his lies and cover ups, just search, it's all there on the internet.

from 2015

On The Daily Show, President Obama blamed Republicans for the IRS scandal:

“You’ve got this back office, and they’re going after the Tea Party. Well, it turned out, no, Congress had passed a crummy law that didn’t give people guidance in terms of what it was they were trying to do. They did it poorly and stupidly. The truth of the matter is that there was not some big conspiracy there. They were trying to sort out these conflicting demands. You don’t want all this money pouring through non-for- profits, but you also want to make sure everybody is being treated fairly.”

Really, Mr. President? For effect, perhaps he should reprise his testy “not even a smidgen of corruption” remark to Fox News. The President keeps claiming there is no evidence the IRS was used for political targeting. You be the judge:



And now the IRS is apologizing when they should be prosecuted not apologizing.


Do you want to get into the Russian collusion beginning with uranium?

you asked


Let's ALL make America great again

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

He certainly did not try to tell the truth about the IRS targeting conservatives. If you need links to timeline of his lies and cover ups, just search, it's all there on the internet.

The IRS wasn't targeting conservatives.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by spence

The IRS wasn't targeting conservatives.

Bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.
The Tea Party are conservatives and they were certainly targeted by the IRS on orders
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.
The Tea Party are conservatives and they were certainly targeted by the IRS on orders
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Hahahahahaha nope.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The IRS wasn't targeting conservatives.

Funny, the DOJ concluded otherwise, and settled lawsuits with conservative groups who were victimized. If Obama said the earth was flat, would you believe it?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Funny, the DOJ concluded otherwise, and settled lawsuits with conservative groups who were victimized. If Obama said the earth was flat, would you believe it?

They found the IRS acted improperly out of convenience, not political motivation.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

They found the IRS acted improperly out of convenience, not political motivation.

"conservative groups that had their applications for tax exempt status delayed “based solely on their viewpoint or ideology"

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/26/ju..._medium=Social