3 more cops assassinated, Obama says we eed to focus on words that unite

[Jim in CT]

Obama says we need to focus on words that unite. The same guy who...

sat in Rev Wrights "church" for 20 years
said that people in the Midwest are bitter clingers
said that the Cambridge police acted stupidly
said that Republicans gotta stop just hating all the time
said that cops killing black men are not isolated incidents'
has invited Al Sharpton to the Oval Office dozens of times to talk about race.

Nothing hypocritical about Obama saying we need to unite. Nope.

Where leaders lead, followers will follow. Obama has done everything humanly possible to demonize those who disagree with him.

Boy does he have chutzpah.

[Jim in CT]

8 years on non-stop divisive rhetoric, all to garner political capital, and all of a sudden, he cares about unity. If he is leading by example, tell him to stop, I can't take any more racial healing.

The divisive rhetoric literally started on day 1, at his inaugural, let today be remembered as the day the ocean stopped rising and the planet began to heal. That's not a narcissist.

[wdmso]

divisive rhetoric literally started on day 1 or just being black because thats what it has always been about ...

The POTUS does not support the killing of police by citizens nor does he support the killing of citizens by the police
but what can I say white people will suggest that he does and even place Blame like Jim Has .. jim you have done everything humanly possible to demonize him. because you disagree .. truth or facts need not apply but then again they never have in the past 8 years

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

divisive rhetoric literally started on day 1 or just being black because thats what it has always been about ...

The POTUS does not support the killing of police by citizens nor does he support the killing of citizens by the police
but what can I say white people will suggest that he does and even place Blame like Jim Has .. jim you have done everything humanly possible to demonize him. because you disagree .. truth or facts need not apply but then again they never have in the past 8 years

There's liberalism, in one post.

I point out irrefutable, factual examples of repugnant, divisive rhetoric Obama has used. Irrefutable facts. You can't begin to claim that I am wrong. So you do all that liberalism has trained you to do, and you call me a racist.

Pathetic and entirely predictable.

"The POTUS does not support the killing of police by citizens"

Another example of liberalism. You respond to something which no one has said. I never, ever said that Obama supports assassinations of cops. But he pours fuel on the fire, when he says that the cops' killing of black men are not isolated incidents. He legitimizes genuine racial hatred, by having a nut like Al Sharpton as a go-to guy on race relations.

Again, there's no way any liberal could ever honestly refute anything I said. So you respond to something crazy that I never came close to saying.

That's what liberals do. When backed into a corner from which there is no escape, play the race card, and put gibberish words in the other person's mouth. You couldn't have done more to perpetuate the stereotype.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The POTUS does not support the killing of police by citizens nor does he support the killing of citizens by the police

Nobody is saying that he condones any of this....

The problem is that every time a tragedy like this occurs and he is presented an opportunity to lead.....he doesn't. He tries to placate everyone and often says/does something which fuels the divisiveness.

He needs to understand that he is EVERY citizens president.....not just the ones who voted for him. He needs to address the US with inclusiveness, not by singling out specific groups. He needs to think a little more before he says something.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nobody is saying that he condones any of this....

The problem is that every time a tragedy like this occurs and he is presented an opportunity to lead.....he doesn't. He tries to placate everyone and often says/does something which fuels the divisiveness.

He needs to understand that he is EVERY citizens president.....not just the ones who voted for him. He needs to address the US with inclusiveness, not by singling out specific groups. He needs to think a little more before he says something.
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This.

You may not have liked his positions (I often didn't) but GWB did not try to continually divide the country blaming everyone else for the ills of the country. THe press pilloried him (funny how that is not the same with this administration).

I had real hope that Obama would have improved race relations in this country. I have lived in times and places that everyone was on the same page regardless of race and I was naive to think Obama could bring us closer to that time.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nobody is saying that he condones any of this....

The problem is that every time a tragedy like this occurs and he is presented an opportunity to lead.....he doesn't. He tries to placate everyone and often says/does something which fuels the divisiveness.

He needs to understand that he is EVERY citizens president.....not just the ones who voted for him. He needs to address the US with inclusiveness, not by singling out specific groups. He needs to think a little more before he says something.
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"Nobody is saying that he condones any of this...."

Obviously.

"tries to placate everyone "

I have to disagree with that. I don't see him trying to do much to placate the tens of millions of people who didn't vote for him. I see him trying to demonize them. That "bitter clingers" comment, which he made when he didn't know anyone was recording and thus is likely how he really feels, tells you everything that you need to know, about how he views conservatives.

"He needs to understand that he is EVERY citizens president"

BINGO. He has never made any attempt to be my president. He doesn't even try to hide his contempt for conservatives. Say what you want about Bush's policies, he never (from what I recall, I could be wrong) went so far out of his way to continuously alienate all the liberals. He did things they disagreed with obviously, but he didn't engage in endless personal attacks.

[spence]

Exhibit A.

[buckman]

Is there a reason he won't light the Whitehouse blue ? I know it's purely symbolic and just shows your support but isn't that why it was done in the rainbow colors also .
Once again he had an opportunity and he chose not to do it . Can one of his defenders explain that ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Is there a reason he won't light the Whitehouse blue ? I know it's purely symbolic and just shows your support but isn't that why it was done in the rainbow colors also .
Once again he had an opportunity and he chose not to do it . Can one of his defenders explain that ?
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So ordering flags to be flown at half mast isn't the more appropriate response?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

So ordering flags to be flown at half mast isn't the more appropriate response?

That goes without even saying, kind of like black lives matter, of course they matter, it goes without saying.

the question was about lighting the white house with blue lights as a sign of support, it would go a long way if it was.

if we don't strongly speak out against the killing of police, then we are no longer civilized. It's about doing the right thing.
7-1/2 years in, and I'm not sure he is going to take the correct advice from anyone. Perception is reality

[DZ]

There is an old adage in America that if something happens on your watch you can take credit for it, but also must take the blame for it. POTUS has been quick to take credit for economic recovery and should also take a good share of the blame for what has happened with race relations in his two terms. This will be part of his legacy.

Then I was reading an article in the Huffington post this weekend that mentioned that the term "All Lives Matter" is racist and incites violence. All I could do is shake my head.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

So ordering flags to be flown at half mast isn't the more appropriate response?

You didn't answer the question of course .
Ordering the flags flown at half mast was the correct thing to do . Hope he wasn't doing it just to form some kind of "appropriate response"
At the rate things are going , half mast seems to be the norm . Very sad
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=buckman;1104475]Is there a reason he won't light the Whitehouse blue ? I know it's purely symbolic and just shows your support but isn't that why it was done in the rainbow colors also .
Once again he had an opportunity and he chose not to do it . Can one of his defenders explain that ?
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And putting the Blue lights doesn't show show support Personal this Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association has no sway.. and i see it as him giving his ASSOCIATION AKA lobbyist some attention

And if you cant understand the sea change that came with the gay marriage and how many lives of American it changed cant help you with that

Do we expect the white House to light up the marine corps colors when we lost 6 marines 2015 http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...rash/27483577/

of course not ... but some how ordering Flag half staff Nation wide isn't enough of a show off support .. but blue lights are ? all this from the we'll never be happy about Obama no matter what he does crowd

[buckman]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1104505][QUOTE=buckman;1104475]Is there a reason he won't light the Whitehouse blue ? I know it's purely symbolic and just shows your support but isn't that why it was done in the rainbow colors also .
Once again he had an opportunity and he chose not to do it . Can one of his defenders explain that ?
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And putting the Blue lights doesn't show show support Personal this Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association has no sway.. and i see it as him giving his ASSOCIATION AKA lobbyist some attention

And if you cant understand the sea change that came with the gay marriage and how many lives of American it changed cant help you with that

Do we expect the white House to light up the marine corps colors when we lost 6 marines 2015 http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...rash/27483577/

of course not ... but some how ordering Flag half staff Nation wide isn't enough of a show off support .. but blue lights are ? all this from the we'll never be happy about Obama no matter what he does crowd[/QUOTE

All that and you can't answer my question . You know everything but the answers .
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[wdmso]

I did you just dont like my answer

[scottw]

Obama's Chickens are Coming Home To Roost

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I did you just dont like my answer

Can you answer my question? If I call Obama divisive, and I list a multitude of quotes that are irrefutably attributed to Obama to support that...then how am I a racist? Just because I criticized him?

Have fun!

[PaulS]

I disagree. Nothing he says or does other than lighting the White House blue will show he really is supporting the victims.

And I don't know why he won't say "radical islamic terrorism". If he does all our terrorism problems go away.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And I don't know why he won't say "radical islamic terrorism". If he does all our terrorism problems go away.

Again, liberalism 101 says that when the facts and common sense are against you (as they often will be when you are a liberal), instead of responding to what people are saying, make believe they are saying something crazy, and respond to that.

No one thinks that the problem goes away if he says out loud what the reality is. But it makes him appear more honest, more serious, less radical, more grounded, and slightly less foolish.

Where leaders lead, followers will follow. When he says something idiotic, like comparing Islamic atrocities with those of other religions (God knows I am just as concerned with the Mormons as I am with Muslims), some people (Spence comes to mind), who don't question anything Obama says, might believe it's true.

The man has the biggest pulpit in the world. Words matter. The truth matters. Maybe not to liberals (based on your kooky accusation that anyone thinks terrorism will go away if he says it out loud), but many people (most of whom Obama would dismiss as bitter clingers) believe that speaking the truth, has value.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Words matter. The truth matters.

That is so funny I had to quote it 2x.

From a person who is a member of a group where like 50% believed he the Pres. was a Muslim and think he was born in Kenya. Also, where EVERY Presidential candidate was judged to have been more dishonest then EVERY Presidential candidate of the Dem. party.

Jus saw on the news Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speach. She should just admit she used part of other people's speach - no big deal. But it is the Trump way.

[DZ]

Just saw the Melania plagiarism story - sounds like she needs to apologize and probably fire one of the speech writers.

That said the rest of the convention's first night was outstanding.

[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

Just saw the Melania plagiarism story - sounds like she needs to apologize and probably fire one of the speech writers.

That said the rest of the convention's first night was outstanding.

I doubt she had any idea, it was a PR stunt to grab headlines.

It was pretty terrifying to be honest. My favorite was the interview with Antonio Sabato after his speech where he claimed Obama was a Muslim and sided with the Middle East.

Also good were the 13 hours guys who pushed the stand down order even though 8 investigations haven't found any evidence.

It's just a reality TV show convention for a reality TV show campaign.

As much as some people dislike Clinton I simply can't fathom how Trump can get a moment's consideration. Vote for Johnson or write someone in. Please.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jus saw on the news Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speach. She should just admit she used part of other people's speach - no big deal. But it is the Trump way.

Any thoughts on Patricia Smith's speech ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Any thoughts on Patricia Smith's speech ?
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I think the way FOX and the GOP have exploited her grief is nothing short of astonishingly shameful.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That is so funny I had to quote it 2x.

From a person who is a member of a group where like 50% believed he the Pres. was a Muslim and think he was born in Kenya. Also, where EVERY Presidential candidate was judged to have been more dishonest then EVERY Presidential candidate of the Dem. party.

Jus saw on the news Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speach. She should just admit she used part of other people's speach - no big deal. But it is the Trump way.

"like 50% believed he the Pres. was a Muslim"

That was embarrassing. Speaking for myself, I wish he were a Muslim, because that's a lot easier for me to fathom, than whatever you call a lunatic who worships at the altar of Rev Wright.

"where EVERY Presidential candidate was judged to have been more dishonest then EVERY Presidential candidate of the Dem. party. "

And I'm sure that study was very scientific and un-biased. That's something that cannot be quantified. You are either a compulsive liar or you're not.

"Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speech"

Yep. If you're going to plagiarize someone, how about stealing form someone who has something worthwhile to say, like Churchill, rather than a horse's ass like Michelle Obama? But again, since Joe Biden is your vice president, I find it curious that you are offended by plagiarism. He got caught red-handed plagiarizing, and I don't recall you ever bashing him for it - maybe I missed that. What do you expect from a bubbleheaded, gold-digging beauty queen like Mrs Trump?

Good lord, how did it come to this?

[PaulS]

I think he won't do it bc he knows it will make the teabaggers angrier and angrier.

Words matter, the truth matters - that is a good one.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think he won't do it bc he knows it will make the teabaggers angrier and angrier.

.

In other words, you think he's a spiteful, vindictive little brat. Glad I got you to inadvertently admit that...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In other words, you think he's a spiteful, vindictive little brat. Glad I got you to inadvertently admit that...

I think he is just throwing it in their face. Call it what you will.

Prob. better than your usual "he is a POS".

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think he won't do it bc he knows it will make the teabaggers angrier and angrier.

yeah...remember all of those angry tea party terrorists shooting, looting and disrupting traffic and people's lives...that was great