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12-01-2019, 06:07 PM
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Why the Elecotoral College
This is a not too long presentation of the importance of the Electoral College as opposed to the popular vote. The first 14 or so minutes is introduction and a brief look at the Constitution, then the rest of the 25 minutes or so on the Electoral College and the importance of state power vs federal power.
It is not wonkish, but a plain language and engaging discussion. Please watch.
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12-02-2019, 09:08 AM
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And if for a minute ifYou think Republicans wouldn't take issue to winning the popular vote and losing 2 presidential elections. Your a partisan hack.
Wyoming has three electoral votes and a population of 586,107, while California has 55 electoral votes and 39,144,818 residents. Distributing the electoral vote evenly among each state’s residents suggests that individual votes from Wyoming carry 3.6 times more influence, or weight, than those from California
Ya ok thats what the framers had in mind when it was written
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12-02-2019, 09:43 AM
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Ya ok thats what the framers had in mind when it was written
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Well, yeah, it is.
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12-02-2019, 01:14 PM
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Well, yeah, it is.
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it’s precisely, exactly what they had in mind. State’s rights.
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12-02-2019, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
it’s precisely, exactly what they had in mind. State’s rights.
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Keeps the big states from eating the little states 
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12-02-2019, 03:27 PM
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Keeps the big states from eating the little states
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the snowflakes are saying the electoral college was implemented because of racism and slavery. Nothing like revising history to fit your narrative, next they’ll say it was all hitlers idea.
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12-02-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
And if for a minute ifYou think Republicans wouldn't take issue to winning the popular vote and losing 2 presidential elections. Your a partisan hack.
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fake news |
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12-02-2019, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso
Wyoming has three electoral votes and a population of 586,107, while California has 55 electoral votes and 39,144,818 residents. Distributing the electoral vote evenly among each state’s residents suggests that individual votes from Wyoming carry 3.6 times more influence, or weight, than those from California
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Not really. The more populous states have more members in the House and so their votes carry more weight in the legislation that Congress passes. The one check that is constitutionally left (since the 17A created election of Senators by popular vote instead of appointment by state legislators) to smaller states from being tyrannized by larger ones is the Electoral College. Otherwise, what is the necessity for the existence of different states. Do you believe that states are necessary? |
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12-02-2019, 09:32 AM
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If you think it needed reform before this last election then maybe it wouldn’t come off as sour grapes. But we both know that is not the case.
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12-03-2019, 10:08 AM
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post that is dumb.
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12-03-2019, 11:28 AM
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post that is dumb.
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This is something new?
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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12-03-2019, 11:28 AM
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This is something new?
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As I said earlier - you are a vile person. |
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12-03-2019, 01:55 PM
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Big hugs for you 🤷🏽#^&♂️
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12-03-2019, 03:12 PM
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waiting for one of them to call it the electrical college  |
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12-05-2019, 12:07 AM
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Hey, wdmso, I asked you earlier in this thread if you believe that our separate states are necessary. That is not an idle question. It is critical to the type of government we have. It is an essential element that differentiates whether we are a constitutional republic or a Progressive democracy.
I have asked this question a few times before and never gotten a response. You seem quite willing and unafraid to respond to just about any question or opinion. What is your opinion? Is it necessary for our country to have and be divided by separate states?
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12-05-2019, 07:20 AM
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Hey, wdmso, I asked you earlier in this thread if you believe that our separate states are necessary. That is not an idle question. It is critical to the type of government we have. It is an essential element that differentiates whether we are a constitutional republic or a Progressive democracy.
I have asked this question a few times before and never gotten a response. You seem quite willing and unafraid to respond to just about any question or opinion. What is your opinion? Is it necessary for our country to have and be divided by separate states?
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he won’t answer, he can’t. he doesn’t want to say we don’t need states, but if he admits we need states, he justifies the electoral college. it was a perfect question. perfect.
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12-05-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Hey, wdmso, I asked you earlier in this thread if you believe that our separate states are necessary. That is not an idle question. It is critical to the type of government we have. It is an essential element that differentiates whether we are a constitutional republic or a Progressive democracy.
I have asked this question a few times before and never gotten a response. You seem quite willing and unafraid to respond to just about any question or opinion. What is your opinion? Is it necessary for our country to have and be divided by separate states?
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Haveing states? Who said anything about. Not having states ? Or if they are nessary?
Define your question nessary for What?
Or are you suggesting with out the college states will no longer exist?
Electoral College votes gives citizens in less populated states (e.g. Wyoming) as much as four times the voting power as those in more populous states (e.g. California) i cant help if you dont see this as an issue..
Or that any candidate need not go to any other state other than swing state and appeal to this limited audience
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12-05-2019, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Haveing states? Who said anything about. Not having states ? Or if they are nessary?
Define your question nessary for What?
Or are you suggesting with out the college states will no longer exist?
Electoral College votes gives citizens in less populated states (e.g. Wyoming) as much as four times the voting power as those in more populous states (e.g. California) i cant help if you dont see this as an issue..
Or that any candidate need not go to any other state other than swing state and appeal to this limited audience
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if it wasn’t for the electoral
college, no candidate would
ever go to the midwest. Obviously i wouldn’t like the results if the electoral college were giving wins to the democrats. but it was a brilliant and necessary move by the founding fathers. And if enough people agree with you, there is a mechanism to change it.
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12-05-2019, 09:13 AM
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Or that any candidate need not go to any other state other than swing state and appeal to this limited audience
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if only someone had bothered to tell Hilary that, maybe she wouldn’t have spent all her time getting hugged in CA and NY, and maybe she would have won.
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12-05-2019, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
if only someone had bothered to tell Hilary that, maybe she wouldn’t have spent all her time getting hugged in CA and NY, and maybe she would have won.
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I agree ,, but whats the fix? not looking to abolish anything clearly things need a tune up
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12-05-2019, 10:37 AM
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I agree ,, but whats the fix? not looking to abolish anything clearly things need a tune up
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Not really
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12-05-2019, 10:56 AM
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I agree ,, but whats the fix? not looking to abolish anything clearly things need a tune up
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Only half the country thinks it is broken.
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12-05-2019, 11:29 AM
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I agree ,, but whats the fix? not looking to abolish anything clearly things need a tune up
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a very fair question. my opinion, it’s working exactly how it was intended to work, votes in small states matter a bit more. here in my state of CT which is very blue, sometimes i feel
like my vote is meaningless.
No fix required in my opinion, candidates obviously need to be aware that they need to campaign there.
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12-05-2019, 11:25 AM
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Wasn't the EC created to protect slave owners?
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12-05-2019, 11:29 AM
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Wasn't the EC created to protect slave owners?
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that’s the latest from those willing to revise history.
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12-05-2019, 02:55 PM
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Cry me a River Petey.
Nobody cares. But hey, it keeps YOU busy.
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12-05-2019, 03:38 PM
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Cry me a River Petey.
Nobody cares. But hey, it keeps YOU busy.
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Oscar, go crawl back in your can, obviously a number of people here are just blindly reciting baloney they have heard or read.
I realize that history and education are antithetical to belief in Trump, but I still have hope for America. |
Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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12-05-2019, 04:43 PM
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obviously a number of people here are just blindly reciting baloney they have heard or read.
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a tad ironic you of all people, would complain about that of all things.
A trump bashing article? better post it!
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12-05-2019, 10:28 PM
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a tad ironic you of all people, would complain about that of all things.
A trump bashing article? better post it!
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What I posted had zero to do with Floridaman
But with you it’s all about defending him and claiming you don’t really like him.
Sort of like a beaten wife saying it’s not his fault.
You just keep believing, your children will pay for your obedience.
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Lets Go Darwin
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12-06-2019, 05:07 AM
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But with you it’s all about defending him and claiming you don’t really like him.
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it's because the democraps are sooooo much worse...not that complicated really...you are as crazed and obsessed as they are....you only needed to watch those three loons they rolled out as "experts" the other morning...the left has completely lost it and can't be trusted with ANYTHING |
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