didn't take long

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

There's no Civil War amongst the Democrats.

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right...they are more likely to slap fight...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

right...they are more likely to slap fight...

don’t forget pinching.
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[Pete F.]

Probably a RINO
MIKE PENCE: “President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone. And frankly, there is no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president."
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Probably a RINO
MIKE PENCE: “President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone. And frankly, there is no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president."
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i think he’s spot on, and the Federalist Society cheered him, didn’t they?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So, what are the conservative winning issues that you have faith in? Everything Trump Touchs Dies

That's a conservative issue? A "winning issue"? So a "Conservative" candidate running on the "issue" that everything Trump Touches Dies, that the covid vaccines died, would be the ticket to getting elected?

Orwell said, “In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

You should try Orwell's revolutionary act instead of telling lies, half truths, and deceptions in order to destroy Trump. You fit well with the time of deceit.

The GOP is censuring Cheney and Kinzinger for one reason: They’re telling the truth about the party and Donald Trump's attempt to overturn an American election. And the GOP wants to shut them up.

The GOP differs with you about the reasons to censure Cheney and Kinzinger. They explain it in their censure resolution, none of which comports with your accusation. And the censure will not "shut up" Cheney and Kinzinger as you claim. Here is the reasoning in their own words contrary to your deceitful insinuation about "the truth":

The primary mission of the Republican Party is to elect Republicans who support the United States Constitution and share our values;

The Biden Administration and Democrats in Congress have embarked on a systematic effort to replace liberty with socialism; eliminate border security in favor of lawless, open borders; create record inflation designed to steal the American dream from our children and
grandchildren; neuter our national defense and a peace through strength foreign policy; replace President Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed” with incompetence and illegal mandates; and destroy
America’s economy with the Green New Deal;

Winning back the majority in Congress, including the United States House of Representatives, in 2022 must be the primary goal of the House Republican Conference (“Conference”) and requires all Republicans working together to accomplish the same;

The Conference must design the strategy to stop the radical Biden agenda and retire Nancy Pelosi, tasks which require that all Republicans pull in the same direction;

The Conference must not be sabotaged by Representatives Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who have demonstrated, with actions and words, that they support Democrat efforts to destroy President Trump more than they support winning back a Republican majority in 2022;

Representatives Cheney and Kinzinger have engaged in actions in their positions as members of the January 6th Select Committee not befitting Republican members of Congress, which include the Committee’s disregard for minority rights, traditional checks and balances, due process, and adherence to other precedent and rules of the U.S. House and which seem intent on advancing a political agenda to buoy the Democrat Party’s bleak prospects in the upcoming
midterm elections;

Congressional Republicans bear ultimate responsibility for their own success or failure and the RNC supports their efforts by denouncing those who deliberately jeopardize victory in November on which the future of our constitutional republic depends at this critical
moment in history;

Representatives Cheney and Kinzinger purport to be members of the Republican Party; and Representatives Cheney and Kinzinger are participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse, and they are both
utilizing their past professed political affiliation to mask Democrat abuse of prosecutorial power for partisan purposes


To be clear, apparently Ronna's not calling the actual violent attack on the U.S. Capitol "legitimate political discourse" — she's just calling the preceding conspiracy to overturn the election, seize voting machines and execute a coup "legitimate political discourse."

No, you're lying again. She referred specifically to the "Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse" on Jan6.

As far as just tourists caught up in misdemeanors

Didn't watch the video, but you're overplaying the "tourists" bit. Very deceitful.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Didn't watch the video, but you're overplaying the "tourists" bit. Very deceitful.

Didn’t read the Mueller Report
Didn’t see Trump say that
Didn’t see any of the terrorists on J6
Nothing may disturb the narrative
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Didn’t read the Mueller Report

I read Mueller's conclusions. I've read that the Russiagate thing has been "debunked."

Didn’t see Trump say that

Say what?

Didn’t see any of the terrorists on J6

Wasn't there but saw videos of the rioters.

Nothing may disturb the narrative
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I try, but you're too steeped in it that nothing can disturb it. You even have to resort to repetitive lying, deceit, propaganda, supposition, conjecture, and ridiculous memes to support it.

You once asked me if I ever thought I could be wrong. I answered honestly that I always consider that I might be. I didn't return the favor by asking you the same question. It just doesn't seem plausible that someone who so easily, remorselessly, resorts to constant deceptions could possibly, if he had a functioning conscience, admit that he might be wrong.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I try, but you're too steeped in it that nothing can disturb it. You even have to resort to repetitive lying, deceit, propaganda, supposition, conjecture, and ridiculous memes to support it.

You once asked me if I ever thought I could be wrong. I answered honestly that I always consider that I might be. I didn't return the favor by asking you the same question. It just doesn't seem plausible that someone who so easily, remorselessly, resorts to constant deceptions could possibly, if he had a functioning conscience, admit that he might be wrong.

Social science will reveal that as the Republican Party became increasingly conservative, building a base with the religious right, it became the authoritarian party. That authoritarianism revealed itself to be undemocratic and un-American.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Social science will reveal that as the Republican Party became increasingly conservative, building a base with the religious right, it became the authoritarian party. That authoritarianism revealed itself to be undemocratic and un-American.
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Sorry Mister Nostradamus, but the Republican Party has become increasingly Progressive and therefor catching up with the cloaked but still evident authoritarianism of Progressives. This current hiccup in the trend toward Republican Progressivism has been a small retreat back to the original conservatism of the earlier supporters of our founding principles--the conservation of individual liberty against the intrusive power of the Federal Government.

And the "religious right" is openly very much against the Progressive notion of an unimpeded central government. And very much for a return of federally stolen power back to the states--the original conservatism of power being held mostly by the people and their communities, not by some distant all powerful central government.

As for "social science" revealing who is authoritarian, you appear to view social science as some unified authority. Actually, social scientists are diverse in fields of study and in political persuasion which has historically changed from time to time. Economists certainly don't represent some monolithic view on what is authoritarian and which party represents that. Same for historians. Sociologists may not even think about the differences between the parties on authoritarian lines, rather, academics, and workers in the field such as social workers, may fundamentally view government as necessarily being authoritarian in order to impose what they consider necessary for social cohesion and what social experts recommend for their notion of social progress. Which is what you have admitted that you believe.

No doubt, the unabated Progressive pedagogy in our educational institutions will more and more tip the scale in the classrooms from any existing remnants of original conservatism in the social sciences toward authoritarian Progressivism in the minds and souls of future social scientists. And you may be making a distinction between "good" and "bad" authoritarianism. For you the emphasis on individual freedom at the expense of government power to do what you think is good is a bad sort of authoritarianism--the authority of the selfish individual eclipsing the power of government to dictate what is good.

As of today and the near past, there are many economists and historians who view Progressives as the greater authoritarians. You have admitted that government must be authoritarian in order to pass Progressive legislation. Which is admitting that Progressives are authoritarian.

So if Republicans become THE AUTHORITARIAN PARTY when they finally succeed in becoming bona fide Progressive Republicans, their undemocratic and un-American "good" authoritarianism should make you happy.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Social science will reveal that as the Republican Party became increasingly conservative, building a base with the religious right, it became the authoritarian party. That authoritarianism revealed itself to be undemocratic and un-American.
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the party that wants smaller federal government reach, less federal intrusion, the party that wants to give people more liberty and choice, is the authoritarian party.

That’s just brilliant Pete. You have a dazzling intellect.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the party that wants smaller federal government reach, less federal intrusion, the party that wants to give people more liberty and choice, is the authoritarian party.

That’s just brilliant Pete. You have a dazzling intellect.
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Trying to overthrow the government, banning the teaching of history, banning books, these things are not “conservative”, they are truly radical
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the party that wants smaller federal government reach, less federal intrusion, the party that wants to give people more liberty and choice, is the authoritarian party.

That’s just brilliant Pete. You have a dazzling intellect.
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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the (Republican) party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Guess who
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trying to overthrow the government, banning the teaching of history, banning books, these things are not “conservative”, they are truly radical
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when leftists act this way you dummies call it democracy

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the (Republican) party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Guess who
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hillary was a goldwater girl....ssssooooooo

[Pete F.]

Jonathan Last on The GOP Is an Authoritarian Regime

(1) This unanimously-approved censure document has to be viewed in conjunction with the RNC’s 2020 platform.

You will recall that in 2020, the RNC declined to create a platform.

Instead, the RNC passed a 1-page resolution which concluded that the party stood for . . . literally whatever Donald Trump wanted:

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda.

That was the party platform.

This inverted the traditional relationship between a president and his party. Historically, the party had a bunch of ideas and the president was their elected champion, the guy who would support the party and carry its banner forth.

Trump switched it so that the president was his own state and the party existed purely to support him in the perpetuation of his power.

Now put the RNC platform’s pledge of fealty to Trump next to the unanimous censure of Cheney and Kinzinger and what you see looks more like juche than anything we’re used to in the history of American political institutions.

(2) Buried in the censure of Cheney and Kinzinger is a revealing phrase:

. . . they are both using their past professed political affiliation . . .

“Professed.”

This isn’t a stray word. It’s an assertion that Cheney and Kinzinger were never real Republicans—that they were impostors the whole time, whose actions over the past year represented not a break in behavior but a revelation of their true selves.

This is Stalinist. Like, literally. There’s simply no other way to read it.

And it is extraordinary in American politics.

It is nice that a handful of elected Republicans are pushing back against this censure document. But I do not understand—and I mean this, genuinely—how someone could remain in the GOP. It is not a political party in any meaningful sense. It is an authoritarian machine.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trying to overthrow the government, banning the teaching of history, banning books, these things are not “conservative”, they are truly radical
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trump is one guy. he’s not “the republican party”

pete, biden is a pathological
liar, he obviously sold
influence to profit his son, a plagiarist, said republicans want to put blacks in chains, a weird woman sniffer with a rape allegation against him.

are you responsible
for that? are all democrats? do you get painted with biden’s personal
flaws?

this is what people
do, when they don’t want to talk about policy.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Banning books,
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books such as the one showing young boys blowing each other. not banning them entirely, just from public schools.

but when the left forces christian businesses out of business because they won’t participate in gay weddings, that’s not authoritarian. trying to shut down joe rogan, firing Gina Carano, etc…

unbelievable.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

books such as the one showing young boys blowing each other. not banning them entirely, just from public schools.

but when the left forces christian businesses out of business because they won’t participate in gay weddings, that’s not authoritarian. trying to shut down joe rogan, firing Gina Carano, etc…

unbelievable.
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the left loves banning and burning stuff.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

the left loves banning and burning stuff.....

when maine waters goes on tv and tells democrats rats to hound
members of trump’s cabinet to “let them know they aren’t welcome anywhere, anytime” is that authoritarian?

when AOC tells Schumer to “make life as difficult as possible” for Manchin and Sinema, is that authoritarian?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trump is one guy. he’s not “the republican party”

pete, biden is a pathological
liar, he obviously sold
influence to profit his son, a plagiarist, said republicans want to put blacks in chains, a weird woman sniffer with a rape allegation against him.

are you responsible
for that? are all democrats? do you get painted with biden’s personal
flaws?

this is what people
do, when they don’t want to talk about policy.
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You will recall that in 2020, the RNC declined to create a platform.

Instead, the RNC passed a 1-page resolution which concluded that the party stood for . . . literally whatever Donald Trump wanted:
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

when maine waters goes on tv and tells democrats rats to hound
members of trump’s cabinet to “let them know they aren’t welcome anywhere, anytime” is that authoritarian?

when AOC tells Schumer to “make life as difficult as possible” for Manchin and Sinema, is that authoritarian?
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They censure Liz Cheney, one of the most conservative members of Congress,

But won’t censure a corrupt, sexual predator, disgraced twice impeached former president Trump.

Tells you everything you need to about today’s GOP.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

They censure Liz Cheney, one of the most conservative members of Congress,


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don't worry, if she opposes something you like or runs for president...you will trash her

[Pete F.]

CPAC is holding their conference n Hungary , an authoritarian regime under the thumb of Putin tells you the conservative Republican Party no longer exist . It’s no longer a matter of policy differences
For Republicans it’s a matter of changing our democracy to a different governance
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[wdmso]

Reporters barred from Gorsuch’s appearance at Orlando Federalist Society conference


So let me get this correct a SCJ is willing to speak at an event where his speech is not allowed to be Heard by the Press?

and we have another whose Wife is knee deep in Jan6th and other cases in front of the court and he refuses to recuse himself

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trump is one guy. he’s not “the republican party”

clearly you're not paying attention and live in a fantasy



this is what people
do, when they don’t want to talk about policy. Jim republicans A the only policy they talk about is Abortion and Taxes they pass even less
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Give it up the republican BASE the RNC have sold their souls to Trump and his Lies you can't escape it you can't have it both ways Hate trump but love his Policies... But keep trying

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Give it up the republican BASE the RNC have sold their souls to Trump and his Lies you can't escape it you can't have it both ways Hate trump but love his Policies... But keep trying

trump is more than one person?

there are tens of millions of republicans. a group that large has some awful, awful people
in it.

do the actions of the BLM rioters who killed people, say anything about you Wayne?

you believe in Biden’s policies. that doesn’t mean you approve of every single thing he does.

Well, actually in your case, it does mean exactly that

But for everyone else, supporting a persons policies, isn’t the same as supporting how he lives his life

Bill Clinton is a gigantic hero on the left. And he’s absolutely repugnant. And i say he was a good president by the way. but a rotten, disgusting human being.

Most people on the right like trump’s
policies, not his ethics.

And according to the Gallup poll, it wasn’t just people on the right who liked his policies.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Give it up the republican BASE the RNC have sold their souls to Trump and his Lies you can't escape it you can't have it both ways Hate trump but love his Policies... But keep trying

you’re saying one cannot like trumps policies but dislike him personally?

you’re insane.

58% of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, an all time record. and that was during a pandemic. That was an alltime record. an all tome record, is not an ambiguous result.

how do you explain that poll? enjoy’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/4747228002

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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how do you explain that poll? enjoy’


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most Americans are stupid and don't know what's best for them and their their families so they need leftist ideologues and institutions to direct their lives and raise their kids for them

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

most Americans are stupid and don't know what's best for them and their their families so they need leftist ideologues and institutions to direct their lives and raise their kids for them

i’d honestly like
to see if that’s how he responds.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

most Americans are stupid and don't know what's best for them and their their families so they need leftist ideologues and institutions to direct their lives and raise their kids for them

also remember he was quite impressed by his poll that showed a “full” 51% agreed with him.
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