Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a biological fact

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Either you didn't watch the video, or your a bit dense, or you will dismiss, mock, suppress and destroy anything that weakens your narrative rather than debating it or even discussing it.

What is to discuss, I wouldn’t watch it because he lacks the credentials or experience to suggest he knows how to handle this. Sorry I will go with the 70 old who has spent his entire life becoming an expert on this very pandemic. His thoughtful science based commentary and advise is exactly why Trump mocks and shames him, it’s really embarrassing to watch our president go after the one guy we should all be listening to.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

What is to discuss, I wouldn’t watch it because he lacks the credentials or experience to suggest he knows how to handle this. Sorry I will go with the 70 old who has spent his entire life becoming an expert on this very pandemic. His thoughtful science based commentary and advise is exactly why Trump mocks and shames him, it’s really embarrassing to watch our president go after the one guy we should all be listening to.

He is one of the advisers. There is no point in having a group of advisers who all have the same credentials and say the same thing. He has credentials in other areas that need attention paid to. The effect of prolonged lockdowns also includes related deaths and long time health concerns as well as the destruction of the economy and the worse the destruction the longer the recovery so the greater stress and deaths and mental and physical health dangers and loss of livelihoods. Video discusses a lot of this stuff, most of which the media pays little attention to and some that only "experts" would even know about.

All factors considered there could actually be more related deaths and destruction from overdone lockdowns than the number of deaths supposedly lowered by focusing strictly on containing the virus as much as possible.

But why learn about necessary considerations when you have an old expert with credentials who has changed his position on things like masks and contagiousness, among others.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He is one of the advisers. There is no point in having a group of advisers who all have the same credentials and say the same thing. He has credentials in other areas that need attention paid to. The effect of prolonged lockdowns also includes related deaths and long time health concerns as well as the destruction of the economy and the worse the destruction the longer the recovery so the greater stress and deaths and mental and physical health dangers and loss of livelihoods. Video discusses a lot of this stuff, most of which the media pays little attention to and some that only "experts" would even know about.

All factors considered there could actually be more related deaths and destruction from overdone lockdowns than the number of deaths supposedly lowered by focusing strictly on containing the virus as much as possible.

But why learn about necessary considerations when you have an old expert with credentials who has changed his position on things like masks and contagiousness, among others.

He always gets the best advisors like the my pillow guy.

[Pete F.]

We live in a country where a 79-year-old scientist and doctor who has dedicated 36 years of his life to understanding and stopping infectious disease, now needs armed federal security because his life is threatened for telling the truth about a pandemic. Vote Tweety out!
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We live in a country where a 79-year-old scientist and doctor who has dedicated 36 years of his life to understanding and stopping infectious disease, now needs armed federal security because his life is threatened for telling the truth about a pandemic. Vote Tweety out!

There's a lot of folks on both "sides" that require armed security because of what they've said or what their position is. This is an idiotic reason to vote for Biden or Trump.

[Pete F.]

The Stable Genius has chosen to go to war with the idea of testing, with Dr. Anthony Fauci and with “experts” in general at precisely the moment when the fall wave they’ve been warning about seems to be showing up — which is also the moment when the two-thirds of Americans who describe themselves as “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the virus will be going to the polls.
But you think everyone should ignore that and vote for him
Blah, blah, blah
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Stable Genius has chosen to go to war with the idea of testing, with Dr. Anthony Fauci and with “experts” in general at precisely the moment when the fall wave they’ve been warning about seems to be showing up — which is also the moment when the two-thirds of Americans who describe themselves as “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the virus will be going to the polls.
But you think everyone should ignore that and vote for him
Blah, blah, blah

If you're responding to me, which I might assume since this follows my post and ends sarcastically with my sort of signature blah, blah, blah, you've picked the wrong one to respond to. But I do understand that you don't really pay attention or give any credence to what I say. But I'll say it again. IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUMP FOR ME. I don't care about Trump or Biden except insofar as they will be the executive of the party I want to win and the one I want to lose. IT COULD BE ANY PAIR OF REPUB OR DEM CANDIDATES AND I WOULD STILL VOTE THE SAME WAY. IT IS ABOUT THE PARTY AGENDAS!!!!!!

The Progressive agenda is an absolute no no for me. If Jesus was running on the Progressive ticket vs any Republican, I would vote for the Republican.

I don't give a rat's azz about some disagreement Trump has with Fauci. Or any of the other chicken chit anti-Trump factoids you want to pile on to the forum.

And I already voted.

[Pete F.]

So you’d vote for him if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, if the death toll was a million or he was owned by our adversaries.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So you’d vote for him if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, if the death toll was a million or he was owned by our adversaries.

Depends on why he shot someone. If it was a crime, he wouldn't be eligible. Unlike you, I don't think He is responsible for the coronavirus deaths. If he was convicted of being owned by our adversaries, he would not be the candidate.

Question for you since your interested in hypotheticals, if the emails are legit, would you vote for Biden?

[Pete F.]

Leaked reports show the White House has known for more than a month that COVID-19 is surging as Trump has downplayed the crisis.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Most Americans think there should be a federally coordinated response, because just like interstate commerce the virus is not required to pay attention to state laws

I had passed over this because it seemed silly. Of course, there was and is a federal response. But it is not supposed to override the states' responsibilities. At this point, most of the responsibility for handling covid rests with the states. You keep wanting the federal government to usurp the states' authority. I doubt if you think states are even necessary. Like the Constitution, they just get in the way of the central government being in total "coordinated" control.

You even seem to apply that notion to the Interstate Commerce Clause. Progressives would agree with you. They're the ones who transformed that clause from the limited federal power that is specifically expressed in the constitutional text into one which gives the Federal government nearly unlimited power. The Progressive "interpretation" of that clause and the Welfare Clause basically makes the rest of the Constitution an unnecessary waste of words. The "loose" and "elastic" Progressive interpretation of those clauses Just about gives the federal government total control of the country.

Contrary to what you say, interstate commerce does have to pay attention to state laws. The only thing the Commerce Clause was supposed to do was create a regularity in commerce between the states. Under the Articles of Confederation, the states economically warred with each other--imposed tarifs and made it more difficult and cumbersome with regulations on commerce from other states that competed with that in their own state. The ICC clause was made simply to stop interstate commerce wars. Otherwise, interstate commerce still must obey the same state laws that apply to all commerce in the states they visit.

[Pete F.]

Trump's prepared texts warn that Biden is a radical who will make various extreme and destructive changes to people's lives.

Ad-libbing Trump warns that Biden is so boring that if Biden wins, "nobody's gonna be interested in politics anymore."

Must be Biden will just put everyone to sleep and then become a midnight radical and you’ll wake up in.........
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Must be Biden will just put everyone to sleep and then become a midnight radical and you’ll wake up in.........
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biden only works an hour or two a week

[Pete F.]

Biden has the support of more than 200 retired admirals and generals, including at least 22 four-stars. The latest to support him is Adm. Bill McRaven, former SOCOM commander.

Trump does not have the endorsement of a single four-star flag officer.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden has the support of more than 200 retired admirals and generals

Russian or Chinese?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

Russian or Chinese?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden has the support of more than 200 retired admirals and generals, including at least 22 four-stars. The latest to support him is Adm. Bill McRaven, former SOCOM commander.

Trump does not have the endorsement of a single four-star flag officer.
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Originally Posted by scottw

Russian or Chinese?
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The person with ties to Russia and China is sitting in the White House

Nearly 300 more former national security officials have signed onto a letter endorsing Democratic candidate Joe Biden for president.

The 291 new signatures announced Tuesday join 489 national security leaders who previously endorsed former Vice President Biden as having “the character, principles, wisdom and leadership necessary to address a world on fire.”

The new signatories include some officials who served under President Trump, such as retired Army Maj. Gen. Craig Whelden, who served as executive director of Marine Corps Forces Pacific until 2019 after retiring from active duty in 2009, and Anita Friedt, a career State Department official who started during the Reagan administration, worked on arms control during the Obama administration and stayed under Trump until 2019.

Also new on the letter is retired Lt. Col. Alfred Rascon, who was awarded the Medal of Honor in 2000 for heroic actions during the Vietnam War.

“Our nation is in crisis and, in times of crisis, those who have served this nation feel duty-bound to serve it once again,” Rascon said in a statement. “In just 10 months of COVID-19, we have lost more than three times as many Americans as died in two decades of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, with numbers still rising and no plan in place to combat the spread.

“This comes against a backdrop of a president who blames Gold Star families for his contracting the virus and, in the words of his own former secretary of Defense, does not even pretend to try to unify us as a country,” Rascon added. “He sees service members as props, not people. Joe Biden has the wisdom and decency needed to heal a fractured nation, so we enthusiastically support him.”

Trump has suggested he may have caught the coronavirus from Gold Star families. He hosted the families at the White House the day after an event for which several of those who attended later tested positive for the virus. None of the Gold Star families are known to have tested positive.

Former Defense Secretary James Mattis, who has not endorsed a candidate, broke his silence about Trump over the summer to criticize him as “the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try.”

The new signatures on the endorsement letter also include former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge (R), who served as the first Homeland Security secretary under George W. Bush and previously announced he was voting for Biden.

The new endorsements also add 81 retired general and flag officers, bringing the total number to 284 retired officers on the letter. The first batch of signatures on the letter made headlines for including former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Paul Selva and former Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Paul Zukunft, both of whom served under Trump.

“The initial release of the letter was a clarion call to so many patriotic Americans who believed they must do their part to elect Joe Biden,” Michael Smith, executive director of National Security Leaders for Biden, the group that organized the letter, said in a statement. “It is no secret that our nation is in turmoil. We believe Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will help truly unite the United States and navigate this nation through this troubled time.”

https://www.nationalsecurityleaders4biden.com/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Russian or Chinese?
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That was good.

[Pete F.]

We know where your allegiance lies

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We know where your allegiance lies

You've been humiliated in this thread pretty good, both by others and by yourself. Isn't it about time you call my mom a hooker?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You've been humiliated in this thread pretty good, both by others and by yourself. Isn't it about time you call my mom a hooker?

Oh, I've been humiliated?

Everyone else is trying to guess as to whether you’re 1) a Russian bot, 2) a Russian troll, or just one of the morons swayed by Russian propaganda (either directly or via State TV - i.e. Fox News)

You better send your hero some money because one revealing fact of this moment with Trump's campaign cash is the fact that he still hasn't cut his campaign a check, as he's suggested he might do if he needed it. He clearly needs it, but no check.
I'm sure it will be as sound an investment as Trump University

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Oh, I've been humiliated?

Everyone else is trying to guess as to whether you’re 1) a Russian bot, 2) a Russian troll, or just one of the morons swayed by Russian propaganda (either directly or via State TV - i.e. Fox News)

You better send your hero some money because one revealing fact of this moment with Trump's campaign cash is the fact that he still hasn't cut his campaign a check, as he's suggested he might do if he needed it. He clearly needs it, but no check.
I'm sure it will be as sound an investment as Trump University

"Oh, I've been humiliated?"

Yes, as well as humiliated yourself, don't leave that out.

"Everyone else is trying to guess as to whether you’re 1) a Russian bot, 2) a Russian troll, or just one of the morons swayed by Russian propaganda"

See above bout humiliating yourself.

Yes, because I can praise or criticize both sides, that's precisely what everyone is wondering.

"I'm sure it will be as sound an investment as Trump University"

Fair to criticize him for that scam.

Pete, what do you think as of now, about Hunter's emails and Joes dealings described therein? All a Russian hoax (ne evidence of that)? Or do you concede it probably happened (the Biden campaign isn't denying it) but you don't think it's a big deal?

[Pete F.]

As a swamp supporter you need to pay attention to the things the projector in Chief is doing and has done.
Once again he’s accusing others of his crimes.
The leader of the Crybaby Conservatism Movement

President Trump’s tax records reveal that he spent years pursuing business projects in China and even has a Chinese bank account

Elliott Broidy, a longtime GOP and Trump fundraiser, yesterday pleaded guilty to recent criminal charges that accused him of violating foreign lobbying laws by illegally lobbying the Trump administration to drop its investigation into the Malaysian 1MDB corruption scandal.

The parents of 545 migrant children, who were separated under a 2017 Trump administration pilot program, cannot be found, with over two-thirds of the 1,000-plus parents being deported to Central America without their children before a federal judge had chance to order the parents be found

The White House, particularly Meadows, is pressuring the Pentagon to lease its “mid-band spectrum” to 5G company Rivada Networks, a move that if approved would be “the biggest handoff of economic power to a single entity in history,” senior officials from multiple departments and agencies have warned. The Trump administration is pressuring the Pentagon to fast track Rivada’s “Request for Proposal,” skipping a competitive bidding process; the pressure has been firmly applied since September, and Meadows has reportedly been assisted in his pressure campaign by an unnamed top financial management official in the U.S. Army.

300,000 dead
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As a swamp supporter you need to pay attention to the things the projector in Chief is doing and has done.
Once again he’s accusing others of his crimes.
The leader of the Crybaby Conservatism Movement

President Trump’s tax records reveal that he spent years pursuing business projects in China and even has a Chinese bank account

Elliott Broidy, a longtime GOP and Trump fundraiser, yesterday pleaded guilty to recent criminal charges that accused him of violating foreign lobbying laws by illegally lobbying the Trump administration to drop its investigation into the Malaysian 1MDB corruption scandal.

The parents of 545 migrant children, who were separated under a 2017 Trump administration pilot program, cannot be found, with over two-thirds of the 1,000-plus parents being deported to Central America without their children before a federal judge had chance to order the parents be found

The White House, particularly Meadows, is pressuring the Pentagon to lease its “mid-band spectrum” to 5G company Rivada Networks, a move that if approved would be “the biggest handoff of economic power to a single entity in history,” senior officials from multiple departments and agencies have warned. The Trump administration is pressuring the Pentagon to fast track Rivada’s “Request for Proposal,” skipping a competitive bidding process; the pressure has been firmly applied since September, and Meadows has reportedly been assisted in his pressure campaign by an unnamed top financial management official in the U.S. Army.

300,000 dead
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"Once again he’s accusing others of his crimes."

Aren't you guys all guilty of the same exact hypocrisy? You're criticizing Trump for profiting from his influence, but you put your fingers in your ears at any mention that Biden did the same exact thing.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Once again he’s accusing others of his crimes."

Aren't you guys all guilty of the same exact hypocrisy? You're criticizing Trump for profiting from his influence, but you put your fingers in your ears at any mention that Biden did the same exact thing.

Here we go again with .lies and deflections. Truth facts and evidence, are not required .. for a Trump Loyalist like your self ... see the big picture picture has always been problematic for the Trump cult

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

... see the big picture picture has always been problematic for the Trump cult

see jim....wayne is smarted than you because he sees "the big picture"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Here we go again with .lies and deflections. Truth facts and evidence, are not required .. for a Trump Loyalist like your self ... see the big picture picture has always been problematic for the Trump cult

Are you willing to consider the possibility that Joe used his influence to enrich his son?

Who is deflecting? I am the one whos asking that everyone be held to the same standard...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are you willing to consider the possibility that Joe used his influence to enrich his son?

Based on what Rudy says????????


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[Pete F.]

If Borat was able to compromise Rudy, imagine what a trained intelligence officer could do.
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[Got Stripers]

Is Hunter running for President what did I miss?