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03-21-2018, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
didn't Obama congratulate Putin?...never mind...I'm sure that was completely different
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Don't forget when Obama congratulated the Islamic brotherhood candidate when winning Egypts' Presidential election in 2012, in 2013 the winner in Iran and 2014 in Turkey.
Same difference
Maybe people did not like that and kept quiet, then spoke with their votes. But I am sure there was a lot more to it as well all know better.  |
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03-21-2018, 01:35 PM
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I would think that Russia has been more of a “Bad actor” since 2012
Ukraine
Syria
Britain
I’m sure Tom Cotton has a list
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03-21-2018, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I would think that Russia has been more of a “Bad actor” since 2012
Ukraine
Syria
Britain
I’m sure Tom Cotton has a list
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Disagree - other than a few years from 1992-2006 they have been pretty much the same for a few hundred years. |
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03-21-2018, 03:10 PM
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#154
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Disagree - other than a few years from 1992-2006 they have been pretty much the same for a few hundred years.
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i would disagree with that.
Russia under Gorbachev was on a path to reform, growth and freedom. He realized that you cannot just change a government from state run to capitalism and democracy easily. He lost out to the nationalists just like is happening here. |
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03-21-2018, 03:13 PM
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#155
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
i would disagree with that.
Russia under Gorbachev was on a path to reform, growth and freedom. He realized that you cannot just change a government from state run to capitalism and democracy easily. He lost out to the nationalists just like is happening here.
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Haha - I can at least agree with the Gorby part - so 1985-2006 ; ) |
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03-21-2018, 03:59 PM
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#156
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I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing..
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.....They can help solve problems with North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, ISIS, Iran and even the coming Arms Race. Bush tried to get along, but didn’t have the “smarts.” Obama and Clinton tried, but didn’t have the energy or chemistry (remember RESET). PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!
I guess he still hasn't accepted they attacked us had agents on the Ground used nerve agent on our longest allied ... and his and his supporters defense is Obama did it LOL
if Obama would have called Putin under the exact circumstances your heads would have exploded ..
even fox wasn't supporting him http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...an-leader.html
on breitbart same topic their lead
deep-state-officials-leak-dissent-president-donald-trump-congratulates-putin/ |
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03-21-2018, 04:26 PM
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#157
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Originally Posted by spence
His comment was about Nix so why are you conflating Obama and Trump. That's quite slimy and pretty dishonest.
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Different. |
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03-21-2018, 05:44 PM
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#158
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I blame this whole uproar about Trump having notes saying don't congratulate Putin on the stupid aide who wrote the note. That aide should be fired. They should have just wrote it on his hand in marker like Palin did.
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03-21-2018, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Slipknot
Don't forget when Obama congratulated the Islamic brotherhood candidate when winning Egypts' Presidential election in 2012, in 2013 the winner in Iran and 2014 in Turkey.
Same difference
Maybe people did not like that and kept quiet, then spoke with their votes. But I am sure there was a lot more to it as well all know better. |
Morsi won the first democratic election ever in Egypt. He promoted democracy. Obama congratulated him on what was widely consider a fair and legitimate democratic election.The party does have Muslim in the name which scares people, but they are more of a problem to Sunnis than they are for the US. I know he got tossed, but before that Tillerson made it clear that the brotherhood did not deserve to be lumped in with terrorist organizations.
Rouhani is a reformist. The Ayatollah s probably like him less than the us.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-22-2018, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Morsi won the first democratic election ever in Egypt. He promoted democracy. Obama congratulated him on what was widely consider a fair and legitimate democratic election.The party does have Muslim in the name which scares people, but they are more of a problem to Sunnis than they are for the US. I know he got tossed, but before that Tillerson made it clear that the brotherhood did not deserve to be lumped in with terrorist organizations.
Rouhani is a reformist. The Ayatollah s probably like him less than the us.
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Muslim Brotherhood is not more of a problem for Sunnis - well other than they tend to be Sunni and make Sunnis do dumb things. They are pretty much a threat to most people as well as a brake on progress in the region.
Sure they are not all bad guys like they are good people and bad people in Hamas, not everyone in Sinn Fein was an IRA terrorist Bomber, and Hamas has a few Girl Scouts too.
Where do you get your info??
Iran, Ayotollah, like US, really? |
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03-22-2018, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Where do you get your info??
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"Left wing extremism has been pretty unusual post Vietnam era."ZIMMY 
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03-22-2018, 06:46 AM
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#162
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03-22-2018, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
"Left wing extremism has been pretty unusual post Vietnam era."ZIMMY |
Still has a ways to go to catch up with the right
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/53325...iolence-rising
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03-22-2018, 07:39 AM
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Again, neither is acceptable. Full Stop. |
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03-22-2018, 08:03 AM
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I looked at the data that the article is using and zim cites and apparently left wing extremism and violence doesn't even exist.....sooo...yeah...that works...
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03-22-2018, 08:26 AM
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I looked at the data that the article is using and zim cites and apparently left wing extremism and violence doesn't even exist.....sooo...yeah...that works...
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Then you didn't read it, or are making the assumption that moderate extremists are responsible for 26%
"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says. |
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03-22-2018, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Then you didn't read it, or are making the assumption that moderate extremists are responsible for 26%
"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
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"moderate extremists"
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03-22-2018, 08:38 AM
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Muslim Brotherhood is not more of a problem for Sunnis - well other than they tend to be Sunni and make Sunnis do dumb things. They are pretty much a threat to most people as well as a brake on progress in the region.
Sure they are not all bad guys like they are good people and bad people in Hamas, not everyone in Sinn Fein was an IRA terrorist Bomber, and Hamas has a few Girl Scouts too.
Where do you get your info??
Iran, Ayotollah, like US, really?
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Typing on a phone at 11 pm didn't help. MB mostly a problem for the Shiites. At the time of morsi's election, it was a move toward Western democracy, ya know, the thing bush said would sweep the middle East.
Rohani is a reformist. Ayatollahs tend to be way more conservative and fundamentalist. The US would prefer Iran move the direction rohani would take Iran than the ayatollahs.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-22-2018, 08:46 AM
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"Left wing extremism has been pretty unusual post Vietnam era."ZIMMY |
You must be 5'6" tall max, right? It comes across in your posts.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-22-2018, 09:04 AM
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You must be 5'6" tall max, right? It comes across in your posts.
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5'11" 180lb.... what's your point?  is this more Libonics? |
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03-22-2018, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Ayatollahs tend to be way more conservative and fundamentalist.
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Ya Think  |
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03-22-2018, 09:45 AM
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you must be 5'2" tall max... |
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03-22-2018, 09:50 AM
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5'11" 180lb.... what's your point? is this more Libonics? |
You just act like someone with a complex.  |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-22-2018, 09:52 AM
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Ya Think |
More conservative and fundamentalist than Rohani, who is the president  |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-22-2018, 09:58 AM
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You just act like someone with a complex. |
it's possible  |
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03-22-2018, 10:15 AM
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you must be 5'2" tall max...
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5'11" 225
But I'm Irish, so I guess I need to buy an expensive car or a big truck.
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03-22-2018, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Nix claims that for Trump
I didn’t realize he was involved in the Obama campaign, is that what you are insinuating?
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I was using a bit of dark sarc in response to your insinuating that we should worry about Trump being a puppet: "The reporter asks if that means the candidate [Trump] is just a puppet, and Nix replies simply: 'Always.'" And you say: "I wouldn’t let this worry me"
My comparison of Obama with Trump being puppets, was, for me, ironic. It has nothing to do with Nix or the data mining from Face Book. Nor did I understand your "worry" to be limited to the Nix business, but about Trump's whole Presidency.
The whole Face Book scandal is being manufactured to somehow hurt Trump. We're supposed to believe that because Obama was allowed and aided by Face Book "rules," and Specifically so by Zuckerberg who opened the door and spread the welcome carpet, to mine, that was all OK. But because some supposed new rules just before Trump's team did it, and may have been instituted to tighten up access to Face Book data, that it was more immoral for Trump's team to do it. And we're also supposed to believe, by some innuendo (again) that there is Russian "collusion" also in the mix with Trump.
My sardonic comparison was inspired not because of the Facebook stuff, but because I always considered Obama to be a puppet.
Always so from the moment he became the Democrat candidate until he finished his term. I think he is a puppet of the Progressive party and its complicit media. He was an extremely useful tool as a racial groundbreaker in the history of the presidency. He is supposedly a good orator. And, as Biden said, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man." Other than that, what did he have? What exceptional experience, what accomplishments? Not to mention his known, but not highlighted by the complicit media, deep ties to leftist Marxist friends and family.
And if both Obama and Trump are puppets, I consider Obama more so.
But if Trump is a puppet, who's pulling the strings?
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03-22-2018, 11:00 AM
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5'11" 225
But I'm Irish, so I guess I need to buy an expensive car or a big truck.
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now THAT sounds like a complex...  |
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03-22-2018, 11:07 AM
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5'11" 225
But I'm Irish, so I guess I need to buy an expensive car or a big truck.
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You could just hang a pair of those rubber neuticles from your Malibu.  |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-22-2018, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
But if Trump is a puppet, who's pulling the strings?
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If you go by his tweets, FOX
By his behavior, perhaps he's channeling Suleiman 1 the Magnificent
By his politics, I would definitely say it is "paradoxical thinking" |
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