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Old 08-27-2013, 09:01 PM   #1
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Question How do you get a popper out 80+ yards from shore?

Okay, so i'm new so beach/surf casting and I was wondering how to get a topwater popper out to where the fish are. Any rigs/suggestions/help would be appreciated
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:10 PM   #2
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Okay, so i'm new so beach/surf casting and I was wondering how to get a topwater popper out to where the fish are. Any rigs/suggestions/help would be appreciated
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:16 PM   #3
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I mean it has a lot to do with how you cast. Then add gear into the equation. But technique has to be there first. Tossing a one oz popper on a rod rated for 3 - 8 more than likely wont load the rod properly unless your technique is correct.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:20 PM   #4
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You need to make sure your rod, reel, and lure are matched up to get you the distance you are looking for. The rod should be 9 foot or longer and be rated to throw the weight of your popper easily. You need to match them in order to load up the rod, which gives you the distance. Conversely, if you have a shorter, stiff boat rod, it will not give you the distance. And if the lure weight is less than the rod is rated for, it wont load the rod, and wont go very far. So, what is your current set up?
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:49 PM   #5
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How far you let your plug hang down from the tip mixed with line diameter and how your rod loads makes all the differnce. It is different for all rods and anglers.Only adjust one fearure at a time so you know when you have that feature tuned in.As you work each to it's best then you will start to feel the diff in your rod as it loads better.Go to the same place so you know how far the plug lands as you get things tuned in better.Dressed tail hook or undresed makes a difference. Treble or siwash,reel spool diameter and line all play a part.Rod length verses capability ie 10 to 25 lb, med to heavy all will play a part. as you practice with it you will feelthe difference and things will feel easier then all of a sudden you'll be doing it with little or no effort.80 yrds is very doable,100 is within reason and 120in time. Just remeber you will start to feel it in your cast as things come into balance.Practice with a plug you don't care if you loose or not. Beaters are good for this.Tech makes all the diff.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:53 PM   #6
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The Popper of my choice for that distance would be a SS. Li'l neck 2 3/8oz or the new heavy SS Li'l neck 2 3/4oz
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:28 PM   #7
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10-11 ft rod 30 lb braid any decent reel and a super strike popper. If you want a pencil go with left hook, guppy or an m&ds weighted. No real science. Use braid on a 10-11 ft rod with a plug that's built to cast far. Don't pay attention to rod loads, capacities, hooks, tapers dressed or undressed. Keep it simple and use braid. The above mentioned plugs could be had almost anywhere (online or by calling if your not from around) and will make a huge difference on how far you will cast.
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:06 AM   #8
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80 yards ? ... No problem.
You have to load the rod and timing is everything with the right gear.
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:23 AM   #9
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...and even if your rod is rated for a certain weight lure....most of them have a "Sweet" spot within that range.

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you attach it to a quad copter and fly it out there
push the red button to drop it
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:44 AM   #11
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You don't always have to be a champion distance caster.....the fish are almost always closer than you would think!

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Old 08-28-2013, 05:51 AM   #12
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remote boat, drive it out there and yank it off!!

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Old 08-28-2013, 06:06 AM   #13
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80 yards? I only load the rod half way, more of a lob type cast...I'm kidding, distance is nice when it's needed, but how accurate are you to your target line? Work on shorter mid range casts aiming at a specific target. Then you will get a feel for it and gradually power up.
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:37 AM   #14
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Welcome, Saltbernard.

Obviously you're new or you would not ask such an innocent question.
Fortunately, I have learned a great deal from this site over the years and can help you.

The best way to cast 100 yds is to lie about it. That works well for most of us. The main problem arises when the guy you are talking to can tell bigger lies. Now often you can get around that by using the "they were driving bait right onto the rocks" lie, which will render your friend sick with envy and self loathing for sleeping in and thereby missing an opportunity to catch you in your lie, but if that is not possible (usually because you also slept in) then the next best solution is to blame your equipment. This works because having the better equipment than everyone else is the main goal of surfcasting and your friend will gladly jump at the chance to confirm his superiority over you.

Despair not, however, since all is not lost. Having confirmed you need new equipment you are now fully justified in buying the most expensive available. Doing so will immediately add 10-20 yds to your lie and most certainly will shrink your buddy's gonads by three sizes which is clearly worth the expense.

Obviously your buddy will need to respond in kind, trying to trump you with something newer or even more expensive, resulting in a sort of equipment arms race that usually result in a stalemate when you both own the best available........in which case you can regain the upper hand by buying expensive surf bags.

Now being new to all this you might still be at the early stage where you harbor some delusions that successful surfcasters need to catch fish and that casting far is a prerequisite for doing so. Fear not, for with time you will outgrow such silliness, but in the meantime there is an invention that will work for you no matter how poor a caster and fisherman you are.........it is called an eel.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck out there.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:05 AM   #15
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:17 AM   #16
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Welcome, Saltbernard.

it is called an eel.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck out there.

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Old 08-28-2013, 08:05 AM   #17
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Gotta say Numbskulls post made me laugh... But seriously improving timing, location and lure choice, how accurate your casts are, how you work the plug and the actual process of landing a big fish in different conditions are all way more important than casting distance. Timing and location may dictate the need for an 80yrd cast, such as Canal plugging tides, but usually its not the case. All the info on balanced equipment and technique above are accurate if you still lust for that long cast.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:16 AM   #18
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rod specs along with matching to those specs is important. I can think of only a few times I've needed to crush a lure way out there, for the most part most of the fish I've caught have been in water no more than 10ft deep and usually within 20-30 ft from shore. Most times even closer. Look for rocks and rips and aim for those!

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Welcome, Saltbernard.

Obviously you're new or you would not ask such an innocent question.
Fortunately, I have learned a great deal from this site over the years and can help you.

The best way to cast 100 yds is to lie about it. That works well for most of us. The main problem arises when the guy you are talking to can tell bigger lies. Now often you can get around that by using the "they were driving bait right onto the rocks" lie, which will render your friend sick with envy and self loathing for sleeping in and thereby missing an opportunity to catch you in your lie, but if that is not possible (usually because you also slept in) then the next best solution is to blame your equipment. This works because having the better equipment than everyone else is the main goal of surfcasting and your friend will gladly jump at the chance to confirm his superiority over you.

Despair not, however, since all is not lost. Having confirmed you need new equipment you are now fully justified in buying the most expensive available. Doing so will immediately add 10-20 yds to your lie and most certainly will shrink your buddy's gonads by three sizes which is clearly worth the expense.

Obviously your buddy will need to respond in kind, trying to trump you with something newer or even more expensive, resulting in a sort of equipment arms race that usually result in a stalemate when you both own the best available........in which case you can regain the upper hand by buying expensive surf bags.

Now being new to all this you might still be at the early stage where you harbor some delusions that successful surfcasters need to catch fish and that casting far is a prerequisite for doing so. Fear not, for with time you will outgrow such silliness, but in the meantime there is an invention that will work for you no matter how poor a caster and fisherman you are.........it is called an eel.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck out there.
Or, you could just measure it cubits.

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Load your rod as much as you can and lay right into your cast...............as she's sailing about half-way out there......quickly close the bail. 80+ yards, no problemo.


Open plug bag, tie on another.

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Old 08-28-2013, 01:52 PM   #22
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Use the out going tide.
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Classic post from Numbscull!

The best thing to do if you want people to think you cast far is to have your friends go to the other side of the canal and then have them duck as if your lure is going to hit them right after you cast
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Load your rod as much as you can and lay right into your cast...............as she's sailing about half-way out there......quickly close the bail. 80+ yards, no problemo.


Open plug bag, tie on another.

Now that's funny!!

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You don't always have to be a champion distance caster.....the fish are almost always closer than you would think!
Think about it....how often do you get strikes right when the lure hits the water? The strikes usually come while you are working the lure back in.

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Go 2.5 OZ or more. Polaris styles usually cast further than straight sided Atom styles but Atom styles can cast that far. Use braid as mentioned. I think you need the longest rod you can handle. Now if you cannot handle a very long rod you will lose distance but as long as you can handle it , the longer the rod the longer the cast. I think 11 feet is optimum but I use 12 footers for that sort of distance need except when casting heavier jigs , then I use 10 or 11 footers.

Get the timing down. Timing will get you more distance improvement than casting harder. Learn to use a rather long casting tail , at least 4 feet and 6 or more if you learn how.

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Think about it....how often do you get strikes right when the lure hits the water? The strikes usually come while you are working the lure back in.
This time of year and into Nov you see a lot of top water action along the beaches that is way out there. When they are hitting stuff 80 yards out you will often see strikes as soon as the popper hits the water. I have a rod specifically made for long casting fall lures like poppers and metal like needle eels and Kastmasters etc. to get out to that 120 to 150 yard range. In the fall you will often see Bonitos and Albies out that far and the striper and blue action can move from 30 yards to 130 yards in a matter of minutes. Anyway , I am a proponent of being able to cast far. You can always cast less than your furthest but you can never cast more than your furthest.

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Welcome, Saltbernard.

Obviously you're new or you would not ask such an innocent question.
Fortunately, I have learned a great deal from this site over the years and can help you.

The best way to cast 100 yds is to lie about it. That works well for most of us. The main problem arises when the guy you are talking to can tell bigger lies. Now often you can get around that by using the "they were driving bait right onto the rocks" lie, which will render your friend sick with envy and self loathing for sleeping in and thereby missing an opportunity to catch you in your lie, but if that is not possible (usually because you also slept in) then the next best solution is to blame your equipment. This works because having the better equipment than everyone else is the main goal of surfcasting and your friend will gladly jump at the chance to confirm his superiority over you.

Despair not, however, since all is not lost. Having confirmed you need new equipment you are now fully justified in buying the most expensive available. Doing so will immediately add 10-20 yds to your lie and most certainly will shrink your buddy's gonads by three sizes which is clearly worth the expense.

Obviously your buddy will need to respond in kind, trying to trump you with something newer or even more expensive, resulting in a sort of equipment arms race that usually result in a stalemate when you both own the best available........in which case you can regain the upper hand by buying expensive surf bags.

Now being new to all this you might still be at the early stage where you harbor some delusions that successful surfcasters need to catch fish and that casting far is a prerequisite for doing so. Fear not, for with time you will outgrow such silliness, but in the meantime there is an invention that will work for you no matter how poor a caster and fisherman you are.........it is called an eel.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck out there.
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Thanks everyone for posting I have gained a lot of knowledge and the question has been answered
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